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LeeHo

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Could anyone give me advice on the best way to proceed as I'm right at the beginning of this.

My background is UK citizen, 33 years old, native English, PhD in Physics from UK university, 4 years self-employed/freelance software developer since graduating, so would probably apply under "Developer Programmer". The points test I took gave me 75 points (25 for age, 20 for English, 20 for education, 10 for skilled employment). 

I'd also be willing to consider state sponsored and other visa.

Questions:

1) Given I've been working as a self-employed freelancer for the last 4 years with a variety of clients, would this still count as skilled employment? Would I have problems? Would I perhaps need to contact all my clients and get them to sign documents or some such?

2) Given I am born and raised in the UK and English is my native language, would I still need to have this officially certified with an assessment? 

3) I presume if I want to work as a Software Developer in Aus, then I should submit assessment through https://www.acs.org.au

4) Given my degrees are in Physics, not directly computing despite now working in it, would that be a problem?

5) Would I have a better chance of making this application through one of these immigration websites? (if so which?). Approximately what would the price difference be?

 

Thanks for any help

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1. It should be fine. But I don't know the exact info.

2. If you want the points you must sit the exam.

3. Yes

4. I am pretty sure you won't be able to claim points for this if you're getting an IT related assessment.

5. I would recommend an agent. I would recommend Peter from PT labs for IT related jobs. This is his specialist area.

 

 

You might want to double check the 20 points for education and 10 points for skilled job.

 

Your degree in physics doesn't related to IT so I don't think you can claim points on that.

 

For the 10 points for a skilled job (and for the ACS assessment) you will need a related qualification. Do you have one?

 

 

NB: You don't have to work in the same job in Australia as the one you migrate under. It might be worth seeing if you could migrate under your previous occupation.

 

 

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Thanks for the fast reply.

 

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2. If you want the points you must sit the exam.

So without the exam I'd just get "competent" English for the UK passport, else I'd need to sit IETLS or an alternative to get superior? 

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. I would recommend an agent. I would recommend Peter from PT labs for IT related jobs. This is his specialist area.
 

Thanks how much would this process typically cost with an agent? Just as a ballpark figure.

I am indeed quite worried that all my qualifications (Bsc, Mphys, Phd) are all in Physics, and whilst there was a component of programming taught and I gained a lot of experience writing software, it still wasn't formally a computing course. It might be better in fact if I applied under Physicist/Mathematician for the purposes of assessment despite not working now in those areas. At least then I would get the education points presumably, despite losing the years working points.

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Without the English exam you can't collect any points for English. You can do IETLS or others such as PTE. don't underestimate these exams. Many on here including myself struggled to get the top marks. Once you have got the required marks the certificate in the eyes of immigration is valid for 3 years. (Even though the PTE says it is only valid for 2).

 

It would cost at least a few thousand AUD for an agent. Worth it though. The application process is not easy, very complex and expensive if you make a mistake.

 

 

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Thanks, I guess I'd be willing to pay in the region of upto 4000aud. I would like to make sure I had a high chance of success before parting with that money however. 

I don't mind studying for and taking the IETLS or PTE if it's required.

I guess my main questions now are if my unusual route is going to eligible (physics - > freelance/self-employed software developer) to scoop enough points.

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I submitted an assessment to PT labs, so thanks for that 🙂

Another thing I should mention is that since I work as a freelancer, I'd be quite happy to relocate to Australia on a temporary/tourist visa over the next few months if that would help my case being physically there

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One other question. The ACS applications says: 

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Passport or Birth Certificate *
Attachments are required in PDF Format ONLY and must be certified copies of the original documents. Your PDF filename must match the "Attachment Type" name. Please consolidate all multipage files into one PDF for each attachment type. Maximum PDF file size is 3MB per PDF.

 

 

Does this mean I should scan my passport, print it then take it to a doctors or otherwise and have them stamp it, then scan that back in and create a PDF from it?

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8 hours ago, LeeHo said:

Could anyone give me advice on the best way to proceed as I'm right at the beginning of this.

My background is UK citizen, 33 years old, native English, PhD in Physics from UK university, 4 years self-employed/freelance software developer since graduating, so would probably apply under "Developer Programmer". The points test I took gave me 75 points (25 for age, 20 for English, 20 for education, 10 for skilled employment). 

I'd also be willing to consider state sponsored and other visa.

Questions:

1) Given I've been working as a self-employed freelancer for the last 4 years with a variety of clients, would this still count as skilled employment? Would I have problems? Would I perhaps need to contact all my clients and get them to sign documents or some such?

2) Given I am born and raised in the UK and English is my native language, would I still need to have this officially certified with an assessment? 

3) I presume if I want to work as a Software Developer in Aus, then I should submit assessment through https://www.acs.org.au

4) Given my degrees are in Physics, not directly computing despite now working in it, would that be a problem?

5) Would I have a better chance of making this application through one of these immigration websites? (if so which?). Approximately what would the price difference be?

 

Thanks for any help

Have a look at this:

https://www.acs.org.au/content/dam/acs/acs-skills/Skills Assessment Guidelines for Applicants - Feb 2018.pdf

and if you need professional help to sort it let me know.

 

 

 


Westly Russell Registered Migration Agent 0316072 www.pinoyau.com

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On 12/08/2018 at 03:04, LeeHo said:

Could anyone give me advice on the best way to proceed as I'm right at the beginning of this.

My background is UK citizen, 33 years old, native English, PhD in Physics from UK university, 4 years self-employed/freelance software developer since graduating, so would probably apply under "Developer Programmer". The points test I took gave me 75 points (25 for age, 20 for English, 20 for education, 10 for skilled employment). 

I'd also be willing to consider state sponsored and other visa.

Questions:

1) Given I've been working as a self-employed freelancer for the last 4 years with a variety of clients, would this still count as skilled employment? Would I have problems? Would I perhaps need to contact all my clients and get them to sign documents or some such?

It is not the freelance part which would be an issue. It is more likely the qualification being considered not highly relevant, which may be an issue in claiming "Skilled Employment" points.

On 12/08/2018 at 03:04, LeeHo said:

2) Given I am born and raised in the UK and English is my native language, would I still need to have this officially certified with an assessment? 

Only if you want to claim points for English, which you will need.

On 12/08/2018 at 03:04, LeeHo said:

3) I presume if I want to work as a Software Developer in Aus, then I should submit assessment through https://www.acs.org.au

What you want to work as in Australia is irrelevant. You need to use the correct assessing authority for the occupation you are nominating, as prescribed by the Regulations.

On 12/08/2018 at 03:04, LeeHo said:

4) Given my degrees are in Physics, not directly computing despite now working in it, would that be a problem?

If the qualifications are not highly relevant, you will need more years of employment experience, before they deem you skilled in the occupation. This is what will effect how many points you can claim for skilled employment.

On 12/08/2018 at 03:04, LeeHo said:

5) Would I have a better chance of making this application through one of these immigration websites? (if so which?). Approximately what would the price difference be?

A Registered Migration Agent will be able to assess your situation, plot a visa pathway and give you an idea of the likelihood of receiving an invitation to apply.

Price will vary depending on many factors, including experience.


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"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur."

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OK I'd be interested in talking to an agent to get some feedback if anyone could recommend a few reliable ones. 

 

It's very annoying that physics will likely be deemed not a relevant qualification to software, as so many physicists and mathematicians end up being highly sought after in that domain (often more so that comp Sci grads believe it or not). Sigh. 

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Also what if I just went to Australia on a tourist visa and landed a job in software. Would this help my chances at the independent visa or would I just remain on a visa tied to the job? 

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42 minutes ago, LeeHo said:

OK I'd be interested in talking to an agent to get some feedback if anyone could recommend a few reliable ones. 

 

It's very annoying that physics will likely be deemed not a relevant qualification to software, as so many physicists and mathematicians end up being highly sought after in that domain (often more so that comp Sci grads believe it or not). Sigh. 

Physics is not related to migration services either.

W. Russell

BA BSc PhD (QED) BEd


Westly Russell Registered Migration Agent 0316072 www.pinoyau.com

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So I guess my question is. Is it even worth spending money on this? How much would it cost me to get to EOI stage as a rough estimate? 

Would I have any better chance if I found a job in Australia first? 

Or are there any other avenues worth exploring like the state sponsored visa? Would my qualifications and work be enough for that? 

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And finally (sorry for all the questions) what if I got assessed by VETASS as a physicist or mathematician? Surely then my PhD would count?however I've not done more than 6months further work as a "physicist".... Would this road be worth exploring however. 

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So I guess my question is. Is it even worth spending money on this?

Probably not at this stage.

If you go to my website: pinoyau.com and use the contact form, I shall have a look at your case, if you wish.


Westly Russell Registered Migration Agent 0316072 www.pinoyau.com

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1 hour ago, LeeHo said:

OK I'd be interested in talking to an agent to get some feedback if anyone could recommend a few reliable ones. 

 

It's very annoying that physics will likely be deemed not a relevant qualification to software, as so many physicists and mathematicians end up being highly sought after in that domain (often more so that comp Sci grads believe it or not). Sigh. 

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Just now, wrussell said:

Probably not at this stage.

If you go to my website: pinoyau.com and use the contact form, I shall have a look at your case, if you wish.

OK, thanks I will

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Knowing what happens to the dynamical variables of a system under Poisson bracket multiplication will not help you.


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1 minute ago, wrussell said:

Knowing what happens to the dynamical variables of a system under Poisson bracket multiplication will not help you.

Hehe. Damn.. I was counting on questions on that in the assessment. I knew I should have been a sugar cane farmer... 

So do I have any options here? 

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7 minutes ago, wrussell said:

They form a group.

hmm but I've heard they are very anti-commuting whereas I'm desperate to commute to Australia 😜

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