UK economy slowing.

[bunbury61]

2 hours ago, Gbye grey sky said:

Before when?  The UK has been using immigrant labour in these sectors for decades and has adjusted accordingly.  If you suddenly turned off that tap farming and the service sector would take a big hit.

Some people do work for minimum wage so I am not understanding the warning implied in your post.

yes migrant labour ,working for 3 -4 months on a working visa ,and that's what we will return to .

you have answered your own question , if it worked for decades until recently ,why change it ?

no need for the free housing ( which our youngsters can't get ) ....no free healthcare or schooling needed either ( shortages in school places and a creaking nhs )

thanks for clearing that up

[bunbury61]

12 hours ago, Paul1Perth said:

Report came out yesterday about job creation in Perth. Loads of jobs created in the last 3 months but 75% of them part time. Media people just say younger people will have to accept that's the way it's going to be?

Commodity prices and mining in particular have really picked up again so WA is in a pretty good place and the young are supposed to accept temp positions? Time for the union movement to step up and young people to join.

Petrol is expensive here too at the moment. That makes everything more expensive.

I think it's a world wide slowdown and nothing to do with brexit. I suppose Brexit is to blame for the world cup loss.

no the world cup loss was because we were not good enough Paul .

first above average side we faced ,we were found out .

all the stars lined up as well , for England .

we will never have brazil,Spain,Germany ,Argentina out of the equation again

the easy passage to the final ,and a team in the semi ,who in the 1st half looked ready to roll over .

but Croatia are an ordinary side with 3 world class players ,and when England ran out of gas , modric and yakatic took over .

best of luck to Croatia ,they deserved it

[newjez]

6 hours ago, BacktoDemocracy said:

The Australian system means that you get a one size fits all economy, it chugs along but is stuck in its own self perpetuating image and that will eventually be its undoing, where are the designers, the entrepreneurs, the home grown industrialists.

Australia is so committed to keeping people out and designing bureaucracy to keep the good jobs to themselves that they have killed innovation and creativity, agriculture and the extractive industries will whither as the world changes to low carbon and climate change hits.

Australia has massive levels of immigration. 

[newjez]

3 hours ago, bunbury61 said:

p.s ..you dont need a job to enter the u.k from the e.u .

then once you are here without a job ,how would you get them t o leave ?

that's what I call inefficiency .

if you want to enter the u.k to live and work ,you will need a job with a salary of £30 k plus .

that's the only way , new entrants are a benefit to the country

I'm not defending the current system.

No benefits until they have earned them.

Why put a cap? That just forces Brits into low paid jobs. If a job needs filling, fill it. If a British citizen can't compete against a non English speaking they don't deserve the job.

Just because a job isn't highly paid doesn't mean it's not important. Stop being a snob.

Anyone can come in and outstay a tourist visa. You need the laws to enforce. Border control means squat.

[newjez]

3 hours ago, bunbury61 said:

Paul its GLOBALISATION mate ..

goodbye the Australian dream ,

the multinationals having the young insecure workforce as temporary labour , with no rights ,and no chance of ever owning that 4x2'.

you are 10 years behind the curve .

what I have been banging on and on about .

And there are quite a few so called socialists that defend the new order ,its laughable .

welcome to the new world of temporary work and crap pay .

oh , but the big businesses need more low pay workers so keep those doors open , it grows the economy ,you know

The irony of course is globalization is being driven by the USA, which you want to enslave us to. Good luck with that one mate.

[newjez]

1 hour ago, bunbury61 said:

but the market doesn't decide does it ...hello.!!!

what if we need say 4,000 fruit picking seasonal jobs in Worcestershire .

what system is currently in place to stop 50,000 turning up ?

asking to be housed , schooled and free healthcare ?

there is no points system or visa .

if 50,000 e.u migrants turned up in Brighton or Birmingham the councils are legally obliged to assist with all of the above

unworkable and unsustainable Mrs Merkel ...but we AR finding that out now aren't we

its not racist or fascist its bloody commonsense

But that hasn't happened has it? If it did, 46000 would leave. Immigrants come to work. If there is no work they will leave. Show me the stats that link high immigration with high unemployment in the UK. I'll bet you would find it easier to see that with an inefficient points system.

[newjez]

48 minutes ago, bunbury61 said:

yes migrant labour ,working for 3 -4 months on a working visa ,and that's what we will return to .

you have answered your own question , if it worked for decades until recently ,why change it ?

no need for the free housing ( which our youngsters can't get ) ....no free healthcare or schooling needed either ( shortages in school places and a creaking nhs )

thanks for clearing that up

We will be competing for labor against the EU. You would struggle to attract staff if you offer less than they can get in the EU.

[newjez]

42 minutes ago, bunbury61 said:

no the world cup loss was because we were not good enough Paul .

first above average side we faced ,we were found out .

all the stars lined up as well , for England .

we will never have brazil,Spain,Germany ,Argentina out of the equation again

the easy passage to the final ,and a team in the semi ,who in the 1st half looked ready to roll over .

but Croatia are an ordinary side with 3 world class players ,and when England ran out of gas , modric and yakatic took over .

best of luck to Croatia ,they deserved it

You patriot you!

I'll never understand the English attitude towards sports.

[bunbury61]

1 hour ago, newjez said:

You patriot you!

I'll never understand the English attitude towards sports.

in what way ?

[newjez]

1 hour ago, bunbury61 said:

in what way ?

The way they build them up and then kick them when they are down.

At least it wasn't as bad this time.

[Paul1Perth]

7 hours ago, newjez said:

The irony of course is globalization is being driven by the USA, which you want to enslave us to. Good luck with that one mate.

Since Trump the USA has been the driver against globalisation. He wouldn't be puttint tariffs on Chinese trade if he was in favour of it. He's realised that's one of the things that's got the US in the state it's in.

[Paul1Perth]

7 hours ago, newjez said:

We will be competing for labor against the EU. You would struggle to attract staff if you offer less than they can get in the EU.

You are assuming immigrants are waiting in Calais to come and work.

Love it when they get interviewed and they all reckon they have family in the UK.

They are coming for the handouts mate.

[newjez]

10 hours ago, Paul1Perth said:

You are assuming immigrants are waiting in Calais to come and work.

Love it when they get interviewed and they all reckon they have family in the UK.

They are coming for the handouts mate.

You are confusing asylum seekers and EU workers mate. Ffs. If they were part of EU free movement they wouldn't be waiting in Calais. It's like comparing boat people and the Chinese. You don't get Chinese coming down in boats do you. If you are going to discuss immigration you do need to understand the basics. 

[newjez]

3 hours ago, Paul1Perth said:

Since Trump the USA has been the driver against globalisation. He wouldn't be puttint tariffs on Chinese trade if he was in favour of it. He's realised that's one of the things that's got the US in the state it's in.

By the time brexit gets in trump won't be there.

[Gbye grey sky]

19 hours ago, bunbury61 said:

yes migrant labour ,working for 3 -4 months on a working visa ,and that's what we will return to .

you have answered your own question , if it worked for decades until recently ,why change it ?

no need for the free housing ( which our youngsters can't get ) ....no free healthcare or schooling needed either ( shortages in school places and a creaking nhs )

thanks for clearing that up

 

The tragedy for Britain and many other countries is that there are millions like you all cranking up strange conspiracies and spreading them across the internet and the airwaves.  I hanker for the good old days when such views were limited to the slightly nutty loner in the corner of the pub nursing his brown and mild.  Who knew that this would ever become so mainstream.

[bunbury61]

13 hours ago, newjez said:

Australia has massive levels of immigration. 

yes structured ,organised levels of self supporting ,educated migrants ,entering Australia

the polar opposite to what is happening in the u.k .

where the u.k govt has zero say on anyone with an e.u passport entering the country .

the e.u passport is another story in itself .

 

[newjez]

1 hour ago, bunbury61 said:

yes structured ,organised levels of self supporting ,educated migrants ,entering Australia

the polar opposite to what is happening in the u.k .

where the u.k govt has zero say on anyone with an e.u passport entering the country .

the e.u passport is another story in itself .

 

Immigration to the UK and to a large extent Australia, (even with the points systems which only accounts for a small percentage) only got out of control because our economies were doing well, whereas the rest of the world was in the pool. Our fault for recovering quickly after the GFC.

You could have quotas, and that would have increased wages , caused inflation, and slowed the economy. You want to go back to boom bust economy, then fine. GFC aside, globalization does lead to a more stable world economy.

[BacktoDemocracy]

17 hours ago, newjez said:

We will be competing for labor against the EU. You would struggle to attract staff if you offer less than they can get in the EU.

That is already happening due to devaluation of the pound.

[newjez]

Just a thought - but if we get a warning - can you please tell us what post we are being warned about - otherwise how am I supposed to know what I have done wrong?

[newjez]

6 hours ago, bunbury61 said:

yes structured ,organised levels of self supporting ,educated migrants ,entering Australia

the polar opposite to what is happening in the u.k .

where the u.k govt has zero say on anyone with an e.u passport entering the country .

the e.u passport is another story in itself .

 

Can you show me where high levels of immigration have led to high levels of unemployment please within the EU?

The market is self regulating.

The problem is the Euro - as that removes the ability to regulate economies.

Remove the euro and the EU would be a much better place

[Rallyman]

19 hours ago, newjez said:

Australia has massive levels of immigration. 

It’s at its lowest for 10 years I think , only caught the tail end of the report I think it said 163k came in last 12 months 

[newjez]

7 minutes ago, Rallyman said:

It’s at its lowest for 10 years I think , only caught the tail end of the report I think it said 163k came in last 12 months 

Gosh - that wouldn't be because of the end of the mining boom would it?

Who would have thought labour markets could be self regulating?

I'm not a fan of open borders I have to admit. If you have criminals in other countries - you should be able to keep them out. I don't believe we should be given benefits to immigrants before they have earned the right to them. Medical and schools - yes and know - possibly if we had decent affordable medical insurance. 

But the points system is not the holy grail that people seem to think it is. 

I'm not a fan of free movement of people - but I don't object to free movement of workers. I am quite right wing in my economics - I do understand the need for controls at times, but controls nearly always add inefficiency to a market, and I believe the less the better - up to a point. That point being GFC type events.

 

[Rallyman]

1 minute ago, newjez said:

Gosh - that wouldn't be because of the end of the mining boom would it?

Who would have thought labour markets could be self regulating?

I'm not a fan of open borders I have to admit. If you have criminals in other countries - you should be able to keep them out. I don't believe we should be given benefits to immigrants before they have earned the right to them. Medical and schools - yes and know - possibly if we had decent affordable medical insurance. 

But the points system is not the holy grail that people seem to think it is. 

I'm not a fan of free movement of people - but I don't object to free movement of workers. I am quite right wing in my economics - I do understand the need for controls at times, but controls nearly always add inefficiency to a market, and I believe the less the better - up to a point. That point being GFC type events.

 

More mines opening up on the east coast specifically coal , wa may have slowed but that is not the case here in the hunter and further north it’s ramping up again, as you well know Australia has a strict immigration policy it’s not an open boarder like the eu 

[Rallyman]

24 minutes ago, newjez said:

Can you show me where high levels of immigration have led to high levels of unemployment please within the EU?

The market is self regulating.

The problem is the Euro - as that removes the ability to regulate economies.

Remove the euro and the EU would be a much better place

Don’t know what area you work in , but I had first hand expireance of eu nations taking work off me because they would do it for less and cash , as I was registered for vat at the time there was nothing I could do.

 

 

[BacktoDemocracy]

58 minutes ago, newjez said:

Gosh - that wouldn't be because of the end of the mining boom would it?

Who would have thought labour markets could be self regulating?

I'm not a fan of open borders I have to admit. If you have criminals in other countries - you should be able to keep them out. I don't believe we should be given benefits to immigrants before they have earned the right to them. Medical and schools - yes and know - possibly if we had decent affordable medical insurance. 

But the points system is not the holy grail that people seem to think it is. 

I'm not a fan of free movement of people - but I don't object to free movement of workers. I am quite right wing in my economics - I do understand the need for controls at times, but controls nearly always add inefficiency to a market, and I believe the less the better - up to a point. That point being GFC type events.

 

Yes, but by the time you know you need controls the time for them is past, a la Grenfell Tower, GFC, et al

Who knows what controls are superfluous,

but I would agree a self regulating immigration system is likely to encourage dynamism rather than the Australian system which has always been more about racial profiling than anything else.