Should Donald Trump win Nobel Peace Prize ?

[Marisawright 10,921]

16 hours ago, simmo said:

Please play the ball or we will have yet another good thread closed.

Would you care to do a considered comparison of  Trump vs Biden in terms of mental state?  

[Marisawright 10,921]

2 hours ago, Rallyman said:

So when it’s stated that one can’t make a sentence just mumbles on and the other can that’s not a comparison . you can tell us which is which. 
 

Where have you provided evidence that Trump can make more coherent sentences than Biden?  There are just many examples of Trump being unable to form sentences as Biden.   In fact in my view, Trump is worse, because he creates great long sentences where he loses track and they become nonsensical.  

[Parley 7,918]

Come on Trump is sharp as a tack.

Anyway bit of a pointless argument. WE know you don't like Trump. But fact is many millions do and he will be presidential candidate in 2024, and probably beat Biden.

[unzippy 3,972]

6 minutes ago, Parley said:

Come on Trump is sharp as a tack.

Evidence?

[Rallyman 4,104]

2 hours ago, Marisawright said:

Where have you provided evidence that Trump can make more coherent sentences than Biden?  There are just many examples of Trump being unable to form sentences as Biden.   In fact in my view, Trump is worse, because he creates great long sentences where he loses track and they become nonsensical.  

Ok if you say so , did you see the meeting with Israel pm explain that one 

sorry can’t take you seriously if you think that Biden is more coherent than Trump , show us a clip of what you are claiming of trump 

Biden gets lost leaving the stage , I blame the people around him as he is clear not a well man it’s disgraceful to allow it. The problem they have they end up with Kamala Harris a scary possibility. 

[unzippy 3,972]

3 hours ago, Marisawright said:

Where have you provided evidence that Trump can make more coherent sentences than Biden?

 

43 minutes ago, Rallyman said:

Ok if you say so , did you see the meeting with Israel pm explain that one 

That isn't evidence that Trump can make more coherent sentences than Biden.

It's whataboutism.  Again.

Hope that helps

[simmo 21,945]

7 hours ago, Marisawright said:

Would you care to do a considered comparison of  Trump vs Biden in terms of mental state?  

What do you mean by "do"?

[simmo 21,945]

9 hours ago, unzippy said:

 

That isn't evidence that Trump can make more coherent sentences than Biden.

It's whataboutism.  Again.

Hope that helps

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[Rallyman 4,104]

19 hours ago, unzippy said:

 

That isn't evidence that Trump can make more coherent sentences than Biden.

It's whataboutism.  Again.

Hope that helps

It’s a discussion about the state of the current president against the former president and the front runner for 2024 

show us the evidence that is being claimed that Trump is as incoherent as Biden and I might take your comments a bit more seriously.it’s nothing to do with your latest catch phrase “ whataboutism “ 

 

[unzippy 3,972]

26 minutes ago, Rallyman said:

show us the evidence that is being claimed that Trump is as incoherent as Biden and I might take your comments a bit more seriously.

Scroll up champ.  Top tip, you can click on the words in blue as they are links

https://www.pomsinoz.com/topic/201161-should-donald-trump-win-nobel-peace-prize/?do=findComment&comment=2674537

 

[FirstWorldProblems 2,142]

40 minutes ago, Rallyman said:

It’s a discussion about the state of the current president against the former president and the front runner for 2024 

show us the evidence that is being claimed that Trump is as incoherent as Biden and I might take your comments a bit more seriously.it’s nothing to do with your latest catch phrase “ whataboutism “ 

 

We could be a long, long time sharing incoherent speeches from Trump.  Instead I will  confine myself to the last two weeks. 
 

 “Many of the allies I don’t know because we have so many allies and a lot of them I don’t know so I don’t know exactly what you’re talking about. I can tell you this. These people want to see democracy, they want to see a nation be great again. Right now our nation is … going to hell. So we have a lot of allies that I don’t know, but they’re allies nevertheless. And I can’t speak to that. Nobody can answer that question. But I can tell you one thing, there was a lot of shenanigans going on with the election.” 

[Parley 7,918]

11 minutes ago, FirstWorldProblems said:

We could be a long, long time sharing incoherent speeches from Trump.  Instead I will  confine myself to the last two weeks. 
 

 “Many of the allies I don’t know because we have so many allies and a lot of them I don’t know so I don’t know exactly what you’re talking about. I can tell you this. These people want to see democracy, they want to see a nation be great again. Right now our nation is … going to hell. So we have a lot of allies that I don’t know, but they’re allies nevertheless. And I can’t speak to that. Nobody can answer that question. But I can tell you one thing, there was a lot of shenanigans going on with the election.” 

Perfectly clear.

[Rallyman 4,104]

4 hours ago, FirstWorldProblems said:

We could be a long, long time sharing incoherent speeches from Trump.  Instead I will  confine myself to the last two weeks. 
 

 “Many of the allies I don’t know because we have so many allies and a lot of them I don’t know so I don’t know exactly what you’re talking about. I can tell you this. These people want to see democracy, they want to see a nation be great again. Right now our nation is … going to hell. So we have a lot of allies that I don’t know, but they’re allies nevertheless. And I can’t speak to that. Nobody can answer that question. But I can tell you one thing, there was a lot of shenanigans going on with the election.” 

Cool reply thanks 

[Rallyman 4,104]

On 06/09/2023 at 07:12, unzippy said:

Scroll up champ.  Top tip, you can click on the words in blue as they are links

https://www.pomsinoz.com/topic/201161-should-donald-trump-win-nobel-peace-prize/?do=findComment&comment=2674537

 

Looked at your link no video in that link

 

did you see latest episode of Biden just walking off stage during giving a soldier a purple heart looking totally bewildered. I can’t see how he can continue 
 

 

 

 

Edited September 7 by Rallyman

[simmo 21,945]

2 hours ago, Rallyman said:

Looked at your link no video in that link

 

did you see latest episode of Biden just walking off stage during giving a soldier a purple heart looking totally bewildered. I can’t see how he can continue 
 

 

 

 

https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2023/09/06/covid-exposed-biden-goes-maskless-in-front-of-hero-n576066#google_vignette

He's walking around the Whitehouse in a mask because Jill has covid yet took it off when around the poor old veteran.  The man is simply not in control. 

[Rallyman 4,104]

14 hours ago, simmo said:

https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2023/09/06/covid-exposed-biden-goes-maskless-in-front-of-hero-n576066#google_vignette

He's walking around the Whitehouse in a mask because Jill has covid yet took it off when around the poor old veteran.  The man is simply not in control. 

I honestly think he is there as a puppet with powers that be behind the scenes calling all the shots and shows true colours of said people and what they are about. 
Do people honestly believe he is of sound mind to run again my prediction they will use medical condition to say he can’t stand as a candidate again.

mitch McConnell is another  who is showing signs of a medical condition but still refuses to stand down , if I were an American I would be very worried. 

 

[Blue Manna 314]

17 hours ago, simmo said:

https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2023/09/06/covid-exposed-biden-goes-maskless-in-front-of-hero-n576066#google_vignette

He's walking around the Whitehouse in a mask because Jill has covid yet took it off when around the poor old veteran.  The man is simply not in control. 

I see reports of 500,000 Ukrainians dead. They are conscripting old men and boys, and after they have exhausted themselves with this failed attack, Russia will destroy all power installations and roll over the whole country. All those people flying the Ukrainian flag. How is this in the interests of Ukraine?

[Marisawright 10,921]

3 hours ago, Rallyman said:

I honestly think he is there as a puppet with powers that be behind the scenes calling all the shots and shows true colours of said people and what they are about. 
Do people honestly believe he is of sound mind to run again my prediction they will use medical condition to say he can’t stand as a candidate again.

mitch McConnell is another  who is showing signs of a medical condition but still refuses to stand down , if I were an American I would be very worried. 

The Americans really need to put a retirement age on politicians.  I mean, I'm 70 and like to think I still have all my marbles, but we can't deny that our powers do decline as we get older.  High-level politicians need to be at the top of their game, able to work long hours and travel without tiring.  Not many 80-year-olds are up to that.

The bigger threat, as you say, is dementia.   Ronald Reagan's sons have confirmed he had Alzheimer's long before he left office, even though it wasn't officially confirmed until six years later.  His aides covered it up, and it's a matter of debate whether they did that to protect him, or so they could use him to achieve their own ends. 

Is the same happening now?  We don't know.  What I find really scary is that I've listened to many of Trump's speeches -- the full, uncut versions, not the carefully edited ones or the ones where he's on teleprompter -- and to me, he sounds worse than  Biden.  Biden seems sleepy or confused at times but when he's on form -- which he often is --he speaks in complete sentences, makes cogent arguments and sticks to the point.  Trump rambles, forgets what he's talking about, changes the subject abruptly, repeats meaningless slogans, and makes bizarre statements.  If there was a retirement age for politicians, neither would be standing for office and the US would be much better off.

[Marisawright 10,921]

21 minutes ago, Blue Manna said:

I see reports of 500,000 Ukrainians dead. They are conscripting old men and boys, and after they have exhausted themselves with this failed attack, Russia will destroy all power installations and roll over the whole country. All those people flying the Ukrainian flag. How is this in the interests of Ukraine?

What should they have done, then?   

It's a very difficult situation, but if Russia had invaded the UK, would you have advised the British government to accept the invasion?  

[Parley 7,918]

19 minutes ago, Marisawright said:

The Americans really need to put a retirement age on politicians.  I mean, I'm 70 and like to think I still have all my marbles, but we can't deny that our powers do decline as we get older.  High-level politicians need to be at the top of their game, able to work long hours and travel without tiring.  Not many 80-year-olds are up to that.

The bigger threat, as you say, is dementia.   Ronald Reagan's sons have confirmed he had Alzheimer's long before he left office, even though it wasn't officially confirmed until six years later.  His aides covered it up, and it's a matter of debate whether they did that to protect him, or so they could use him to achieve their own ends. 

Is the same happening now?  We don't know.  What I find really scary is that I've listened to many of Trump's speeches -- the full, uncut versions, not the carefully edited ones or the ones where he's on teleprompter -- and to me, he sounds worse than  Biden.  Biden seems sleepy or confused at times but when he's on form -- which he often is --he speaks in complete sentences, makes cogent arguments and sticks to the point.  Trump rambles, forgets what he's talking about, changes the subject abruptly, repeats meaningless slogans, and makes bizarre statements.  If there was a retirement age for politicians, neither would be standing for office and the US would be much better off.

You're missing the point that the public are voting for these people.

They are not forced to. Trump is running against a lot of younger rivals, but the people have spoken. They want Trump.

Ron DeSantis would be great but people want Trump. Engineering democracy to thwart the peoples' wishes is not a good idea at all.

Edited September 8 by Parley

[Rallyman 4,104]

1 hour ago, Marisawright said:

The Americans really need to put a retirement age on politicians.  I mean, I'm 70 and like to think I still have all my marbles, but we can't deny that our powers do decline as we get older.  High-level politicians need to be at the top of their game, able to work long hours and travel without tiring.  Not many 80-year-olds are up to that.

The bigger threat, as you say, is dementia.   Ronald Reagan's sons have confirmed he had Alzheimer's long before he left office, even though it wasn't officially confirmed until six years later.  His aides covered it up, and it's a matter of debate whether they did that to protect him, or so they could use him to achieve their own ends. 

Is the same happening now?  We don't know.  What I find really scary is that I've listened to many of Trump's speeches -- the full, uncut versions, not the carefully edited ones or the ones where he's on teleprompter -- and to me, he sounds worse than  Biden.  Biden seems sleepy or confused at times but when he's on form -- which he often is --he speaks in complete sentences, makes cogent arguments and sticks to the point.  Trump rambles, forgets what he's talking about, changes the subject abruptly, repeats meaningless slogans, and makes bizarre statements.  If there was a retirement age for politicians, neither would be standing for office and the US would be much better off.

Sorry I have not seen Trump rambling plenty of Biden , I understand you don’t like trump that’s fair enough. 
what gets me is all the double standards , Hilary found out about Russia gate.  Obama knew as did Biden through in all the e mails and servers destroyed nothing but for some reason they are hell bent on getting trump no matter what. 
look at the drug scandal in the White House all brushed under the table 

plea deal for hunter Biden not to be prosecuted for any further crimes, thankfully they judges saw through that 

As said a fair few times there has to be better candidates to take the top job out of a population of 400 million 

[Skani 5,408]

47 minutes ago, Parley said:

You're missing the point that the public are voting for these people.

There's something fundamentally flawed in the US.  Why can't a population of 360 million produce someone younger and more competent who would appeal to the voters than these two fumbling geriatrics?   Personally I'm suspicious of   that canned "cheese" they have.  Don't know what they put in it but I suspect it causes brain damage.  

[Marisawright 10,921]

1 hour ago, Parley said:

You're missing the point that the public are voting for these people.

...which says something about the American people, too.  Their education system has been shot for a long time.

[Marisawright 10,921]

35 minutes ago, Rallyman said:

Sorry I have not seen Trump rambling plenty of Biden , I understand you don’t like trump that’s fair enough. 

I have seen plenty.  All you have to do is make an effort to watch videos of his uncut speeches and interviews.  The man is clearly impaired in some way.  But obviously, when you're reading media that supports Trump, they're going to cut out all the embarrassing bits.  Just like they cut out all the bits of Biden videos where he makes sense.

Edited September 8 by Marisawright

[Blue Manna 314]

2 hours ago, Marisawright said:

What should they have done, then?   

It's a very difficult situation, but if Russia had invaded the UK, would you have advised the British government to accept the invasion?  

That's a nonsense argument.

Guarantee that Ukraine would never have joined NATO and the EU might have helped.

If you are looking for a similar situation, probably the Cuban missile crisis is the closest, triggered by USA placing missiles in Turkey.

A NATO Ukraine could have had missiles close enough to Moscow to make first strike a real possibility for the USA. And whilst it may have been a stretch for this to happen, if Russia hadn't acted now, they may not have been able to act later.

The strength of the Ukrainian defence gives some idea of how much the USA has invested in arming and training Ukraine. Once they started down that road war was likely.

It's a sensitive complicated situation. A compatible situation would be northern Ireland in the 70s and 80s, if say the American government had been actively arming the IRA. How would the UK have responded to that? Probably pretty similar to the way Russia responded. 

If you prod the bear enough, the bear bites. We've been prodding the bear.