simmo 21,949 Posted March 9, 2018 Setting the wifi access controls for the kids and me and the mrs are rowing about this.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Toots 12,310 Posted March 10, 2018 7 hours ago, simmo said: Setting the wifi access controls for the kids and me and the mrs are rowing about this.. AM 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
simmo 21,949 Posted March 10, 2018 2 hours ago, Toots said: AM Explain. Because even Google doesn't know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Toots 12,310 Posted March 10, 2018 1 hour ago, simmo said: Explain. Because even Google doesn't know. Strictly speaking midnight isn't AM or PM but as midnight is the start of a new day I've always thought of it as AM ........................... not that I want to get into any arguments about it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
simmo 21,949 Posted March 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, Toots said: Strictly speaking midnight isn't AM or PM but as midnight is the start of a new day I've always thought of it as AM ........................... not that I want to get into any arguments about it. http://www.npl.co.uk/reference/faqs/is-midnight-12-am-or-12-pm-faq-time now what? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marisawright 10,926 Posted March 10, 2018 This is a subject that has always flummoxed me too. If you're setting the timer then set it to either 11.59 or 12.01, and avoid the whole problem. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Parley 7,920 Posted March 10, 2018 Don't argue with your wife Simmo. 1 Buy a man eat fish. The Day, Teach Man, to lifetime. - Joe Biden. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Quoll 6,241 Posted March 10, 2018 AMYup I would say that too because 12:01 is am and you might as well have all the minutes in the same hour the same nomenclature. However I tend to use noon or midnight or 12:00 or 24:00 in preference. Who knows???? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmjg 4,061 Posted March 10, 2018 One second past midnight is am. One second past midday is pm. Use the 24 hour clock and it doesn’t matter anyway Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
simmo 21,949 Posted March 10, 2018 Just now, dmjg said: One second past midnight is am. One second past midday is pm. Use the 24 hour clock and it doesn’t matter anyway I'm not on about 1 second past, i'm talking "midnight" (am or pm)? 24 hour clock is not part of the BT hub software Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmjg 4,061 Posted March 10, 2018 10 minutes ago, simmo said: I'm not on about 1 second past, i'm talking "midnight" (am or pm)? 24 hour clock is not part of the BT hub software Set it as either. Wait two hours, if it’s ok, it’s ok. If not, reset it to the other Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Quoll 6,241 Posted March 10, 2018 11 minutes ago, simmo said: I'm not on about 1 second past, i'm talking "midnight" (am or pm)? 24 hour clock is not part of the BT hub software Well, set the controls and see what happens at 12:00 + 1 second midday. If it shuts you out then you know that BT think noon is am. Then you can change it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
simmo 21,949 Posted March 10, 2018 I did that and BT thinks 12 midnight is AM... but what if they are wrong? Remember the millenium bug? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Parley 7,920 Posted March 10, 2018 You may be on to something Simmo. Wikipedia seems to back you up https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnight. But the convention that is used is midninght is 12am, so that is the important thing practically. 1 Buy a man eat fish. The Day, Teach Man, to lifetime. - Joe Biden. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marisawright 10,926 Posted March 10, 2018 9 hours ago, simmo said: I'm not on about 1 second past, i'm talking "midnight" (am or pm)? Yes we know that, and we're saying you can avoid the problem when using a timer, by setting the time at one minute after or before the hour. When it's 11.59, it's still p.m. When it's 12.01, it's obviously a.m. So choose one of those times instead. The article you linked to is correct, there is no standard what to call 12 on the dot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marisawright 10,926 Posted March 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Parley said: You may be on to something Simmo. Wikipedia seems to back you up https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnight. But the convention that is used is midninght is 12am, so that is the important thing practically. Never trust Wikipedia. Anyone can join up as an editor and change anything they like. Once upon a time, they had thousands of volunteers who checked all the changes and made sure they were correct. Now, the novelty's worn off and there's hardly anyone left. So if someone changes an entry and it's inaccurate, it takes months or even years before anyone checks it. How do I know? I used to be one of them. I still check up on my favourite subjects once in a blue moon and it's scarey the rubbish people have added in the meantime. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ssiri 2,478 Posted March 13, 2018 I'm not on about 1 second past, i'm talking "midnight" (am or pm)? 24 hour clock is not part of the BT hub software Midnight is midnight. The minutes and seconds before are PM and the seconds and minutes after are AM. But itself, it’s midnight. Same applies applies to midday (noon), but reverse order. However people assume it’s AM at midnight and PM at midday. This includes business and recruitment too (applications must be in by the close of the day. Ergo by 11.59 as midnight is ergo a new day, ergo AM 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
