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4 minutes ago, ssiri said:

 

 


And the UK, US would not invest out of self interest, you think?

 

 

They all do it for the same reasons ssiri.

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10 minutes ago, ssiri said:

 

 


And the UK, US would not invest out of self interest, you think?

 

 

We didn't invest, we just made them a colony and stripped out the wealth of the country's and didn't pay a bean for what we took. 

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3 hours ago, Paul1Perth said:

Has an African ever managed to get a visa?

Some of them have visas some of them don't.

 

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8 minutes ago, Paul1Perth said:

They all do it for the same reasons ssiri.

So that makes it all o/k then, lets all join the race to the bottom, 

Trump and his fascist mates deny climate change, so what the fcuk, lets just burn the Amazon and Indonesian rain forests down and make loadsa money.

Ethics , morality, what's that, loadsa money is the only thing! 

And don't just churn out about racist China, have a look at the USA legal and political system, based entirely on racism.

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6 minutes ago, Toots said:

Some of them have visas some of them don't.

 

Illegal immigrants. Shameful.


I want it all, and I want it now.

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38 minutes ago, Slean Wolfhead said:

First casualty of Brexit, as one of the critical factors was the collapse of the £.    Who was it on here who said it wouldn't matter because people could just holiday at home, or pay more for their holidays?  How about the 9000 jobs that have gone, and the potential 22,000 jobs worldwide dependent on TC?  

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-49791249

Strangely the Aus$ hasn't done too well either. More or less followed the pound. Whilst Brexit has had a negative affect it's not the whole story. It's the uncertainty that's worse. Once you're out the pound will stabilise.

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3 hours ago, Paul1Perth said:

The UK health market has been open to US and other countries companies for years. Here my wife works for Ramsay Health. They already own and run lots of hospitals in the UK. The NHS has been slowly degrading by stealth for years. Still one of the best systems in the world though and worth fighting for.

People who like Scotch Whisky know what is and isn't. They won't change.

The French are partial to horse steaks, frogs legs aren't they. Has that ever made it to the UK. 

I reckon you are making mountains out of molehills and the food supply concerns are another smokescreen. If people are so concerned buy British. That's what we do here with vast imports of potentially dodgy seafood from Asia. Make sure we get Aussie seafood.

The worry is that it will be impossible to determine which products are British and which are not due to the loss of Protected Designation of Origin as part of any trade deal with the US. It's the whole point of efforts by the US to remove PDO as part of any UK trade deal. They can then sell products labelled "British chicken" or "Lancashire cheese" or "Scottish whisky" when it was produced in the US. 

I'm not sure what you mean by smokescreen, I'm simply discussing my understanding of the concerns on one side of one part of one debate. It doesn't all have to be lumped into one big "lefty" or "remoaner" category and dismissed on that basis. 

Regarding the NHS, yes the English and Welsh NHS has been treated dreadfully and eroded significantly by the Tories and labour respectively. The Scottish NHS remains the best performing health service across the UK by a large margin and has been protected largely due to political decision making in that region. I don't know enough about the NI health system to comment

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No evidence to say collapse of TC is anything to do with Brexit.

A turn over of 9.6 billion in2018 but with debts of 1.7 billion , something not adding up 

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WHY DID IT COLLAPSE?

Thomas Cook was brought low by a $2.1 billion debt pile that prevented it from responding to more nimble online competition. With debts built up around 10 years ago due to several ill-timed deals, it had to sell three million holidays a year just to cover its interest payments. 

As it struggled to pitch itself to a new generation of tourists, the company was hit by the 2016 coup attempt in Turkey, one of its top destinations, and the 2018 Europe-wide heatwave which deterred customers from going abroad.

Thomas Cook needed another 200 million pounds on top of a 900 million pound package it had already agreed, to see it through the winter months when it receives less cash and must pay hotels for summer services.

The request for an additional 200 million pounds torpedoed the rescue deal that had been months in the making.

Thomas Cook bosses met lenders and creditors in London on Sunday to try to thrash out a last-ditch deal to keep the company afloat. They failed.

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Under the original terms of the plan, top shareholder Fosun - whose Chinese parent owns all-inclusive holiday firm Club Med - would have given 450 million pounds ($552 million) of money in return for at least 75% of the tour operator business and 25% of its airline.

Thomas Cook's lending banks and bondholders were to stump up a further 450 million pounds and convert their existing debt to equity, giving them in total about 75% of the airline and up to 25% of the tour operator business

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17 hours ago, simmo said:

 

The EU offered the UK an arrangement to fulfil that promise.  The UK Parliament including the Brexiteers rejected that.

I don’t understand.  You want Brexit with no trade agreement don’t you?

You want a closed border with Europe but, err, without a border?

Brexiteers are seriously messed up.

 

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Timeline: 309/100 Sent 7/8/13, Money Taken 9/8/13, CO appointed 3/9/13. Med 3/12/13. Police check 4/12/13. VISA GRANTED 8/4/14, Subclass100. Recce August 2014. Arrived 30 July 2015.

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2 hours ago, bunbury61 said:

As I said the e.u would , 2 years ago .

The british dont want a border 

The irish dont want a border .

How will irish Republicans feel about that ?

Yes, the EU should not have voted to expel the UK errrr.


Timeline: 309/100 Sent 7/8/13, Money Taken 9/8/13, CO appointed 3/9/13. Med 3/12/13. Police check 4/12/13. VISA GRANTED 8/4/14, Subclass100. Recce August 2014. Arrived 30 July 2015.

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21 minutes ago, Gbye grey sky said:

The EU offered the UK an arrangement to fulfil that promise.  The UK Parliament including the Brexiteers rejected that.

I don’t understand.  You want Brexit with no trade agreement don’t you?

You want a closed border with Europe but, err, without a border?

Brexiteers are seriously messed up.

 

I'm not sure why Rallyman is laughing.

They not only want brexit without a trade deal, most  of them want brexit without an EU. They seem to be hoping that the EU will die after brexit. That's a bit like a gangrenous foot hoping the body will die after it's been amputated.

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3 minutes ago, newjez said:

I'm not sure why Rallyman is laughing.

They not only want brexit without a trade deal, most  of them want brexit without an EU. They seem to be hoping that the EU will die after brexit. That's a bit like a gangrenous foot hoping the body will die after it's been amputated.

I think it’s a positive when people can laugh at themselves.

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Timeline: 309/100 Sent 7/8/13, Money Taken 9/8/13, CO appointed 3/9/13. Med 3/12/13. Police check 4/12/13. VISA GRANTED 8/4/14, Subclass100. Recce August 2014. Arrived 30 July 2015.

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37 minutes ago, Rallyman said:

No evidence to say collapse of TC is anything to do with Brexit.

Well we know what your appalling record is like for getting any sort of analysis right, and we also know what you think of evidence !!!! 😉

From the horse's mouth, unless you're saying this not one of the critical factors?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/thomas-cook-share-price-profit-loss-results-brexit-travel-flights-a8916061.html

 

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They all do it for the same reasons ssiri.



Yep. My point exactly. So no problem with China investing in African countries then, I take it and no need to single them out as doing it for their own good.
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7 minutes ago, newjez said:

I'm not sure why Rallyman is laughing.

He's not, he's drooling.  Can't help it..


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We didn't invest, we just made them a colony and stripped out the wealth of the country's and didn't pay a bean for what we took. 



That’s not my point- I was addressing Paul’s point . If the UK were to invest in African countries, in this century it wouldn’t be philanthropically motivated. Similar motivations to China, in a nutshell

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4 minutes ago, Slean Wolfhead said:

Well we know what your appalling record is like for getting any sort of analysis right, and we also know what you think of evidence !!!! 😉

From the horse's mouth, unless you're saying this not one of the critical factors?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/thomas-cook-share-price-profit-loss-results-brexit-travel-flights-a8916061.html

 

Thomas Cook have an outdated business model anyway.  The days of High Street travel agents are surely numbered.

Brexit may have added another nail to the coffin but Thomas Cook cannot compete with online travel booking sites.

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Timeline: 309/100 Sent 7/8/13, Money Taken 9/8/13, CO appointed 3/9/13. Med 3/12/13. Police check 4/12/13. VISA GRANTED 8/4/14, Subclass100. Recce August 2014. Arrived 30 July 2015.

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7 minutes ago, Slean Wolfhead said:

Well we know what your appalling record is like for getting any sort of analysis right, and we also know what you think of evidence !!!! 😉

From the horse's mouth, unless you're saying this not one of the critical factors?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/thomas-cook-share-price-profit-loss-results-brexit-travel-flights-a8916061.html

 

And wall all know you post BS as you said yourself 

You need to read what I posted about it 

it was stuffed 10 years ago , maybe you need to go and have a read up, 

“But the heatwave of 2018, England’s hottest summer on record, hit the company hard, prompting huge swathes of potential customers to holiday at home rather than abroad.”

nothing to do with Brexit, 

8 minutes ago, Slean Wolfhead said:

He's not, he's drooling.  Can't help it..

Personal comments again can’t help yourself can you , always play the man , very sad indeed. 

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Thomas Cook have an outdated business model anyway.  The days of High Street travel agents are surely numbered.
Brexit may have added another nail to the coffin but Thomas Cook cannot compete with online travel booking sites.



I don’t think Brexit and the related uncertainty would’ve helped. They were a volume based industry unlike trail finders which is a bit more niche/upmarket. Volume sales conveyed to cash-flow are likely to be hard to come by with uncertainty and currency fluctuations as they currently are

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1 minute ago, Gbye grey sky said:

Thomas Cook have an outdated business model anyway.  The days of High Street travel agents are surely numbered.

Brexit may have added another nail to the coffin but Thomas Cook cannot compete with online travel booking sites.

They do, but slowing sales and UK people not wishing to book because of Brexit uncertainty, on top of the weakening £ has not helped them survive long enough.  They were stuffed in the UK and the UK customer market doesn't look too healthy after Brexit for anybody to invest in. 

Fosun are already building Thomas Cook hotels in China, and they'd have moved the focus to take advantage of the gigantic package holiday market which is growing extremely quickly.  The main theme is that the Chinese prefer package tours, and they like to travel in escorted groups.  The growth would have been in China, Europe and the UK, but with predominantly Chinese customers.  It's a huge loss of a 180yr old British company that could have been able to survive...Fosun don't usually back losers.  In this case, the banks have stuffed them and the UK Government has turned its back.  SO much for investing in the future !

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unless you're saying this not one of the critical factors?

 

8 minutes ago, Rallyman said:

nothing to do with Brexit, 

Personal comments again can’t help yourself can you , always play the man , very sad indeed. 

Brexit could bite you right on the arse and you'd still look for an excuse not to look objectively, because you're a born appeaser.

You were replying to me, you still refuse to read full sentences,  you don't believe what the company itself said about itself, and you don't seem to give a toss about the people who've lost their jobs today.  If I'm sad, take a running jump and stop replying to me, you appall me..

 

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1 minute ago, Slean Wolfhead said:

 

Brexit could bite you right on the arse and you'd still look for an excuse not to look objectively, because you're a born appeaser.

You were replying to me, you still refuse to read full sentences,  you don't believe what the company itself said about itself, and you don't seem to give a toss about the people who've lost their jobs today.  If I'm sad, take a running jump and stop replying to me, you appall me..

 

No I don’t buy it’s brexit that has caused it to fail , do some research , my post  pointed out many reasons why it failed ,but hay that’s not to your agenda 

 

Tell me where I have said I didn’t give a toss about people losing jobs , you really do twist things to try and get a reaction , very sad indeed 😔

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