VERYSTORMY Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 I experienced the NHS in two different modes yesterday. My GP wanted me to be tested for my asthma and four weeks ago to the day referred me to respiratory. I had the appointment yesterday morning. The hospital was modern, spotless and very nice. Arrived 10:58 for 11am. Was seen at 11:05. Had the tests by a very nice professional lady (medical physiologist). Results will be with my GP in days. Couldn't ask for a better service using private. Yesterday afternoon I had a dental check. New dentist and no hassle getting an appointment. Very nice dentist. Did the exam, took X-rays and said I need a filling replaced which I already knew about and that two back teeth would benefit from a deep clean. I also asked for a scale and polish. The check up was free the cost for the rest will be £47 and an appointment made to suit me because I work away from home. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolman Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 2 hours ago, VERYSTORMY said: I experienced the NHS in two different modes yesterday. My GP wanted me to be tested for my asthma and four weeks ago to the day referred me to respiratory. I had the appointment yesterday morning. The hospital was modern, spotless and very nice. Arrived 10:58 for 11am. Was seen at 11:05. Had the tests by a very nice professional lady (medical physiologist). Results will be with my GP in days. Couldn't ask for a better service using private. Yesterday afternoon I had a dental check. New dentist and no hassle getting an appointment. Very nice dentist. Did the exam, took X-rays and said I need a filling replaced which I already knew about and that two back teeth would benefit from a deep clean. I also asked for a scale and polish. The check up was free the cost for the rest will be £47 and an appointment made to suit me because I work away from home. It's always nice to see others having equally good experiences because some think I can't see through my rose tinted glasses lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simmo Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 (edited) Not just the NHS struggling. Quote ALMOST 80,000 West Australians are waiting to see a public hospital specialist to find out if they need surgery, with an average waiting time of more than a year at Fiona Stanley Hospital. The latest surgical outpatient clinic figures — the “waiting to wait” patients who need to be assessed for surgery — show that at the end of December last year, 79,517 patients were waiting for their first appointment. also seem to be due to numbers. https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wa/west-australians-waiting-a-year-to-see-public-hospital-specialists-as-fiona-stanley-hospital-queue-grows-ng-b88768873z Edited March 11, 2018 by simmo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunbury61 Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 On 28/02/2018 at 18:41, BacktoDemocracy said: And those people pay taxes so that is a fallacious argument, the bottom line is the govt are exploiting everyone bollox ...you still don't get it .....to be a NET CONTRIBUTOR to the u.k economy , you need to be earning £30,000 per year . so when the nhs , or someone in the private sector says they have 500 jobs that need filling by people from abroad the criteria should be will the jobs be paying £30,000 plus have we got the school places and housing available within the area if the answer is NO to any of the above , then you will have to find and employ British labour ....instead of the minimum wage crap you have been getting away with ...simples 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johndoe Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 On 3/1/2018 at 04:41, BacktoDemocracy said: And those people pay taxes so that is a fallacious argument, the bottom line is the govt are exploiting everyone So please show, to support your argument, that "those people" pay sufficient taxes to support their use of the welfare state. Most of them are low earners and could never contribute enough to justify what benefits they receive from the welfare state 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunbury61 Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 56 minutes ago, bunbury61 said: bollox ...you still don't get it .....to be a NET CONTRIBUTOR to the u.k economy , you need to be earning £30,000 per year . so when the nhs , or someone in the private sector says they have 500 jobs that need filling by people from abroad the criteria should be will the jobs be paying £30,000 plus have we got the school places and housing available within the area if the answer is NO to any of the above , then you will have to find and employ British labour ....instead of the minimum wage crap you have been getting away with ...simples as previously stated ...ireland is about to accept 1 million immigrants ... what's that all about has Ireland got zero unemployment ? or is part of the project to break down irelands national identity ? has anyone asked the Irish people ? have they got enough hospital places , school places and homes ? ....same argument . what happens if its unsuccessful ? sadly , Ireland could become the new Calais ....very sad . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunbury61 Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, bunbury61 said: as previously stated ...ireland is about to accept 1 million immigrants ... what's that all about has Ireland got zero unemployment ? or is part of the project to break down irelands national identity ? has anyone asked the Irish people ? have they got enough hospital places , school places and homes ? ....same argument . what happens if its unsuccessful ? sadly , Ireland could become the new Calais ....very sad . finally , i put up the question last week " how many of the 1-1.5 million migrants that entered germany " recently , have found full time employment . as of early 2017 ....it was 54 .....Yes 54.....the cost currently to the German economy is 3 billion a year ....what a mess . blairs Iraq is merkels migration crisis ....sadly that's all she will be remembered for they could have spent the money on proper safe zones , medical ,and schooling within the middle east 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoDemocracy Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 1 hour ago, bunbury61 said: bollox ...you still don't get it .....to be a NET CONTRIBUTOR to the u.k economy , you need to be earning £30,000 per year . so when the nhs , or someone in the private sector says they have 500 jobs that need filling by people from abroad the criteria should be will the jobs be paying £30,000 plus have we got the school places and housing available within the area if the answer is NO to any of the above , then you will have to find and employ British labour ....instead of the minimum wage crap you have been getting away with ...simples Well are you prepared to pay £4 a punnet for your strawberries and 50p /kg for potatoes and £1.20/l for milk, because that's how much you'll pay when farm workers are paid a decent wage or don't you realise all that immigrant labour is what keeps us in cheap food. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simmo Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 1 hour ago, BacktoDemocracy said: Well are you prepared to pay £4 a punnet for your strawberries and 50p /kg for potatoes and £1.20/l for milk, because that's how much you'll pay when farm workers are paid a decent wage or don't you realise all that immigrant labour is what keeps us in cheap food. Please tell me that was an attempt a satire! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolman Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 52 minutes ago, simmo said: Please tell me that was an attempt a satire! No, I don't think it was lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunbury61 Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 3 hours ago, BacktoDemocracy said: Well are you prepared to pay £4 a punnet for your strawberries and 50p /kg for potatoes and £1.20/l for milk, because that's how much you'll pay when farm workers are paid a decent wage or don't you realise all that immigrant labour is what keeps us in cheap food. I would pay DOUBLE THAT ,and should be paying double that , so that the farmers and staff make a proper wage . THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT IAM TALKING ABOUT .....if milk is £2 a litre ,so be it thank you and goodnight 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunbury61 Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 Just now, bunbury61 said: I would pay DOUBLE THAT ,and should be paying double that , so that the farmers and staff make a proper wage . THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT IAM TALKING ABOUT .....if milk is £2 a litre ,so be it thank you and goodnight 3 hours ago, BacktoDemocracy said: Well are you prepared to pay £4 a punnet for your strawberries and 50p /kg for potatoes and £1.20/l for milk, because that's how much you'll pay when farm workers are paid a decent wage or don't you realise all that immigrant labour is what keeps us in cheap food. so who sounds like a capitalist now ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolman Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 26 minutes ago, bunbury61 said: I would pay DOUBLE THAT ,and should be paying double that , so that the farmers and staff make a proper wage . THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT IAM TALKING ABOUT .....if milk is £2 a litre ,so be it thank you and goodnight We have a wonderful pick your own place near us, beautiful sweet Strawberries. I've always thought milk was too cheap to be fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoDemocracy Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 40 minutes ago, bunbury61 said: so who sounds like a capitalist now ? And are you going to support the unions when they want higher wages to pay for the food at higher prices and cope with the rate of inflation consequent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunbury61 Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 51 minutes ago, BacktoDemocracy said: And are you going to support the unions when they want higher wages to pay for the food at higher prices and cope with the rate of inflation consequent higher wages for British workers , with solid terms and conditions ....definitely ....it all ties into my anti e.u ...anti globalisation ...zero hour contracts ....abuse of the people stance rate of inflation ....so be it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoDemocracy Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 30 minutes ago, bunbury61 said: higher wages for British workers , with solid terms and conditions ....definitely ....it all ties into my anti e.u ...anti globalisation ...zero hour contracts ....abuse of the people stance rate of inflation ....so be it . Plenty of money then have we. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newjez Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 3 hours ago, bunbury61 said: higher wages for British workers , with solid terms and conditions ....definitely ....it all ties into my anti e.u ...anti globalisation ...zero hour contracts ....abuse of the people stance rate of inflation ....so be it . It's all very well to say that, but the rise in inflation has a very real cost, and I don't think you have the remit to assign that cost to everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunbury61 Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 8 hours ago, BacktoDemocracy said: Plenty of money then have we. more than enough to pay proper wages. we had enough money for the millenium dome and for wars in Iraq , Afghanistan and Libya . so affording wages of a man or women in the u.k , shouldn't be a problem your argument is disintegrating it is big business , the elites ,facilitated by the e.u, that are causing these " poverty " wages 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simmo Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 17 minutes ago, bunbury61 said: more than enough to pay proper wages. we had enough money for the millenium dome and for wars in Iraq , Afghanistan and Libya . so affording wages of a man or women in the u.k , shouldn't be a problem your argument is disintegrating it is big business , the elites ,facilitated by the e.u, that are causing these " poverty " wages Its funny how those normally so "anti capitalism" cannot compute when faced with this argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newjez Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 29 minutes ago, bunbury61 said: more than enough to pay proper wages. we had enough money for the millenium dome and for wars in Iraq , Afghanistan and Libya . so affording wages of a man or women in the u.k , shouldn't be a problem your argument is disintegrating it is big business , the elites ,facilitated by the e.u, that are causing these " poverty " wages I don't disagree with the above. Lots of money has been wasted that shouldn't be. I also don't disagree with the principle. But the practicality is, you have to ask wealthy old people to make a choice between immigration or a reduction in their wealth. They will choose to save their wealth everytime, unless you fudge the argument. Poor people will be compensated with higher wages, so you may have more luck getting them to vote for it. But governments that piss off old people don't stay in power for long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newjez Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Well for us, it's been a year since visiting the gp about my son's kidney problems to getting a date for surgery. It's just a game we are learning to play. It's seems half the battle is getting a referral for a diagnosis. If we had been more pushy from the start we probably would have got an early result. It will have been four months since seeing the surgeon that he has his surgery, and that is for an urgent case. I do not remember it being anything like this ten years ago. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoDemocracy Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 10 hours ago, newjez said: Well for us, it's been a year since visiting the gp about my son's kidney problems to getting a date for surgery. It's just a game we are learning to play. It's seems half the battle is getting a referral for a diagnosis. If we had been more pushy from the start we probably would have got an early result. It will have been four months since seeing the surgeon that he has his surgery, and that is for an urgent case. I do not remember it being anything like this ten years ago. Sorry you have been having such a tough time dealing with the NHS, I hope it is all successful, do keep us updated on his progress.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rallyman Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 (edited) On 31/07/2018 at 20:44, newjez said: Well for us, it's been a year since visiting the gp about my son's kidney problems to getting a date for surgery. It's just a game we are learning to play. It's seems half the battle is getting a referral for a diagnosis. If we had been more pushy from the start we probably would have got an early result. It will have been four months since seeing the surgeon that he has his surgery, and that is for an urgent case. I do not remember it being anything like this ten years ago. Wishing your son a speedy recovery why do you think we are waiting longer to see doctors today compared to 10 years ago ? Possibly an increasing population ? Edited August 3, 2018 by Rallyman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newjez Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 3 hours ago, Rallyman said: Wishing your son a speedy recovery why do you think we are waiting longer to see doctors today compared to 10 years ago ? Possibly an increasing population ? It's unfortunate, but we have been regular uses of the NHS over the past twelve years. Recently it has changed for the worse. I can't put it into figures, but it is very obvious the system is under pressure, and the medical staff freely admit this. Ironically, it is the administration which seems to be suffering the most. We have been called several times to tell us we have missed appointments we haven't been told about. They don't seem to be able to communicate between departments. People have always said we should be spending money on doctors and nurses and not on administration. But an organisation of that size does need administration. Otherwise it's chaos. We were talking to the surgeon who had to keep us waiting for 45 mins while he chased up admin to send him our scans. Simple things like that create lots of wastage. If you try and save money on the oil, the engine will grind to a halt. But oil is the thing an accountant will cut, as on the bottom line it is just a cost and doesn't produce. I'm not saying the system is falling apart. But we are waiting longer, and it's taking longer than it has previously. I 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisher1 Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 On 24/11/2017 at 17:47, bristolman said: Here we go lol. We have had fantastic care from the NHS, can't complain at all. No system is perfect of course but it's certainly the best system we have needed to use. You may well have had excellent care from the N H S but not everyone does- it really seems to depend where you live. It was really difficult to get a gp appointment when I left 11 months ago, but I understand it is even worse now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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