189 Early Childhood Teacher skill assessment question!

[BrightB]

 

Hello, everyone! 

I am getting my papers ready to apply for a skill assessment (Early Childhood Teacher)!

Has anyone done this one? I've seen lots of primary/secondary teachers but can't see any early childhood teachers!

Anyway, I am looking at the points for 189 visa as well and was wondering if my skills assessment is successful, can I get points for "An award or qualification recognised by the relevant assessing authority for your nominated skilled occupation"? I have completed PGCE Primary (3-7) and MA in Early Years Education in England.

Thanks in advance x  

[Bran]

My partner has just submitted his skills assessment application, and he did the same PGCE as you.

Based on your qualifications, I would expect you to get 15 points for the bachelors category.

 

 

[BrightB]

33 minutes ago, Bran said:

My partner has just submitted his skills assessment application, and he did the same PGCE as you.

Based on your qualifications, I would expect you to get 15 points for the bachelors category.

 

 

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Hi, Bran x glad to find someone who's applying for Early Childhood teacher! 

I thought I would get 15 points for a Bachelor degree AND hoping to add 10 points from "An award or qualification recognised by the relevant assessing authority for your nominated skilled occupation" - I thought PGCE would be this. Do you think I am mistaken? I am not sure where to ask to be honest! 

Anyway, good luck to your partner's skill assessment! I am sending mine out tomorrow x 

[Bran]

As far as I know, you can only claim against 1 category, but I may be wrong? [emoji52]

Hope all goes well for you [emoji846]


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[BrightB]

1 hour ago, Bran said:

As far as I know, you can only claim against 1 category, but I may be wrong?

Hope all goes well for you


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You might be right. Otherwise, it would be too easy haha...

I need 5 points more so I may have to take IELTS again! Ha! Never ends! 

[cerim]

On 8/5/2017 at 22:09, BrightB said:

 

Hello, everyone! 

I am getting my papers ready to apply for a skill assessment (Early Childhood Teacher)!

Has anyone done this one? I've seen lots of primary/secondary teachers but can't see any early childhood teachers!

Anyway, I am looking at the points for 189 visa as well and was wondering if my skills assessment is successful, can I get points for "An award or qualification recognised by the relevant assessing authority for your nominated skilled occupation"? I have completed PGCE Primary (3-7) and MA in Early Years Education in England.

Thanks in advance x  

Hi there,

 

I'm looking into courses to go this route and have option of either a 3 year BA Primary Studies with QTS or a 2 year intense BA Early Years and care with EYPS plus i'd need a top up PGCE in Primary...Its a real mindfield as Oz criteria states you need a 4 year degree which i don't want to commit to if there are quicker options. My question is do you know whether QTS is sufficient or whether you have to have a PGCE to teach. Either route I will need a top up year so don't know whether to gain a 3 year  teach qualification and get PGCE in Early Years specifically or vice versa. I have a cache diploma  NNEB which is worthless now as ACECQA only view this equivalent to Cert 3 level....

[Quoll]

1 hour ago, cerim said:

Hi there,

 

I'm looking into courses to go this route and have option of either a 3 year BA Primary Studies with QTS or a 2 year intense BA Early Years and care with EYPS plus i'd need a top up PGCE in Primary...Its a real mindfield as Oz criteria states you need a 4 year degree which i don't want to commit to if there are quicker options. My question is do you know whether QTS is sufficient or whether you have to have a PGCE to teach. Either route I will need a top up year so don't know whether to gain a 3 year  teach qualification and get PGCE in Early Years specifically or vice versa. I have a cache diploma  NNEB which is worthless now as ACECQA only view this equivalent to Cert 3 level....

When they say 4 years they mean 4 years at Uni with the prerequisite number of hours supervised teaching practice. So, no, QTS is not sufficient unless it was gained after a 3 year degree +PGCE or a 4 year degree in Education. 

[cerim]

So frustrating as the QTS Primary offers 120 days min supervised teaching practice....I did contact a section in QLD government who work closely with the industry and even they said take the QTS and assess on completion as an additional year as NQT may be sufficient ...but a lot to risk on a whim of things may change....having to think and decide quickly as need to accept something...looking into child development 3 years degrees and take from there.  

 

So what you are saying is 3 years in Primary with teaching practice 120 days would still be useless...what if I followed with  a PGCE/D /MA in Early Years or Special needs specialism

[Quoll]

7 hours ago, cerim said:

So frustrating as the QTS Primary offers 120 days min supervised teaching practice....I did contact a section in QLD government who work closely with the industry and even they said take the QTS and assess on completion as an additional year as NQT may be sufficient ...but a lot to risk on a whim of things may change....having to think and decide quickly as need to accept something...looking into child development 3 years degrees and take from there.  

 

So what you are saying is 3 years in Primary with teaching practice 120 days would still be useless...what if I followed with  a PGCE/D /MA in Early Years or Special needs specialism

Yes, a 3 year degree in Education even with decades of experience is still useless. If you did another year at a recognised Uni then you would have 4 years University based training and that would meet the criteria assuming the course includes the defined number of supervised practice hours. There really is no short cut. 

 

[niamhmulk]

11 hours ago, cerim said:

So frustrating as the QTS Primary offers 120 days min supervised teaching practice....I did contact a section in QLD government who work closely with the industry and even they said take the QTS and assess on completion as an additional year as NQT may be sufficient ...but a lot to risk on a whim of things may change....having to think and decide quickly as need to accept something...looking into child development 3 years degrees and take from there.  

 

So what you are saying is 3 years in Primary with teaching practice 120 days would still be useless...what if I followed with  a PGCE/D /MA in Early Years or Special needs specialism

No it's not useless if you do a Masters after it.

You don't do a PGCE after a 3 year teaching degree because you will already be a teacher. A PGCE is for people who have done a degree in a non-teaching related area. 

[cerim]

1 hour ago, niamhmulk said:

No it's not useless if you do a Masters after it.

You don't do a PGCE after a 3 year teaching degree because you will already be a teacher. A PGCE is for people who have done a degree in a non-teaching related area. 

oh you are the first positive person....yay...so if I wanted say a specialist in early years should a top up year be sufficient?  Do you have to have a years experience e.g Nqt year also...my problem is I turn 40 this year and they have now lowered the age criteria...my experience range from working with looked after children, children excluded from mainstream, teens and families as a support worker coordinator and sub misuse worker...will all this experience be wasted as only consider after qualification work?

[cerim]

I'm also nneb qualified but  acacqa only accept this as very 3 level outside of qld. I'm hoping to go to qld. .. however from my understanding for eyt status you still need primary registration...this is then requirement for 4 years...yet qld. .as yet queensland do not register eyt working in early years settings...

[Sammy1]

53 minutes ago, cerim said:

oh you are the first positive person....yay...so if I wanted say a specialist in early years should a top up year be sufficient?  Do you have to have a years experience e.g Nqt year also...my problem is I turn 40 this year and they have now lowered the age criteria...my experience range from working with looked after children, children excluded from mainstream, teens and families as a support worker coordinator and sub misuse worker...will all this experience be wasted as only consider after qualification work?

What Quoll told you was perfectly correct. You must have four years of university study as a minimum, there is no 'quick fix' around it.

If you do a three year primary education degree and then a one year MA in early childhood (as you have suggested as one possibility), that will still not qualify you as an early childhood teacher here unless you have supervised teaching practicums within the early childhood studies MA.

An MA by itself as a top up year would only qualify you as being able to register as a primary school teacher (as that is what your initial degree would be in). Registration boards will look very carefully to make sure that there are teaching practicums within any top up specialisms. If an MA has that, excellent, if not, then it does not qualify you as an early childhood teacher.

Either way, you must have four years of university education. If you are specifically looking at early childhood then you must do some more research on courses as requirements are very strict here. Are there any four year early education courses in the UK? I have been away so long that I have no idea. If there are, then seriously consider those. Australia is purely interested in your teaching qualifications and whether they meet the same requirements that graduates face here.

 

Edited August 23, 2017 by Sammy1

[Bran]

@Sammy1 do you have any insight into the specific requirements for supervised teaching in the 0-2 range?

If a PGCE was done in the UK across the 3-7 range, what level would this be equivalent to in Aus? From what I can tell from ACECQA, it would be a diploma level.

If so, what can be done with this work wise, and what are the options study wise to top up in order to qualify as a ECT?


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[cerim]

Hi Bran,

 

Hope this helps as I have done a ton of research with ACECQA they specify on their website that an ECT must be

n September 2013, ACECQA determined that a person who holds ALL of the following will be recognised as equivalent to an early childhood teacher:

• a primary teaching qualification that includes at least a focus on children aged 5 to 8 years old (e.g. a qualification with a focus on children aged 3 to 8 or 5 to 12) AND
• teacher registration in Australia (called ‘accreditation’ in New South Wales) AND
• an ACECQA approved diploma level (or higher) education and care qualification.

You would be considered a primary teacher with a PGCE (plus 3 year degree), and you could use your PGCE towards RPL on a diploma course (required by ACECQA) or towards a masters in early years if  you gained credit with your PGCE...but it would need to be a course recognised by ACECQA and this is difficult to guess for the UK equivalent...I am still researching this...though there are early years masters with practical components and you would need practicals with 0-2 age range. There are also Uk conversion courses for Primary teachers to early Years Teachers which may be an option ...I think Bristol offer them and as a graduate you can do this within 1 year or 3 months if you are working in a setting of early Years and have so much practical experience check out Bristol Uni.

When I contacted ACECQA  work experiences is not enough it must be within a course supervised placement context..and have so many days placement. There are also cheaper options through PACEY who offer practical level 5 EYPS courses for around £2000 with 3 different routes...you will need a practical work placement for this though. With your PGCE so long as you have a 3 year degree I think the Pacey course would be sufficient to meet diploma level requirements as a level 5 equates to a foundation degree in Australia...although this is NOT a foundation degree but a new course been rolled out in Uk to increase early years workers skill levels giving recognised industry status.

I have a Cache level 3 NNEB in Nursery Nursing  and even at this level there was a heavy focus on practical elements of child care eg feeding, nappy changes, working with parent, legislation, curriculum planning..Early Years is very different for teaching in the fact it covers a lot of practical care components and a foundation curriculum focussed on 0-5 yrs. My course was 3 years and covered over 120 practical days and even this isn't high enough for diploma level with ACECQA, came back as a cert level 4, which doesn't exist so marked down as level 3 certificate level. I now have to either use RPL to top up to diploma level (which you can't do online from Uk-must be in Australia and pay for entire 2 year course at international student fees just to cover a few modules). Very expensive or bite the bullet and get RPL towards a similar in UK

Hope this helps ....what did you do your degree in?

 

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[cerim]

Thanks sammy1 and Quoll,

 

All info very much appreciated xx

Yep An MA specifically in early Years and primary with practical components is what I meant (e.g. gaining the four years in total with a 3 year Primary QTS degree and gaining ACECQA acceptance at same time.

and plus a year as a newly qualified teacher  so 5 years totaI.

This route pushes me to the 45 yrs age limit for migration purposes.

I spoke to Study Options Australia who also clarified that if I completed the 2 years condensed BA (Honours)Early Years and Care (EYPS) in the UK (this has 700 hours practical components with 0-5 yrs) so long as the uni can state it is the same content and condensed version of the  3 years degree they offer  with the full 360 credits (which it is), then this should be acceptable as equal to a 3 year degree in Australia  also (plus also giving me the practical components for ACECQA ). It should also be classed as Primary Teaching for Australian Teaching Registration so long as it is followed with a PGCE with QTS . Alternatively I may do a Masters of Primary in Australia?

Oh what to do...I'll be ready for retirement by the time I qualify Ha ha.

 

 

[Bran]

Thanks for the information cerium, very useful!

It's actually my partner who has the qualifications. He did a 3 year BA English and the separate PGCE in early years. Supervised teaching is also all in order, so confident the skills assessment will be ok.

I'm thinking he'll have to work and study to top up with the qualification. I've noticed some jobs being offered on the condition that the candidate is willing to study towards what is needed for ECT status.




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[cerim]

Exciting times...Tell  him to look at  Goodstart they offer  457 sponsorship opportunities and all over OZ... don't know whether you need their diploma level first though?

Best of luck ....keep in touch how you get on ..

 

[Bran]

@cerim he's actually going the 189 route , so a bit easier for us. Study Options looks like they could provide some good information, will have to look at that further down the line.






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[Guest Anna9879]

Hi Guys,

 

So for ECE, assessed by AITSL?

And also is a 3 years Bachelors followed by a PGCEI (international) valid? Do we need QTS to get a successful assessment from AITSL?

[Bran]

@Anna I'm not sure if QTS is needed to be honest, I would imagine it would be. Our agent did ask for the certificate as evidence though for the skills assessment.

Perhaps someone else in the know on the forums can confirm for you


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[Richard Gregan]

QTS doesn't mean anything outside of the UK.

You need 4 years full time university level education and the teaching qualification part of that must be at least one year and include supervised placement in a pre-primary/early years setting across the age range birth to 8 years (if you are going for the pre-primary/early years route that is).

Regards,

 

Richard

 

 

Edited October 4, 2017 by Richard Gregan

[Guest Anna9879]

7 hours ago, Richard Gregan said:

QTS doesn't mean anything outside of the UK.

You need 4 years full time university level education and the teaching qualification part of that must be at least one year and include supervised placement in a pre-primary/early years setting across the age range birth to 8 years (if you are going for the pre-primary/early years route that is).

Regards,

 

Richard

 

 

thank you,

So my 3 year Bachelors followed by 1 year PGCE (overseas) would be valid? since I did the STP (2 months) overseas, my course is not eligible for QTS.

[Richard Gregan]

It should be provided that you can obtain a letter from the university who issued the PGCE, confirming that you undertook a minimum of 45 days supervised teaching practice with pupils across the specified age range.

Regards,

Richard

[Guest Anna9879]

2 hours ago, Richard Gregan said:

It should be provided that you can obtain a letter from the university who issued the PGCE, confirming that you undertook a minimum of 45 days supervised teaching practice with pupils across the specified age range.

Regards,

Richard

okay, so they are not picky about QTS then. I thought the teaching qualification, should be eligible for registration in the country of qualification. And does it matter what the bachelors is in?

 

And is there possibility of early childhood teachers being taken off the list anytime soon?

Edited October 5, 2017 by Anna9879