BacktoDemocracy Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 (edited) 42 minutes ago, kungfustu said: 31 minutes ago, Sunset said: I read it, granted while eating toast but hey ho. Bottom line a fair system is one where everyone contributes the same amount. Regardless of wage amount how rich you are or what else could be used as an excuse, the service being provided is the same regardless - using your system would mean because i own a jag i pay more for an MOT than you with your old vauxhall viva wouldn't it - because i earn more than you I should pay more for bread or a maccas? So you would be happy as a nurse whose pay has not kept up with inflation for 7 years to pay the same rate of tax as someone being paid multi millions, so the nurse keeps roughly around 83% of 28000, about 22800, the man getting say 3,000,000 gets to keep around 2,450,000, he works no more hours than the nurse, has not necessarily had to study more than the nurse, doesn't have to work unsociable hours , doesn't have to wipe dirty bottoms or clean up dirty beds, that nurse might think the 3mill man was being a bit selfish and was enjoying a bit of a free ride, especially when he comes into A&E when he crashes his jag at midnight. All the rest about differential pricing in the shops is smoke screen for a belief that taxes are inherently unfair on the rich and that in some mysterious way because you are paid more you should be just allowed to keep it and the stupid ones who don't make the big money just have to lump it. Edited June 13, 2017 by BacktoDemocracy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 1 minute ago, BacktoDemocracy said: So you would be happy as a nurse whose pay has not kept up with inflation for 7 years to pay the same rate of tax as someone being paid multi millions, so the nurse keeps roughly around 83% of 28000, about 22800, the man getting say 3,000,000 gets to keep around 2,450,000, he works no more hours than the nurse has not necessarily had to study more than the nurse, doesn't have to work unsociable hours , doesn't have to wipe dirty bottoms or clean up dirty beds, that nurse might think the 3mill man was being a bit selfish and was enjoying a bit of a free ride, especially when he comes into A&E when he crashes his jag at midnight. All the rest about differential pricing in the shops is smoke screen for a belief that taxes are inherently unfair on the rich and that in some mysterious way because you are paid more you should be just allowed to keep it and the stupid ones who don't make the big money just have to lump it. You are blah blah blahing now which is understandable, typical response really. I have no issue with someone earning way more than me I do have an issue with that same person paying less tax on a higher wage, soooooooooooo make it a fair system where everyone pays at treatment level, same as buying a burger the burger price is the same for the queen as it is for you and me mate. If you want that extra bit of fluff and really want a newspaper with your morning coffee then yeah go private and pay for that privilege, but a bog standard NHS should be paid into the same by all who use it at the time it is used like purchasing a burger or a bottle of milk, or maybe have a system for those on the dole where they pay X amount out from dole or low wages after services received via NHS but at the same costs as everyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simmo Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 16 minutes ago, BacktoDemocracy said: So you would be happy as a nurse whose pay has not kept up with inflation for 7 years to pay the same rate of tax as someone being paid multi millions, so the nurse keeps roughly around 83% of 28000, about 22800, the man getting say 3,000,000 gets to keep around 2,450,000, he works no more hours than the nurse, has not necessarily had to study more than the nurse, doesn't have to work unsociable hours , doesn't have to wipe dirty bottoms or clean up dirty beds, that nurse might think the 3mill man was being a bit selfish and was enjoying a bit of a free ride, especially when he comes into A&E when he crashes his jag at midnight. All the rest about differential pricing in the shops is smoke screen for a belief that taxes are inherently unfair on the rich and that in some mysterious way because you are paid more you should be just allowed to keep it and the stupid ones who don't make the big money just have to lump it. I would be happy to pay more for nhs. I think the same care should be banded by means to pay. That doesn't mean people that pay zero in should get the same BTW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoDemocracy Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 13 minutes ago, simmo said: I would be happy to pay more for nhs. I think the same care should be banded by means to pay. That doesn't mean people that pay zero in should get the same BTW. So those that pay least get to die quicker, well I suppose it's one way of dealing with the old age epidemic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simmo Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 1 minute ago, BacktoDemocracy said: So those that pay least get to die quicker, well I suppose it's one way of dealing with the old age epidemic. no, as long as you pay what you can afford you should get the same service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoDemocracy Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 28 minutes ago, Sunset said: You are blah blah blahing now which is understandable, typical response really. I have no issue with someone earning way more than me I do have an issue with that same person paying less tax on a higher wage, soooooooooooo make it a fair system where everyone pays at treatment level, same as buying a burger the burger price is the same for the queen as it is for you and me mate. If you want that extra bit of fluff and really want a newspaper with your morning coffee then yeah go private and pay for that privilege, but a bog standard NHS should be paid into the same by all who use it at the time it is used like purchasing a burger or a bottle of milk, or maybe have a system for those on the dole where they pay X amount out from dole or low wages after services received via NHS but at the same costs as everyone else. So the ultimate Thatcher adherent,' there's no such thing as society' just the individual. Where do you propose to locate the euthanasia booths for those who are simply considered no longer worthy of being kept alive as they are too great a drain on those with money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoDemocracy Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 10 minutes ago, simmo said: no, as long as you pay what you can afford you should get the same service. If you read what you wrote originally that is not what you said or was the original a Freudian slip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LKC Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 If, for example, a GP visit costs GBP30, then obviously that charge is going to have a bigger impact on someone who earns minimum wage than someone who earns GBP100K a year. Maybe things should be done more fairly by percentage, with those at the top who will miss it the least paying a touch more (that they wouldn't miss) than those at the bottom who can't afford it (and who would miss it the most). Oh, wait...! Isn't this what tax brackets do? We are in the higher tax bracket (for now - we sure won't be when we move back to the UK!) and are quite happy to pay a bit extra if it helps someone who has been less fortunate than us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 13 minutes ago, BacktoDemocracy said: So the ultimate Thatcher adherent,' there's no such thing as society' just the individual. Where do you propose to locate the euthanasia booths for those who are simply considered no longer worthy of being kept alive as they are too great a drain on those with money. Yes... thatcher, what a woman!!! How about those old fashioned gas meter things by the bed 50p for an hour say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simmo Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 17 minutes ago, BacktoDemocracy said: If you read what you wrote originally that is not what you said or was the original a Freudian slip. what i mean is you can't just turn up from bongo bong land and expect the same service as old mrs Jones who has worked in the bakery all her life and paid her stamps every week. How is that fair or viable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newjez Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 7 hours ago, kungfustu said: That money tree in Corbyns front garden.......duh! May is the pm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritChickx Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 (edited) I'd much prefer it if we had a re-election Edited June 13, 2017 by BritChickx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoDemocracy Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 1 hour ago, Sunset said: Yes... thatcher, what a woman!!! How about those old fashioned gas meter things by the bed 50p for an hour say? Well is that what passes for a joke on both subjects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 24 minutes ago, BacktoDemocracy said: Well is that what passes for a joke on both subjects. A winks not a smile but a smiling wink is another story ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoDemocracy Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 59 minutes ago, Sunset said: A winks not a smile but a smiling wink is another story ? Is that supposed to pass for an informed comment that adds to the debate or just a dead cat to shut it down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoDemocracy Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 11 minutes ago, simmo said: I didn't realise anyone was making any excuses on behalf of "the Black & Tans or the Auxiliaries, or the UVF, UDA" how about Hitler? you haven't mentioned him yet. #strawman Another dead cat on the forum table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simmo Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 1 minute ago, BacktoDemocracy said: Another dead cat on the forum table. is "dead cat" you equivelent of a fidget spinner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoDemocracy Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 1 hour ago, simmo said: is "dead cat" you equivelent of a fidget spinner? You have a bag full of dead cats, instead of derailing sensible debate with asinine comments how about treating people on here as intelligent adults, between yourself and Sunset you seem to just want to play'jack the lad, treating life like a procession of jokes put on just for your benefit. One of the reasons I was happy to leave Australia was because of the sense of entitlement and selfishness exhibited by a certain segment of society. Now you can spend the next 10 pages slagging me of for going "pop" about your silliness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simmo Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 8 minutes ago, BacktoDemocracy said: You have a bag full of dead cats, instead of derailing sensible debate with asinine comments how about treating people on here as intelligent adults, between yourself and Sunset you seem to just want to play'jack the lad, treating life like a procession of jokes put on just for your benefit. One of the reasons I was happy to leave Australia was because of the sense of entitlement and selfishness exhibited by a certain segment of society. Now you can spend the next 10 pages slagging me of for going "pop" about your silliness. come on now. Lets stop the silly personal stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 7 hours ago, BacktoDemocracy said: Is that supposed to pass for an informed comment that adds to the debate or just a dead cat to shut it down No dead cat just a light hearted return, obviously swooshed over your ever so down the middle head. I read this morning junior doctors will be doing the rounds at surgeries soon is this because fully qualified doctors can't cope with patient demand or is it that they could do it if they had more pay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newjez Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 1 hour ago, Sunset said: No dead cat just a light hearted return, obviously swooshed over your ever so down the middle head. I read this morning junior doctors will be doing the rounds at surgeries soon is this because fully qualified doctors can't cope with patient demand or is it that they could do it if they had more pay? Have you not been following the debate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 13 minutes ago, newjez said: Have you not been following the debate? Which one theres three upto now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simmo Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 you gotta laugh at Corbyn 1979-Callaghan 269 seats, resigned. 1992-Kinnock 271 seats, resigned. 2017-Corbyn 262 seats, claims victory & orders the winner to resign 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simmo Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 Farage: Many Students Voted Twice in UK Election well that kind of p!sses on corbyns parade a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amibovered Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 1 hour ago, simmo said: you gotta laugh at Corbyn 1979-Callaghan 269 seats, resigned. 1992-Kinnock 271 seats, resigned. 2017-Corbyn 262 seats, claims victory & orders the winner to resign He has to hang on to make sure Brexit goes through, won't take any chances on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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