NHS is dying.

[Perthbum]

1 hour ago, BacktoDemocracy said:

No I didn't watch it, I can't bear any longer to see the state it is in and the state staff are in after watching the smug supercilious Hunt stand there telling everyone how well it's doing, hanging, drawing and quartering is too good for him. 

 

[newjez]

Seems some schools are looking to actively discourage students with special needs to save money. Tis a shame, as there isn't really anywhere for them to go to nowadays.

What really worries me is that education and health are meant to be ring fenced. What is happening to the rest of the public service?

[newjez]

Don't know much about the NHS.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/08/nhs-staff-quitting-to-work-in-supermarkets-because-of-poor-pay

But my wife is a teacher and she has been told she now has to work through an agency. She would earn less than a teaching assistant, the agency is an offshore private company and won't pay her pension and probably not her NI.

We're going to tell them to shove it on principle.

[Guest]

On 4/29/2017 at 0:39 AM, bristolman said:

In what way do we need an Australian styled system?  Australia is suffering all the same issues from what I understand so how would that help ? 

A system where you pay first to see a doctor then get any rebates depending on circumstance. It would go a long way in helping the cash flow within the NHS. A free for all does not work within a massive population such as the UK's, here the population is smaller but a fairer system based on pay what you can afford not what you can get away with.

[BacktoDemocracy]

5 hours ago, Sunset said:

A system where you pay first to see a doctor then get any rebates depending on circumstance. It would go a long way in helping the cash flow within the NHS. A free for all does not work within a massive population such as the UK's, here the population is smaller but a fairer system based on pay what you can afford not what you can get away with.

I simply don't understand that comment, everyone who works in the UK pays NI and that is a massive amount every week.

Oh, I get it you are referring to all those immigrants and health tourists beloved of the The Daily Mail and UKIP scare stories, its nothing to do with the fact that the population is ageing rapidly with 75 year olds living despite eating all the wrong things , smoking and drinking to excess,  that's where the real problem is, that and the appalling standard of housing that many old people live in, the lack of staff due to poor pay and conditions and the rest of the problems , ad nauseum.

Yet again it's the fault of those damned immigrants, nothing to do with a govt which is ideologically opposed to socialised medical care. 

 

[Guest]

20 minutes ago, BacktoDemocracy said:

I simply don't understand that comment, everyone who works in the UK pays NI and that is a massive amount every week.

Oh, I get it you are referring to all those immigrants and health tourists beloved of the The Daily Mail and UKIP scare stories, its nothing to do with the fact that the population is ageing rapidly with 75 year olds living despite eating all the wrong things , smoking and drinking to excess,  that's where the real problem is, that and the appalling standard of housing that many old people live in, the lack of staff due to poor pay and conditions and the rest of the problems , ad nauseum.

Yet again it's the fault of those damned immigrants, nothing to do with a govt which is ideologically opposed to socialised medical care. 

 

You are so wrong 

[BacktoDemocracy]

3 hours ago, Sunset said:

You are so wrong 

Tell me which bit I am so wrong on.

[Guest]

17 minutes ago, BacktoDemocracy said:

Tell me which bit I am so wrong on.

Me talking about migrants etc, so wrong.

[BacktoDemocracy]

Well I see Hunt is already blaming the EU for any future failings in the NHS, at the weekend he said the Tories want to do a deal with the EU but of course if they wouldn't give us what we want then that would obviously impact the NHS and it be the of the EU, where has that 345m gone that was going to revolutionise the NHS.

These people will blame anything to hide how much they loathe the NHS and want to see it put up for grabs to their mates  in the city,    .

[BacktoDemocracy]

54 minutes ago, Sunset said:

Me talking about migrants etc, so wrong.

I always  had the impression that you were anti immigration, if not my apologies.

[BacktoDemocracy]

2 hours ago, Sunset said:

Me talking about migrants etc, so wrong.

You are not Trump in disguise are you, you seem to be using his twitter syntax. 

[BacktoDemocracy]

12 hours ago, newjez said:

Don't know much about the NHS.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/08/nhs-staff-quitting-to-work-in-supermarkets-because-of-poor-pay

But my wife is a teacher and she has been told she now has to work through an agency. She would earn less than a teaching assistant, the agency is an offshore private company and won't pay her pension and probably not her NI.

We're going to tell them to shove it on principle.

What is your wife going to do for a job, you must be well p*ssed. The state sector will soon be  being run entirely by amateurs and unqualified people, it's starting to show thro everywhere, this is obviously the reason for the nonsense of grammar schools, we are heading back to the 'grammars' and sec moderns with crap teaching staff for the rest. These Tories are worse than ever you can ever imagine.

I know you are aware of how the political situation is developing but surely people are starting to realise that now the middle classes are being screwed by this govts approach to public services and reducing govt spending.

[simmo]

2 hours ago, BacktoDemocracy said:

I always  had the impression that you were anti immigration, if not my apologies.

things change

[newjez]

1 hour ago, BacktoDemocracy said:

What is your wife going to do for a job, you must be well p*ssed. The state sector will soon be  being run entirely by amateurs and unqualified people, it's starting to show thro everywhere, this is obviously the reason for the nonsense of grammar schools, we are heading back to the 'grammars' and sec moderns with crap teaching staff for the rest. These Tories are worse than ever you can ever imagine.

I know you are aware of how the political situation is developing but surely people are starting to realise that now the middle classes are being screwed by this govts approach to public services and reducing govt spending.

Not sure yet - there is no supply work around due to the cut backs - but she could do private tuition.

Think you may have been a bit harsh with Sunset too - I thought he seemed ok.

[BacktoDemocracy]

3 hours ago, newjez said:

Not sure yet - there is no supply work around due to the cut backs - but she could do private tuition.

Think you may have been a bit harsh with Sunset too - I thought he seemed ok.

I did apologise, I did feel that the thrust was about immigration pressures and abuses, but if I was mistaken then my apologies.

I am just a bit sensitive at the moment as the Tories misrepresent themselves and their policies as if where we are has nothing to do with any of their policies, from the NHS to education to the, so called, gig economy. 

[Guest]

9 hours ago, BacktoDemocracy said:

I always  had the impression that you were anti immigration, if not my apologies.

I am not in favour of immigration at the levels seen across europe without a proper control at least, the open door policy was stupid and as now been shown to be just that.

Past comments on this usually driven by other factors here, having family members working within the NHS you get a grassroots feel for what's actually going on.

Ordinary residence status is also a misleading and usually abused system by some, bottom line X amount comes in and YZ amounts in over spend = crisis.

Add up all the little dodges and it soon becomes a robbery. 

[Sandgroper]

On 2017-4-29 at 00:39, bristolman said:

In what way do we need an Australian styled system?  Australia is suffering all the same issues from what I understand so how would that help ? 

Australia doesn't seem to be suffering any of the same issues as the NHS I've found the system far superior out here, I had a 14 week wait for a Physio appointment on the NHS and have heard much worse horror stories, Oz system any day for me.

[amibovered]

Just before I left Australia I had a brain scan, suspected cyst, GP sent me to emergency at the Northern in Melbourne, they decided I was in no immediate danger but should see a neurologist, they'd make the appointment, about 8 weeks later I got a letter from them, it said the waiting list was more than 12 months, did I want to stay on the list, if you think things are better in the hospital system at least in Victoria, then you are kidding yourself.    

[Parley]

6 minutes ago, amibovered said:

Just before I left Australia I had a brain scan, suspected cyst, GP sent me to emergency at the Northern in Melbourne, they decided I was in no immediate danger but should see a neurologist, they'd make the appointment, about 8 weeks later I got a letter from them, it said the waiting list was more than 12 months, did I want to stay on the list, if you think things are better in the hospital system at least in Victoria, then you are kidding yourself.    

If your own doctor believes you require urgent treatment it would get done quickly.

In your position I would be getting my doctor to makes sure it was done quickly.

[amibovered]

16 minutes ago, Parley said:

If your own doctor believes you require urgent treatment it would get done quickly.

In your position I would be getting my doctor to makes sure it was done quickly.

thank you for your concern, as it happens we were heading back to the UK shortly after that so I saw a neurologist here, probably been in there for over 50 years he reckons, but any sudden or severe headaches I should head off to the hospital, probably good advice for most people I'd say!!! 

[Guest]

On 5/9/2017 at 09:22, Sunset said:

Ordinary residence status is also a misleading and usually abused system by some, bottom line X amount comes in and YZ amounts in over spend = crisis.

Add up all the little dodges and it soon becomes a robbery. 

This video by NHS staff is worth a few minutes of your time (yes its election time but its still worth a watch) . The health tourism bit and the cost of running the NHS for 15 hours is a bit of an eye opener. 

In fact, the entire thing is.

 

[Guest]

3 hours ago, snifter said:

This video by NHS staff is worth a few minutes of your time (yes its election time but its still worth a watch) . The health tourism bit and the cost of running the NHS for 15 hours is a bit of an eye opener. 

In fact, the entire thing is.

 

I did watch it and i did wonder just how many are actually NHS workers or just paid actors?

My reference to health tourism is part of the issue as i explained in my previous post little bits add up and eventually it breaks simple physics really.

I don't care much for political adverts because they all  do the same thing.......lie.

But thanks for sharing and making others aware of this issue within the NHS.

This is more to my liking in the silly season that is politics time. 

You see i have no affiliation with either party, but if I did it would be conservative and thats taking on board all of good old Frankies view points.

[BacktoDemocracy]

On 5/24/2017 at 12:24, Sunset said:

I did watch it and i did wonder just how many are actually NHS workers or just paid actors?

My reference to health tourism is part of the issue as i explained in my previous post little bits add up and eventually it breaks simple physics really.

I don't care much for political adverts because they all  do the same thing.......lie.

But thanks for sharing and making others aware of this issue within the NHS.

This is more to my liking in the silly season that is politics time. 

You see i have no affiliation with either party, but if I did it would be conservative and thats taking on board all of good old Frankies view points.

What does it actually take to convince you that the problem is underfunding, the UK under the Tories spends 38% of GDP on state provision and intends to reduce it to below 36%, whilst the rest of western Europe spends between 44% to 50%, which is why the NHS ranks at 28th against something like the low teens for Spain  and France in a recent survey published in the last month by the Lancet, a bit of fiddling by a few foreigners isn't the problem it's all the OAP'S who need repeat treatments for an extra 20 years and it is going to get worse as the elderly population grows and funding declines.

The reduction in funding for at home care and residential care will only pass the load back to the NHS and even the private sector cannot make residential care, home care or running small hospitals pay or succeed so it is not incompetent management in the state sector it is simply underfunding. (Look up how many nursing homes have closed in the last 12 months.)

[Guest]

45 minutes ago, BacktoDemocracy said:

What does it actually take to convince you that the problem is underfunding, the UK under the Tories spends 38% of GDP on state provision and intends to reduce it to below 36%, whilst the rest of western Europe spends between 44% to 50%, which is why the NHS ranks at 28th against something like the low teens for Spain  and France in a recent survey published in the last month by the Lancet, a bit of fiddling by a few foreigners isn't the problem it's all the OAP'S who need repeat treatments for an extra 20 years and it is going to get worse as the elderly population grows and funding declines.

The reduction in funding for at home care and residential care will only pass the load back to the NHS and even the private sector cannot make residential care, home care or running small hospitals pay or succeed so it is not incompetent management in the state sector it is simply underfunding. (Look up how many nursing homes have closed in the last 12 months.)

Time to start paying at source I think that would go someway to stopping the blame game.

[newjez]

5 hours ago, Sunset said:

Time to start paying at source I think that would go someway to stopping the blame game.

I agree, but it would be an election suicide. They would have to back door it. Didn't they do that with student university fees?