NHS is dying.

[Perthbum]

It really is bad over here...record waiting times, they are not doing hip replacements for 18 months and people wanting heart by-pass surgery will have to wait, they are hoping they will die on the waiting list.

 

NHS in crisis? The charts that show how health service performance hit record lows in December

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/09/nhs-crisis-charts-show-health-service-performance-hit-record/

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[Guest]

The NHS is a lot like a family car, fill it with fuel and it will do what it can fill it again but over fill the occupancy and the wheels will fall off eventually the engine goes tits up and then your in a world of hurt.

Edited April 1, 2017 by Sunset

[Perthbum]

5 hours ago, Sunset said:

The NHS is a lot like a family car, fill it with fuel and it will do what it can fill it again but over fill the occupancy and the wheels will fall off eventually the engine goes tits up and then your in a world of hurt.

The uk has the lowest funding per person of almost all of europe, they all spend more on their health care per person than the uk do. The tories need to raise taxes or NI to fund it better,

Edited April 1, 2017 by Perthbum

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Perthbum said:

The uk has the lowest funding per person of almost all of europe, they all spend more on their health care per person than the uk do. The tories need to raise taxes or NI to fund it better,

Wheels are a wobbling no room inside and no cash flowing in from outside anymore raising taxes will not work the uk needs an Australian styled health care system 

[amibovered]

The NHS is doing fine, no doubt it's under strain and the staff are working incredibly hard for average wages, but it's always been like this, I've been hearing the same crap for decades, my wife has just had a knee replacement, saw the specialist mid December, operation mid March, the care and follow up treatment has been outstanding, her sister had the same op in Melbourne, done via her insurance, in no way was her treatment better than my wife has received, no doubt the NHS could do with more money, show me a healthcare system that doesn't.  

[newjez]

40 minutes ago, amibovered said:

The NHS is doing fine, no doubt it's under strain and the staff are working incredibly hard for average wages, but it's always been like this, I've been hearing the same crap for decades, my wife has just had a knee replacement, saw the specialist mid December, operation mid March, the care and follow up treatment has been outstanding, her sister had the same op in Melbourne, done via her insurance, in no way was her treatment better than my wife has received, no doubt the NHS could do with more money, show me a healthcare system that doesn't.  

No, actually it's not, and neither is the education system. Both have a severe funding crisis, both have had funds cut despite what the Tories tell you, and both are failing due to lack of investment, and it's not going to get better soon.

[Perthbum]

11 hours ago, amibovered said:

The NHS is doing fine, no doubt it's under strain and the staff are working incredibly hard for average wages, but it's always been like this, I've been hearing the same crap for decades, my wife has just had a knee replacement, saw the specialist mid December, operation mid March, the care and follow up treatment has been outstanding, her sister had the same op in Melbourne, done via her insurance, in no way was her treatment better than my wife has received, no doubt the NHS could do with more money, show me a healthcare system that doesn't.  

yeh, sure it is hospitals closing and wards closing due to no staff....

Devon 'red line' protests over community hospital cuts

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-39466488

 

 

[Guest]

When the NHS was launched in 1948, it had a budget of £437 million (roughly £15 billion at today's value). For 2015/16, the overall NHS budget was around£116.4 billion. NHS England is managing £101.3 billion of this.Apr 13, 2016

[simmo]

here we go the same tedious Aus is better than the UK rubbish...  Yawn..zzzz

[NicF]

30 minutes ago, simmo said:

here we go the same tedious Aus is better than the UK rubbish...  Yawn..zzzz

Until your post there was no mention of Australia on this thread.  Plus look at who started it - definitely not designed to be an Aus is better than the UK thread.

Perthbum, I can't comment on the state of the NHS as it is now as I've not really paid much attention to what has been going on in the 4 and a half years I have been in Australia, but it would be a shame if the NHS stopped being the NHS I grew up with.  It was always a great healthcare system and far less confusing than the one here.  If I was still in the UK I would be happy to pay more taxes to ensure it's future.

[Perthbum]

8 hours ago, Sunset said:

When the NHS was launched in 1948, it had a budget of £437 million (roughly £15 billion at today's value). For 2015/16, the overall NHS budget was around£116.4 billion. NHS England is managing £101.3 billion of this.Apr 13, 2016

Well it is obviously not enough, UK is the lowest funded country of the major european countries.....tax needs to go up as the population lives longer.

[Guest]

49 minutes ago, Perthbum said:

Well it is obviously not enough, UK is the lowest funded country of the major european countries.....tax needs to go up as the population lives longer.

Or more needs doing as far as the non brits and free care go maybe?  Making those who can pay pay more than those who the system was intended for in the beginning.

[simmo]

2 hours ago, bristolman said:

Yes absolutely right, as you say I have heard the same ridiculous scaremongering for decades. The NHS is NOT dying, not even close. 

Like any other big business (and the NHS is massive) there is some fat to be trimmed

    

[Perthbum]

10 hours ago, Sunset said:

Or more needs doing as far as the non brits and free care go maybe?  Making those who can pay pay more than those who the system was intended for in the beginning.

Tired argument, immigrants put in far more than they take out and that's a fact, they are young working people who fund the treatment of a British aging population.

[Perthbum]

6 hours ago, bristolman said:

Yes absolutely right, as you say I have heard the same ridiculous scaremongering for decades. The NHS is NOT dying, not even close. 

LOL

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/09/nhs-crisis-charts-show-health-service-performance-hit-record/

[ali]

None of the political parties in government have stopped the decline of the NHS, there is still a postcode lottery for some treatments and the government need to recoup the costs of deliberate health tourists.

I worked in the NHS and it was declining, poor nurse patient ratios, 4 hour rules for ED, poor governance, loss of beds and in some cases whole units being closed.

[Keith and Linda]

1 hour ago, Perthbum said:

Tired argument, immigrants put in far more than they take out and that's a fact, they are young working people who fund the treatment of a British aging population.

It could be argued that the aging British population actually paid in advance!

[Keith and Linda]

9 minutes ago, ali said:

None of the political parties in government have stopped the decline of the NHS, there is still a postcode lottery for some treatments and the government need to recoup the costs of deliberate health tourists.

I worked in the NHS and it was declining, poor nurse patient ratios, 4 hour rules for ED, poor governance, loss of beds and in some cases whole units being closed.

Bring back Matron!

[Rallyman]

The influx of people arriving each year into the uk is going to have a effect on any  infrastructure, the NHS being a example with a growing population you have to improve it which sadly has not been the case hence where the uk finds itself. 

I honestly believe that a similar set up to Australia is required that if you have never worked or lived in the country you need to pay for private medical cover, only emergency cases would be covered reciprocally and after say 5 years you could benefit like everyone else. 

[Perthbum]

9 hours ago, ali said:

None of the political parties in government have stopped the decline of the NHS, there is still a postcode lottery for some treatments and the government need to recoup the costs of deliberate health tourists.

I worked in the NHS and it was declining, poor nurse patient ratios, 4 hour rules for ED, poor governance, loss of beds and in some cases whole units being closed.

And its getting worse Ali as funding for the NHS has declined in "real terms" over the last decade, wards and hospitals are closing faster than pubs. Its in a sorry state.

[BacktoDemocracy]

14 hours ago, simmo said:

Like any other big business (and the NHS is massive) there is some fat to be trimmed

    

The fat has been trimmed and now we are down to the bone and people are voting with their feet, the NHS is facing a recruitment crisis as overseas recruitment dries up due to Brexit and home grown staffing hits a wall due to low wages and lack of funding as nurses have to now pay for their own training.

Doctors refuse to be on the staff due to being able to go freelance and charge up to 1000 a day due to shortages.

As for blaming the problems on so called health tourism this is just racist headlines run by the Mail and the Telegraph and Express, when it can be bothered to do anything other than reporting so called cures for Altzeimers. 

 

[Perthbum]

from the NHS staff themselves.

 

Hospital staff across the country face constant pressure as they attempt to cope with too many patients, too few beds and a shortage of staff according to the latest Tonight programme.

And NHS doctors and watchdogs say pressures which used to be confined to winter time, now last all year long.

Tonight filmed in three hospitals: Colchester General, The Royal Devon and Exeter and Birmingham City Hospital's maternity department. Here staff tell us the pressures they face on a daily basis.

 

http://www.itv.com/news/2017-03-30/nhs-crisis-on-the-frontline-tonight/

[Guest]

Ask any nurse who migrated while staying in the profession why they gave up on the UK and the NHS as part of the reason for moving here, here as similar issues at times but no way is it that bad. Most would argue it was that frustrating at times that coupled with stagnant wages and poor conditions did make a choice a lot easier when making the migration.

THIS IS IN NO WAY INTENDED AS A OZ V UK BITE EITHER

Edited April 3, 2017 by Sunset
footnote addition before some start

[Perthbum]

The Tories are closing hospitals and wards weekly, the funding is almost the lowest in Europe...the only solution is raising taxes or NI and ring fence it for the NHS.......Ohhhhh wait, remember when we leave the the EU we will get 350 million a day extra....according to leading tories.

[simmo]

11 hours ago, Perthbum said:

Tired argument, immigrants put in far more than they take out and that's a fact, they are young working people who fund the treatment of a British aging population.

Rubbish