Brexit Poll

[simmo]

1 hour ago, BacktoDemocracy said:

What will happen is the Tories will be free to screw the working populace as much as they like without any constraints imposed by EU laws and Courts, which is what the Tory grandees have wanted ever since we joined the EU and why they object to it so vehemently, they want to be back in charge and if you haven't realised that then you are in for a nasty shock.

Cameron's conservative party was pro remain. So was May come to that.

[simmo]

4 hours ago, Gbye grey sky said:

You will still have no control. I find it amusing and a little quaint that people think that they will gain more control over anything at all.  UK will have the same government and all UK laws will need to be redrafted to mirror the EU laws.

You will have absolutely no say or control in the terms of Brexit.  The UK Government will have little control either in effect.

What transpires post-Brexit relies heavily on any deal that the UK can secure on future trade with the EU.  At best the UK should be ok.  Worst case is no trade deal leaving UK businesses with tariffs and quotas to overcome and a trade war with the EU.  It is this potential worst case that has led to a massive collapse in the currency since 2015 (when speculation on the then upcoming referendum gave the market jitters).  For example in 2015 I exchanged GBP at 2.15 AUD and it peaked at over 2.2.  Since the referendum it has been around 1.6 to 1.7 despite the strong economic news coming out of the UK.  And it is not just the AUD either, the GBP tanked against all major currencies simultaneously. The currency markets continue to be convinced that the UK will come out of Brexit badly.  Currencies simply do not tank when the economy is strong unless there is an underlying concern. 

You find it "a little quaint" do you? what, us "little englanders" might dare to imagine having more control over "anything at all"?

The remoaners certainly are of a type.

[amibovered]

The EU is the biggest scam in human history, it's purpose is to maximise corporate profit, and keep down workers income, shameful.

[BacktoDemocracy]

2 hours ago, simmo said:

Cameron's conservative party was pro remain. So was May come to that.

If you haven't noticed that the right wing of the Tories is now calling the shots then you are doomed.

I.D.S, Rees Mogg, Redwood and sundry other nationalist ideologues have hijacked the party and are pulling May's strings for her and have no interest in the country other than moulding it to their warped view of the world circa 1920 and GREAT Britain's then empire .

[simmo]

3 minutes ago, BacktoDemocracy said:

If you haven't noticed that the right wing of the Tories is now calling the shots then you are doomed.

I.D.S, Rees Mogg, Redwood and sundry other nationalist ideologues have hijacked the party and are pulling May's strings for her and have no interest in the country other than moulding it to their warped view of the world circa 1920 and GREAT Britain's then empire .

[BacktoDemocracy]

1 hour ago, amibovered said:

The EU is the biggest scam in human history, it's purpose is to maximise corporate profit, and keep down workers income, shameful.

And the Conservative party isn't, do you think the conservatives are going to tax the bankers, the big employers and the overseas internet media giants and give the little people a bonus every year.Whatever it is that you are on I want some of it, magic mushrooms? maybe

  

[BacktoDemocracy]

7 minutes ago, simmo said:

Absolutely right.

[Gbye grey sky]

6 hours ago, simmo said:

You find it "a little quaint" do you? what, us "little englanders" might dare to imagine having more control over "anything at all"?

The remoaners certainly are of a type.

What do the quotation marks around "little Englanders' denote?  There was no such reference in my post.

Anyway, hope you enjoy all the 'control' you have over your fellow countrymen but be sure to let everyone into the secret about what you personally will control in the near future.

For my part I always lived in a safe Tory seat as were all the constituencies around me.  My general election vote was irrelevant and my 'representative' in Parliament never represented my views.  The vast majority do not elect the party in power (do the maths, about 60% of eligible voters take part and about 35% of them elect a government that has an unassailable mandate) at any one time and even the 1 in 5 that do find out that they rarely keep their promises.

The 'control' you think you voted for is as illusory as that £350 million extra for the NHS.  You might notice a fair few less East Europeans in the future and err, that is it.

[newjez]

10 hours ago, amibovered said:

The sooner we can get out of this dysfunctional organisation the better, it's a shame we have to wait two years though! 

The world?

[newjez]

8 hours ago, simmo said:

Cameron's conservative party was pro remain. So was May come to that.

Not really.

[newjez]

6 hours ago, amibovered said:

The EU is the biggest scam in human history, it's purpose is to maximise corporate profit, and keep down workers income, shameful.

Most EU countries have much stronger workers rights than the UK. You might want to think about that for a bit. You can't have it both ways. Is it a left wing socialist paradise or is it a right wing corporate fascist fest?

[newjez]

23 minutes ago, Gbye grey sky said:

What do the quotation marks around "little Englanders' denote?  There was no such reference in my post.

Anyway, hope you enjoy all the 'control' you have over your fellow countrymen but be sure to let everyone into the secret about what you personally will control in the near future.

For my part I always lived in a safe Tory seat as were all the constituencies around me.  My general election vote was irrelevant and my 'representative' in Parliament never represented my views.  The vast majority do not elect the party in power (do the maths, about 60% of eligible voters take part and about 35% of them elect a government that has an unassailable mandate) at any one time and even the 1 in 5 that do find out that they rarely keep their promises.

The 'control' you think you voted for is as illusory as that £350 million extra for the NHS.  You might notice a fair few less East Europeans in the future and err, that is it.

Same. I can't even vote for the senate.

[simmo]

Reasons to be Optimistic about Brexit.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/02/24/boeing-selects-sheffield-first-british-manufacturing-plant/

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/apr/05/uk-services-sector-march-inflation

http://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/toyota-to-invest-240-million-in-derbyshire-factory-to-improve-competitiveness/story-30208043-detail/story.html#DwUo0tRqBvlc3XoG.99

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/feb/08/mclaren-automotive-manufacturing-plant-sheffield-200-jobs

http://facts4eu.org/news_apr_2017.shtml#uk_vehicle exports_surge

http://www.foodmanufacture.co.uk/People/Sausage-manufacturer-creates-jobs

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/business/north-of-scotland/1215445/craft-brewer-sets-sights-on-new-international-markets/

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/business/business-news/formica-creates-new-european-hq-12710728

 

[newjez]

49 minutes ago, simmo said:

Reasons to be Optimistic about Brexit.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/02/24/boeing-selects-sheffield-first-british-manufacturing-plant/

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/apr/05/uk-services-sector-march-inflation

http://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/toyota-to-invest-240-million-in-derbyshire-factory-to-improve-competitiveness/story-30208043-detail/story.html#DwUo0tRqBvlc3XoG.99

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/feb/08/mclaren-automotive-manufacturing-plant-sheffield-200-jobs

http://facts4eu.org/news_apr_2017.shtml#uk_vehicle exports_surge

http://www.foodmanufacture.co.uk/People/Sausage-manufacturer-creates-jobs

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/business/north-of-scotland/1215445/craft-brewer-sets-sights-on-new-international-markets/

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/business/business-news/formica-creates-new-european-hq-12710728

 

In comparison to the absence of investment beforehand?

 

It will be ten years before we know whether or not brexit will be positive. It might be, it might not be. But the risk has increased, hence the lower pound.

 

Edited April 7, 2017 by newjez

[simmo]

14 minutes ago, newjez said:

In comparison to the absence of investment beforehand?

 

It will be ten years before we know whether or not brexit will be positive. It might be, it might not be. But the risk has increased, hence the lower pound.

 

so we might NOT be doomed then? whoop whoop!

[newjez]

3 hours ago, simmo said:

so we might NOT be doomed then? whoop whoop!

It could well be positive. But there is a high risk that it won't be. But there is a much higher risk that people will be let down. Like you with your greater control. What does that even mean?

[simmo]

29 minutes ago, newjez said:

It could well be positive. But there is a high risk that it won't be. 

..and if me aunt had balls she'd be my uncle..

as for the greater control..  let be give you an analogy.  Imagine getting in a bath and its too hot, you can turn the cold tap on for a bit and get it just right (or visa-versa)..you know what temperature you require and you have control of that tap.  Now imagine that your neighbours have all agreed tat bath temperatures should all be 24.5 degrees and if you want to change it you need to get all of your neighbours to agree to changing it and if one of them vetoes it your stuck with that too hot bath water.

You see Jezza, in 2 years we can have our bath whatever fkn temperature we want.. and if we need to top it up we can without asking anyone's permission.

[newjez]

4 hours ago, simmo said:

..and if me aunt had balls she'd be my uncle..

as for the greater control..  let be give you an analogy.  Imagine getting in a bath and its too hot, you can turn the cold tap on for a bit and get it just right (or visa-versa)..you know what temperature you require and you have control of that tap.  Now imagine that your neighbours have all agreed tat bath temperatures should all be 24.5 degrees and if you want to change it you need to get all of your neighbours to agree to changing it and if one of them vetoes it your stuck with that too hot bath water.

You see Jezza, in 2 years we can have our bath whatever fkn temperature we want.. and if we need to top it up we can without asking anyone's permission.

No you can't. For one, no one in the UK will be able to agree on the temp of the bath. For two, there are so many world bodies that the EU is governed by, that we will still obided by. For three, if we are to trade with the EU, and they are our largest trading partners, then we will need to comply with most of their regulations anyway. Why would we have a separate standard for everything? We would be like Australia, where their motorcycle helmets are inferior to the rest of the world, but the rest of the world's helmets are illegal in Australia. Work that one out. In fact, many Australian standards are ludicrous as you well know.

 

Maybe you could compile a list of EU regulations that you object to, and how you would regulate them with your new found control?

Edited April 7, 2017 by newjez

[simmo]

Quote

 

London was the top choice for company flotations in the first quarter of the year, accounting for almost half of the total amount raised in European initial public offerings.

Analysis of IPO data by PwC revealed the City was the most active market in Europe, with signs that it will retain the top spot despite worries about the impact Brexit talks will have.

 

more great news

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/04/09/london-races-ahead-european-rivals-top-choice-company-flotations/

[MrsWuh]

On 07/04/2017 at 7:15 PM, newjez said:

No you can't. For one, no one in the UK will be able to agree on the temp of the bath. For two, there are so many world bodies that the EU is governed by, that we will still obided by. For three, if we are to trade with the EU, and they are our largest trading partners, then we will need to comply with most of their regulations anyway. Why would we have a separate standard for everything? We would be like Australia, where their motorcycle helmets are inferior to the rest of the world, but the rest of the world's helmets are illegal in Australia. Work that one out. In fact, many Australian standards are ludicrous as you well know.

 

British political parties will propose the optimum temperature of the bath in their manifestos, and the British people will pick accordingly. They will not need to wait while 27 other countries sit about debating what they think the British bath temperature should be.

Ummm... not sure what the second point was all about. ???

Only businesses trading with the EU would need to comply with EU regulations. The other 92% of British businesses will no longer have to be restrained by red tape invented by some bored, over-paid, unelected pen-pusher in Brussels.

 

[newjez]

15 minutes ago, MrsWuh said:

 

British political parties will propose the optimum temperature of the bath in their manifestos, and the British people will pick accordingly. They will not need to wait while 27 other countries sit about debating what they think the British bath temperature should be.

Ummm... not sure what the second point was all about. ???

Only businesses trading with the EU would need to comply with EU regulations. The other 92% of British businesses will no longer have to be restrained by red tape invented by some bored, over-paid, unelected pen-pusher in Brussels.

 

We're on Tory temp now. Hope you like it. They've locked the hot tap.

What restraints do you object to by the way?

Edited April 18, 2017 by newjez

[MrsWuh]

3 minutes ago, newjez said:

We're on Tory temp now. Hope you like it. They've locked the hot tap.

Well if the British people don't like it, they can always vote the Tories out.

And there's the beauty of Brexit in a nutshell.

 

[BacktoDemocracy]

45 minutes ago, MrsWuh said:

 

British political parties will propose the optimum temperature of the bath in their manifestos, and the British people will pick accordingly. They will not need to wait while 27 other countries sit about debating what they think the British bath temperature should be.

Ummm... not sure what the second point was all about. ???

Only businesses trading with the EU would need to comply with EU regulations. The other 92% of British businesses will no longer have to be restrained by red tape invented by some bored, over-paid, unelected pen-pusher in Brussels.

 

The good old red tape red herring, if you want to sell into the EU market or any other market you will have to comply with their regulations or your goods won't even get into their shops, it doesn't matter what we think is acceptable will be irrelevant.. 

How much trade do you think we do with the EU,  I would guess it is a whole lot more than 92%  and if that is right, British manufacturers will still have to comply with a fantastic array of different regulations across a whole load of different countries that is why trading with EU is so much simpler.than trading with countries where regulations can vary from state to state in some countries.

[newjez]

2 hours ago, MrsWuh said:

Well if the British people don't like it, they can always vote the Tories out.

And there's the beauty of Brexit in a nutshell.

 

 

I can't, I live in a safe Tory seat.

What EU restraints do you object to?

Edited April 19, 2017 by newjez

[simmo]

SUMMARY OF SINGLE MARKET'S FAILURE, BY OECD

• EU Single Market remains ‘unfinished and stalled’ after 25 years
• Goods market ‘far from fully integrated’, services market far worse
• ‘Unjustified and disproportionate requirements’ for services (80% of UK economy)
• Services growth in last 3 years only 0.1% of EU GDP
• Single Market suffers from high level of regulation
• EU’s promises to reduce excessive regulations ‘remain to be implemented’
• Single Market isn’t ‘single’ – big variations by country
• Poverty increasing across EU
• EU GDP projected to fall this year

[Source: OECD 2016 report on EU and Single Market ]

   15 Oct 2016