trump takes britain

[Gbye grey sky]

I hope they do close the tax evasion loopholes, and that whole dual nationality thing, those who want to be EU citizens and British Citizens

 

I don't care about my own dual citizenship would happily give it up, but I do care about people trying to have their cake and eat it at the expense of the british taxpayer.

 

You pick a country, you live there and you stick with your choice. Not floating back and forth and milking what you can from either, be it the free NHS healthcare, the benefits or tax advantages.

 

As far as I am concerned, if you don't want to be resident in Britain for tax purposes, then you have no rights to anything, including the passport. Talk about quitters, they make me sick. If you are happy to turn your back on the place for something you think is better, you should not be allowed back in and should give up your passport if you hate the UK that much.

 

I hope they do stop Dual Citizenship/International Health Tourism and clamp down on tax evaders.

 

I assume that at one point you lived outside the UK and became a citizen of Australia. Did you hate the UK at that point? Were you a 'quitter' that should not have been allowed to return in your view?

 

Ultimately nobody is really going to attack the wealthy non-doms or the multi-nationals who evade taxes on a global scale. They are just too powerful and can afford the best legal minds and armies of lobbyists to tie all national governments into knots. I wish they could tackle this but it is well beyond individual governments acting alone even if the will was really there.

Edited January 18, 2017 by Gbye grey sky

[newjez]

 

I'm not being critical but were you unaware of this, if you weren't then I start to get a better understanding of why brexit appeals to people so greatly.

I really wasn't. I always wondered what was in it for the hard right Tories. Silly me just thought they were nationally patriotic. Christ, my wife voted brexit to stick it up the banks. This has been an eye opener. They could run the NHS like the trains.

[BacktoDemocracy]

I really wasn't. I always wondered what was in it for the hard right Tories. Silly me just thought they were nationally patriotic. Christ, my wife voted brexit to stick it up the banks. This has been an eye opener. They could run the NHS like the trains.

 

But that is the whole point with these right wingers, some of them are nationalist , patriotic loonies living in the past but the really scary ones are those hiding in the coat tails of the those who see the weak as their next meal ticket and profit center and will exploit any opportunity to enrich themselves even if that condemns others tovastly predjudiced lifes.

[Gbye grey sky]

But that is the whole point with these right wingers, some of them are nationalist , patriotic loonies living in the past but the really scary ones are those hiding in the coat tails of the those who see the weak as their next meal ticket and profit center and will exploit any opportunity to enrich themselves even if that condemns others tovastly predjudiced lifes.

 

If this were truly the case though all Tories and big business would have been in favour of Brexit and they weren't. I think you are reading too much into Brexit tbh. These issues you have highlighted are real but are there whether or not the UK is part of the EU.

[Guest]

I really wasn't. I always wondered what was in it for the hard right Tories. Silly me just thought they were nationally patriotic. Christ, my wife voted brexit to stick it up the banks. This has been an eye opener. They could run the NHS like the trains.

 

My husband and I had conversations about where the NHS was heading before we left the UK in 2013. In fact for a couple of years before we left this was much discussed and we were truly horrified at the implications for the NHS.

 

This has been in the background for a long time now. Because it isn't at the forefront of the news re the NHS people often are simply unaware and don't appreciate how close they may be to losing the NHS as they know it. Its not the only thing to be concerned about as far as the NHS goes, its one of many.

Edited January 19, 2017 by Guest
typo

[newjez]

 

If this were truly the case though all Tories and big business would have been in favour of Brexit and they weren't. I think you are reading too much into Brexit tbh. These issues you have highlighted are real but are there whether or not the UK is part of the EU.

true, but they were the EU's problem, although obviously we would be affected by their decision.

[newjez]

 

If this were truly the case though all Tories and big business would have been in favour of Brexit and they weren't. I think you are reading too much into Brexit tbh. These issues you have highlighted are real but are there whether or not the UK is part of the EU.

not all business is international, and not all Tories are arsewipes.

[newjez]

But that is the whole point with these right wingers, some of them are nationalist , patriotic loonies living in the past but the really scary ones are those hiding in the coat tails of the those who see the weak as their next meal ticket and profit center and will exploit any opportunity to enrich themselves even if that condemns others tovastly predjudiced lifes.

found this interesting.

 

 

http://www.eureferendum.com I guess in some ways we can't negotiate trade agreements until we leave, as the way we leave will affect what goes in those trade agreements. This is really scary. It's like a spotty teenage walking into a used car yard. Without good trade negotiatiors, we could get seriously done, especially with a government all to keen to rubber stamp to make brexit look successful. Never trust a Tory.

[Gbye grey sky]

I have been beating the drum about this for months. Trade deals take years or decades in some cases for these type of reasons. With the UK in a rush to secure deals with anyone then it is certain that these will not be particularly favourable for UK workers. There really is no such thing as pure free trade, its like pure socialism. It just doesn't work in practice.

 

The cost of lower immigration is still likely to be inflation first and job losses later. This will however encourage many erstwhile immigrants to return to mainland Europe. The best way of reducing immigration is to make the UK a less prosperous country so fewer foreigners want to come anyway. Who knows, nirvana may be achievable with net migration figures negative within a few years.

 

This is why the Tories are looking seriously at making the UK an offshore tax haven.

[Home and Happy]

But that is the whole point with these right wingers, some of them are nationalist , patriotic loonies living in the past but the really scary ones are those hiding in the coat tails of the those who see the weak as their next meal ticket and profit center and will exploit any opportunity to enrich themselves even if that condemns others tovastly predjudiced lifes.

 

That's the majority of the electorate you are talking about. The British citizens just want their country back and control over their destiny.

 

The end of the "free for all" soft touch Britain is coming.

 

But no matter what you think, we ARE leaving the EU in a hard Brexit, and tomorrow Trump takes the chair.

 

All thanks to neo liberalism.

 

So point trying to cling on to floating logs now.

 

The EU dictatorship will collapse now. Just wait.

[BacktoDemocracy]

If this were truly the case though all Tories and big business would have been in favour of Brexit and they weren't. I think you are reading too much into Brexit tbh. These issues you have highlighted are real but are there whether or not the UK is part of the EU.

 

I agree, it has always been my view that that the Tories were causing problems out of pure ideology, but the EU did do something to protect the working man and I believe that now once we leave it will be open slather for the rip off merchants, it has always been my opinion that the tories were never interested in making Europe work because it was not in their interests to do so, it is now trickling out that they could have made it mandatory that any EU immigrant had to have a job within 3 months or leave, why did they not enforce that instead of trying to twist the EU's arm to allow them to stop immigration, they knew that the EU was never going to allow them to do it, so they must have wanted open door immigration to keep business costs down regardless of what was said in public.

 

Already in the East the fruit farms and veg growers are saying that they cannot get labour, they are saying that European pickers are starting to choose to go elsewhere because of the fallout from brexit, antipathy, racist comments and uncertainty about whether they will have to leave abruptly.

And as Christine Lagarde commented last night the English consumer is still spending up big on credit and that is the major underpinning to the economy at the moment, that is being encouraged by the lowest interest rates ever and there might be a lot of pain as brexit unravels with higher prices and possible job losses, will the finance world hang around to find out whether thay can operate in the EU or will they just vote with their feet for certainty, will the big exporters who may be subject to tariffs decide not to hang around whilst May tries to do special deals for them, whenever we have tried to do special one off deals in the recent past we have never walked away with anything of substance why imagine that now we are leaving it's going to be substantially better.

 

All the brxiteers keep on saying BMW won't forego their sales but conversely their competitors overnight have X% added to their prices.

Edited January 19, 2017 by BacktoDemocracy

[BacktoDemocracy]

That's the majority of the electorate you are talking about. The British citizens just want their country back and control over their destiny.

 

The end of the "free for all" soft touch Britain is coming.

 

But no matter what you think, we ARE leaving the EU in a hard Brexit, and tomorrow Trump takes the chair.

 

All thanks to neo liberalism.

 

So point trying to cling on to floating logs now.

 

The EU dictatorship will collapse now. Just wait.

If you still think leaving the EU is going to end you sunny side up, assuming you are in the UK, then you have not been following the posts on here.

[BacktoDemocracy]

I have been beating the drum about this for months. Trade deals take years or decades in some cases for these type of reasons. With the UK in a rush to secure deals with anyone then it is certain that these will not be particularly favourable for UK workers. There really is no such thing as pure free trade, its like pure socialism. It just doesn't work in practice.

 

The cost of lower immigration is still likely to be inflation first and job losses later. This will however encourage many erstwhile immigrants to return to mainland Europe. The best way of reducing immigration is to make the UK a less prosperous country so fewer foreigners want to come anyway. Who knows, nirvana may be achievable with net migration figures negative within a few years.

 

This is why the Tories are looking seriously at making the UK an offshore tax haven.

 

Well starting to feel a bit panic struck at the moment now we are starting to see how dominant the right has become, the stars are starting to align, the neo liberals , the free traders and the upper class nationalists can all see their agendas coming to fruition on the back of brexit, it does seem to have the potential to unravel.

I wonder whether the NHS is going to be the litmus test, no more money for it might indicate they really don't give a stuff and reckon they can just do as they want

[BacktoDemocracy]

That's the majority of the electorate you are talking about. The British citizens just want their country back and control over their destiny.

 

The end of the "free for all" soft touch Britain is coming.

 

But no matter what you think, we ARE leaving the EU in a hard Brexit, and tomorrow Trump takes the chair.

 

All thanks to neo liberalism.

 

So point trying to cling on to floating logs now.

 

The EU dictatorship will collapse now. Just wait.

Hardly a massive majority, a mere 2%, and we had all better hope that the EU does not collapse because that would plunge us into an abyss deeper than 1929.

[BacktoDemocracy]

Aaron Banks(who bankrolled UKIP) on Tuesday in the Guardian said in a discussion with Mary Beard (a 'expert' on the Roman Empire and its decline) that"the Labour politicians were infinitely nicer, better people than the Tories, who were all - almost to a man - pretty miserable, horrible politicians"

[BacktoDemocracy]

I'm starting to think that I will have to change my 'nom de guerre' it's starting to have a very hollow ring to it as the days go by.

[Home and Happy]

If you still think leaving the EU is going to end you sunny side up, assuming you are in the UK, then you have not been following the posts on here.

 

It may have been 2% but it may as well have been 48% because it is a majority and that's how democracy works winners win and losers lose.

 

We are living in a new world now.

 

No point stamping your feet anymore, the days of the tail wagging the dog are over - too late now.

[amibovered]

I hate to be a pedant, but it was 3.8%.

[BacktoDemocracy]

It may have been 2% but it may as well have been 48% because it is a majority and that's how democracy works winners win and losers lose.

 

We are living in a new world now.

 

No point stamping your feet anymore, the days of the tail wagging the dog are over - too late now.

Well I sincerely hope the brave new world of being out in the cold is all you hope for.

[newjez]

 

I hate to be a pedant, but it was 3.8%.

2% would need to change their vote to change the outcome.

[newjez]

It may have been 2% but it may as well have been 48% because it is a majority and that's how democracy works winners win and losers lose.

 

We are living in a new world now.

 

No point stamping your feet anymore, the days of the tail wagging the dog are over - too late now.

actually, winners win and losers negotiate. You think politics is all about voting?

[amibovered]

 

2% would need to change their vote to change the outcome.

Who knows, if remain had promoted the advantages of the EU, rather than the ridiculous scare campaign they went with, it might have been different, Oh, and the leavers have a lot to thank Obama for.

[bunbury61]

Well I sincerely hope the brave new world of being out in the cold is all you hope for.

 

And me ....we had a vote and those voting for brexit won the vote .

GET OVER IT ..

WE ARE LEAVING THE E.U.

The French will try and give us a kicking .

Short term a rough tide ...long term a fantastic decision ....as I said all along .

You will have plenty to whinge about from tomorrow ...HERE COMES DONALD ...JUST IN TIME

[newjez]

And me ....we had a vote and those voting for brexit won the vote .

GET OVER IT ..

WE ARE LEAVING THE E.U.

The French will try and give us a kicking .

Short term a rough tide ...long term a fantastic decision ....as I said all along .

You will have plenty to whinge about from tomorrow ...HERE COMES DONALD ...JUST IN TIME

sadly we're not talking about the duck. But it does rhyme.

[newjez]

 

Who knows, if remain had promoted the advantages of the EU, rather than the ridiculous scare campaign they went with, it might have been different, Oh, and the leavers have a lot to thank Obama for.

too true. That with Cameron, Osborne and corbyn, backed up with Blair and major. Christ knows why leave didn't romp it in.