starlight7 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 How times change! Surprised the haven't dug up some dirt on her,real or imagined, like they did before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srh82 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Oh dear... Sad thing is that they are going to win seats.... I feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlight7 Posted December 18, 2016 Author Share Posted December 18, 2016 Oh dear... Sad thing is that they are going to win seats.... I feel. I think so too- Pauline Trump? Weird times we live in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VERYSTORMY Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Come down to the same thing. A political class who have ignored the concerns and issues facing the public. If they don't address thing, then they will chose someone that offers to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diane Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Looks like her party is imploding in the same way as previous niche parties have. Culleton just resigned and Hanson accused him of being "addicted to publicity" Pot, meet kettle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flag of convenience Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Like I have written on a number of occasions a party full of over developed ego's, just waiting to implode. As in the nineties will result in the nuff party ruling at present to turn ever more right and/or cut deals with the Hanson lot to get bills through the senate. A party that stands for very little, besides agitation which isn't bad in itself. We certainly need a party that will bring the housing market under control, in a sense save it from itself, stop the population Ponzi, and ensure Australians maintain a welfare system that will help those in the coming transformation of society. Hanson is unlikely up to the task. The party being more than willing to wheel and deal in place of principle. I seem to recall she was willing to support the motion of cutting out the dole for under thirties. The noise she made with regards to Asians in the late nineties has disappeared. Now of course replaced by the 'new' kicking boy of the times, Muslims. Guaranteed to grab attention of course. If she does capture 'red neck' seats again, looks like a return to the barricades, to protest once again her grubby form of politics. The grubbiness goes beyond the Hanson woman of course to the murky groups that promote hate, that latch on to parties as hers and operate around the edges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flag of convenience Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Looks like her party is imploding in the same way as previous niche parties have. Culleton just resigned and Hanson accused him of being "addicted to publicity" Pot, meet kettle? I doubt if much has changed. Power, influence against principle. Disharmony in place of harmony. This party offers nothing in the way of solution or a better society. Egotist, give her the flick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flag of convenience Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Come down to the same thing. A political class who have ignored the concerns and issues facing the public. If they don't address thing, then they will chose someone that offers to Really? The right will never address the issues of the working man. Be that Hanson or Trump or UKIP. Self interest and own agenda. When ever the Right gets into power, watch the controls and laws sweeping in preventing criticism and dissent. Watch money for the military and police and prisons grow. Tax cuts? Amazed how many consider these will somehow increase take home pay. As if savings would be passed on to the workers in place of boosting company and share holder profit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlight7 Posted December 19, 2016 Author Share Posted December 19, 2016 The very sad fact is that now the Labor Party is the same and no longer addresses the issues of working people. They are disgusting hypocrites. At least with the right you know they only care about the big business people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 This is what happens if the Liberal National Party coalition is not a strong centre-right party. As the Liberal Party under Turnbull has moved to the left to some degree it means the true followers of the Liberal philosophy are more likely to move further right. But Liberals believe in lower taxes and lower spending and need to keep pushing that agenda. Hopefully Tony is back before the next election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flag of convenience Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 This is what happens if the Liberal National Party coalition is not a strong centre-right party. As the Liberal Party under Turnbull has moved to the left to some degree it means the true followers of the Liberal philosophy are more likely to move further right. But Liberals believe in lower taxes and lower spending and need to keep pushing that agenda. Hopefully Tony is back before the next election. Nothing much left with Turnbull. Tell me where you consider him left, going on the last budget? Put Thatcher to shame. Neither he nor Abbott capable or representing but a narrow agenda of cuts to essential services, while lowering tax to big business. I doubt if any tax cuts would be coming to workers, more likely increases to compensate for big business. Labor needs to return to its traditional agenda by moving away from the right and offer clear alternatives to the awful politics of present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flag of convenience Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 The very sad fact is that now the Labor Party is the same and no longer addresses the issues of working people. They are disgusting hypocrites. At least with the right you know they only care about the big business people. But hardly makes it okay. Labor does need to redefine itself as an alternative to the right and adjust policy to suit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VERYSTORMY Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Really? The right will never address the issues of the working man. Be that Hanson or Trump or UKIP. Self interest and own agenda. When ever the Right gets into power, watch the controls and laws sweeping in preventing criticism and dissent. Watch money for the military and police and prisons grow. Tax cuts? Amazed how many consider these will somehow increase take home pay. As if savings would be passed on to the workers in place of boosting company and share holder profit. But the left have also abandoned the working man. Hence why Labour in the UK are likely to get hammered in their traditional areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoDemocracy Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 But the left have also abandoned the working man. Hence why Labour in the UK are likely to get hammered in their traditional areas. As I've said before these extremist parties which thrive on exploiting prejudices with lies are dragging the whole political spectrum to the right as a means of achieving power for their hideous beliefs and the mainstream rightwing parties now want to get rid of all Social provision funded by the State"a la the USA ". The supposedly leftwing parties at the moment seem incapable of mounting a coherent campaign to oppose this, partly because the rightwing parties are tapping into the same populist messages of the extremists and then it is not a battle of facts but a battle of feelings which is a much more difficult battle to win, self interest is a very hard feeling to gainsay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VERYSTORMY Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 As I've said before these extremist parties which thrive on exploiting prejudices with lies are dragging the whole political spectrum to the right as a means of achieving power for their hideous beliefs and the mainstream rightwing parties now want to get rid of all Social provision funded by the State"a la the USA ". The supposedly leftwing parties at the moment seem incapable of mounting a coherent campaign to oppose this, partly because the rightwing parties are tapping into the same populist messages of the extremists and then it is not a battle of facts but a battle of feelings which is a much more difficult battle to win, self interest is a very hard feeling to gainsay. Which are the extremist right wing parties? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoDemocracy Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Which are the extremist right wing parties? Parties which irresponsibly promise solutions which are unachievable without scapegoating groups or individuals, promise solutions that exploit peoples fears and who have agendas that are hidden from view. Parties composed of individuals who are only concerned about power for them and to feed their narcissistic egos. Parties which have no real policies about how to run a country without destroying its economy in pursuit of policies of isolationism and some kind of racial and social purity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VERYSTORMY Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Parties which irresponsibly promise solutions which are unachievable without scapegoating groups or individuals, promise solutions that exploit peoples fears and who have agendas that are hidden from view. Parties composed of individuals who are only concerned about power for them and to feed their narcissistic egos. Parties which have no real policies about how to run a country without destroying its economy in pursuit of policies of isolationism and some kind of racial and social purity. Would you include then Labour and UKIP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoDemocracy Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Would you include then Labour and UKIP? I would hardly include Corbyn in the narcissistic egotist category, it's difficult to discern whether there is an actual ego in there. Farage seems to be carving out a new career as Trump sycophant bum licker in chief, I assume he thinks their might big bucks in being liar in chief for a party with a few million members and doners contributing the billions rather than 39000 members and one or 2 donors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flag of convenience Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 But the left have also abandoned the working man. Hence why Labour in the UK are likely to get hammered in their traditional areas. Not exactly although almost. New Labour decided to become a Tory Lite under Blair. Even then a minimum wage was introduced to a basic level. It is the alleged voice of the 'working class' tabloids, in control of any one but, that help set the tone. The average working class person hasn't the time or the inclination to wade through the rights and wrongs. Hence simplistic solutions may appear attractive, although seldom are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlight7 Posted December 19, 2016 Author Share Posted December 19, 2016 I know very little about Nigel Farage but what I have seen suggests he has a massive ego and is not the sort of person you would want to have any power at all. Different and more dangerous type than Hanson who, on her own, is not that bad but the people working for her seem ignorant and ill informed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flag of convenience Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 I don't necessary agree with the people working around Hanson are ill informed or ignorant. The main ones have own agenda's at play. Hanson at times appears a little 'innocent' those less so I suspect than her last attempt in the nineties. Her party puts on a populist face, which is the catalyst extreme and dangerous right wing parties seek to infiltrate in order to push own agendas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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