kulsumt Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 (edited) Hi. I am a Chartered Accountant from Bangalore, India. Me & my family got the PR visa on 01/06/2012. It is a skilled sponserd visa. We all made our first entry in October 2012 & stayed in Perth for 8 days & returned back. Me the primary applicant alone made a second entry in March 2014 & stayed there for 60days till April 30th 2014 & returned back. Now our visa is getting expired in June 2017. According to the immigration website our PR starts from the date of our first arrival i.e. from October 22nd 2012. Therefore our fifth year of PR starts from October 22nd 2016. As we all have the 8 days stay of our first arrival, now we are planning to arrive in AU by this October 30th 2016. If we do so are we fulfilling the residence requirement of 12 months stay in PR period & later we continue to stay for 3 more years there without exit & complete our four years stay. If so are we eligible to get citizenship? After the expiry of our visa if we stay there do we have to renew it? If we need RRV when we shoul apply June or October?Kindly reply to my queries & do the needful. I have very short period now. Just 1 week time left for our departure. Thank u.M M TaherChartered Accountantant Edited October 20, 2016 by VERYSTORMY forum rules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith and Linda Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 As far as I am aware the visa commenced on the issue date of 1/06/12 and not October. You only need an RRV if and before you leave Australia after the expiry of your PR visa (1/6/17) and do not have citizenship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kulsumt Posted October 20, 2016 Author Share Posted October 20, 2016 Thank u. But as per website visa granted offshore, the PR starts from the date of first arrival right? How about our early stay of 2 months 8 days, will it be calculated for the 4 years if stay for citizenship? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VERYSTORMY Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 As above, your visa and all of its time points are from date of grant not first entry. In in order to get citizenship, you need to have held a visa for 4 years, you must not have been out of Oz for more than a total of 12 months in the 4 years and no more than 90 days in the year prior to application. Your visa never expires, only the travel portion expires 5 years after grant. Therefore, if you don't leave the country after that, you do not need a rrv. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith and Linda Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 You went to all the trouble to get a PR visa and it now seems you do not really want to come and be a PR! just trying some lifestyle options maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bungo Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Thank u. But as per website visa granted offshore, the PR starts from the date of first arrival right? How about our early stay of 2 months 8 days, will it be calculated for the 4 years if stay for citizenship? You are reading something very wrong. The five years commences when the visa was granted and your initial entry date has no particular relevance. After June next year, when the five years is up, you should apply for a resident return visa before you travel overseas. If you don't intend to travel then you do not need to do anything. You would be eligible for citizenship three years after you return to Australia, so October 2019, assuming you remain onshore all that to e. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kulsumt Posted October 20, 2016 Author Share Posted October 20, 2016 Good. U mean to say that if we enter on the last day of the 5 year PR period & stay continuously for 1year without exit i.e. in PR & stay another 3 years with the breakup stay in the middle & complete 4 years, then also we are eligible for citizenship. I hope i am right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bungo Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Good. U mean to say that if we enter on the last day of the 5 year PR period & stay continuously for 1year without exit i.e. in PR & stay another 3 years with the breakup stay in the middle & complete 4 years, then also we are eligible for citizenship. I hope i am right now. I mean to say exactly what I said. I have not mentioned one year and I am not sure why you keep mentioning one year. If you arrive and stay for THREE years without leaving you would qualify for citizenship. There is no relevance to one year at all. I also would not recommend moving on the last day of the initial five years, what if your flight is delayed or you miss it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith and Linda Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 I mean to say exactly what I said. I have not mentioned one year and I am not sure why you keep mentioning one year. If you arrive and stay for THREE years without leaving you would qualify for citizenship. There is no relevance to one year at all. I also would not recommend moving on the last day of the initial five years, what if your flight is delayed or you miss it? We cut it close with ours due to illness and then death in the family, it all came down to two days in the end..............daughter finished her last school exam two days later we flew out, two days later we landed, two days later the visa ran out (well the 5 year was up) we were sweating about any delays I can tell you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kulsumt Posted October 20, 2016 Author Share Posted October 20, 2016 Sorry. U are upset may be with my queries. But your reply is not clear to me. It is not clarifying my query....:confused: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JockinTas Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Sorry. U are upset may be with my queries. But your reply is not clear to me. It is not clarifying my query....:confused: Does this help? [h=2]What are the requirements for Australian Citizenship?[/h]The general requirements for Australian Citizenship are: Permanent resident status for 1 year and have lived in Australia for at least 9 out 12 months within the year Lived continuously and legally in Australia for the past 4 years Be physically present in Australia and must have not been absent for more than 12 months in the last 4 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kulsumt Posted October 20, 2016 Author Share Posted October 20, 2016 My clear cut query is *Is that 4 years of stay should be in the first 5 years of PR after the date of grant or later stay will be valid or not.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith and Linda Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 You need to enter Australia before your 5 years from date of issue runs out. Then once in Australia and you want citizenship then the criteria has to be met but to make it clear cut then..................get your ass to Oz and stay in Australia for 4 continuous years and apply for citizenship .............easy as! Of course you can make the process drag on for years or just keep getting RRV's forever but doubtful you will keep getting them if spending more time out of Aus than in! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kulsumt Posted October 20, 2016 Author Share Posted October 20, 2016 Thank u. I think u r very much upset with my query. Ur language shows that. Sorry for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kulsumt Posted October 20, 2016 Author Share Posted October 20, 2016 :shocked::sad: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith and Linda Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 It appears to be your insistence in leaving things to the last minute, showing little interest in actually wanting to residing in a permanent manner and trying to find a way around or short cut your way to citizenship. There are a lot of people whom would give an arm and a leg to have all the advantages that a PR visa offers, and once they get one then planning their move to live in Australia becomes their first concern followed later by citizenship. Good luck with your endeavors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rammygirl Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 You need to arrive before the visa expires which is not October but June the date of grant. That is the critical date. Once you are settled in Australia then after three years continuous residence you will be eligible for citizenship as you are allowed 12 months absence. Any time you spend out of Australia in that time ( you will need and RRV) must be added to the end of the three years and must be less than 90 days in total in the last year before applying. This confuses a lot of people. For example in my case. We visited on our visa before moving 18 months before settling. We settled here on 29th Jan 2014. We have had for arguments sake 35 days outside Australia since settling. We can apply for citizenship on 29th Jan 2017 PLUS 35 days plus 1 day ( as should be after the full residence requirement) There is a calculator to use. Put your dates in and project what you think will be your date, it will correct you if you are wrong. The 12 months as PR is only relevant if you were resident on a temp visa for some of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristle Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 (edited) You need to arrive before the visa expires which is not October but June the date of grant. That is the critical date. Once you are settled in Australia then after three years continuous residence you will be eligible for citizenship as you are allowed 12 months absence. Any time you spend out of Australia in that time ( you will need and RRV) must be added to the end of the three years and must be less than 90 days in total in the last year before applying. This confuses a lot of people. For example in my case. We visited on our visa before moving 18 months before settling. We settled here on 29th Jan 2014. We have had for arguments sake 35 days outside Australia since settling. We can apply for citizenship on 29th Jan 2017 PLUS 35 days plus 1 day ( as should be after the full residence requirement) There is a calculator to use. Put your dates in and project what you think will be your date, it will correct you if you are wrong. The 12 months as PR is only relevant if you were resident on a temp visa for some of the time. Just gone onto the government site and there is a residency eligibilty calculator. We arrived on a PR visa in Nov 2013 and have resided here from that time. According to the calculator we are not eligible to apply until November 2017 so not sure about your second paragraph. Sorry if I have read it incorrectly Edited October 21, 2016 by Bristle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemesis Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Just gone onto the government site and there is a residency eligibilty calculator. We arrived on a PR visa in Nov 2013 and have resided here from that time. According to the calculator we are not eligible to apply until November 2017 so not sure about your second paragraph. Sorry if I have read it incorrectly Don't see your problem -4 years continuously being in Australia on a PR visa from Nov 2013 will make you eligible in Nov 2017. the last paragraph in that previous post would only be relevant if you had been here on a temp visa before getting PR. Were you on a tem visa here before getting PR? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristle Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Don't see your problem -4 years continuously being in Australia on a PR visa from Nov 2013 will make you eligible in Nov 2017. the last paragraph in that previous post would only be relevant if you had been here on a temp visa before getting PR. Were you on a tem visa here before getting PR? I realise that we eligible in 2017 but on the post from rammygirl she says that after three years continuous residency you will be eligible for citizenship as you are allowed 12 months absence but this could be misleading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickyNook Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 I realise that we eligible in 2017 but on the post from rammygirl she says that after three years continuous residency you will be eligible for citizenship as you are allowed 12 months absence but this could be misleading. Rammygirl was replying to the OP and she is quite correct in what she says. The OP's circumstances are such that they will be eligible for citizenship after living in Australia for three continuous years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiaCapan Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 My clear cut query is *Is that 4 years of stay should be in the first 5 years of PR after the date of grant or later stay will be valid or not.... No, the 4 years does not have to be within the first 5 years of visa grant. You could enter Australia in year 5 from grant and stay for 4 years, I.e. 9 years after initial grant , subject to the conditions already mentioned such as no more than 12 months out of Australia within those 4 years of residency etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 (edited) It's not any 4 year period, it's only the 4 year period immediately before the date you apply for citizenship that counts. In those 4 years you must have been in Australia for 3 years including at least 9 months out of the last 12 months. You must have had PR for the last 12 months but it makes no difference if that was granted 12 months ago (provided you had a temporary visa before that) or 20 years ago (the expiry of the travel portion of your PR visa is irrelevant). PS provided you visited Australia at some point in the distant past, you only need to stay continuously for 3 years to be eligible to apply for citizenship as the 12 months you are allowed to be outside of Australia can be the first 12 months of your 4 year period of residency. Edited October 21, 2016 by Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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