Hansen warns of terror on the streets swamped by Asians

[newjez]

I don't know how they can do this with Australias points based system?

 

 

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/legal-action-****-cafe-chain-underpaid-foreign-workers/news-story/f1ba835bfe16e14c146265a27f06c73f

[newjez]

Why do you have to take the line that there is racial or religious hatred at play.

 

People, me included, want to see balance.

 

Australia has a white European heritage. I do not want to see that totally obliterated forever and us just become another China.

When schools and suburbs are becoming overwhelmingly Asian that tells me the balance is tilting the wrong way.

 

I am not going to back down from saying I don't want Australia to become an offshoot of China and just another totally Asian country.

 

 

But with a points based system Australia can pick and choose who enters the country. I thought you've said on other threads that this would be good for the UK , so we wouldn't give preference to white Europeans , so why is it a problem for Australia?

 

So by supporting brexit are you saying Britain's streets will be swamped by hoardes of Asians? Maybe Australia should join the EU?

Edited July 7, 2016 by newjez

[Roberta2]

Hanson has tapped into a number of populist causes in Queensland. Some of it for economic reasons - the mining towns that have taken big hits to employment. Townsville, hit hard by the collapse of Clive Palmer's nikel mine. The climate change deniers. Her no 2 Senate candidate, Malcolm Roberts, claimed that global warming was a "fabrication" by the United Nations and the finance sector to make money. This is traditional rural populist Queensland anti-bank stuff that has roots way back. She's anti Coal Seam gas. (Something of course that divides regional communities) She's also joined the anti-vax crowd. Anti GM crops. And of course, she's an old fashioned protectionist. So far, she has not made any comments that I have seen on same sex marriage, but she is probably opposed because she gets support from the Christian Right. (Not all the areas that support her are doing it tough economically. The Lockyer Valley west of Brisbane, which supplies a lot of Brisbane's vegetables etc, is relatively prosperous. But the Happy Clappers are well entrenched there.) The politicians and media are going to have to be careful how they handle One Nation. Her biographer, the Sydney Morning Herald journalist Margo Kingston has warned that "the feeling of economic despair over globalisation and inequality has risen again, especially in regional areas". I found today that somewhat to my surprise, she supports two causes I can endorse - legalisation of medical cannabis for sick adults, and she also supports the right of consenting adults to be euthanised. So a grab bag. The Greens' leader, Dr Di Natale, has vowed to "drive her out of parliament". Not good strategy. It will make her look more than ever "the little Ozzie battler". And how does he intend to do that anyway? She is an elected Senator, and will be there for six years.

[starlight7]

Guess we have to wait and see with Pauline.It certainly wouldn't be too democratic to drive her out of office like the undemocratic Greens.

[Roberta2]

These are employers exploiting those on student and 457 visas. The regulators need more resources. A number of scandals exposed recently.

[Parley]

But with a points based system Australia can pick and choose who enters the country. I thought you've said on other threads that this would be good for the UK , so we wouldn't give preference to white Europeans , so why is it a problem for Australia?

 

So by supporting brexit are you saying Britain's streets will be swamped by hoardes of Asians? Maybe Australia should join the EU?

 

I supported Remain before the vote.

But now Leave has won I said I can see their point of view too.

 

I am supporting them now because they won the referendum fair and square.

I don't go along with all the people whinging and saying Parliament should ignore the wishes of the people.

[Parley]

Only as a result of white European immigration which obliterated Indigenous heritage...

 

2 wrongs don't make a right.

[Roberta2]

You are probably not aware that a former Labor leader, Arthur Caldwell, once infamously said that "two Wongs don't make a white". He was the one whose most infamous acts as Immigration Minister in the Chifley government was responsibility for the cases of Annie O'Keefe and Sargeant Gamboa. Look them up. These did enormous damage to Australia in the early postwar period, which we tried to make up for with the Colombo Plan etc.

[Parley]

Ancient history is not that relevant to me.

What is important is what we do now.

[BacktoDemocracy]

Hanson has tapped into a number of populist causes in Queensland. Some of it for economic reasons - the mining towns that have taken big hits to employment. Townsville, hit hard by the collapse of Clive Palmer's nikel mine. The climate change deniers. Her no 2 Senate candidate, Malcolm Roberts, claimed that global warming was a "fabrication" by the United Nations and the finance sector to make money. This is traditional rural populist Queensland anti-bank stuff that has roots way back. She's anti Coal Seam gas. (Something of course that divides regional communities) She's also joined the anti-vax crowd. Anti GM crops. And of course, she's an old fashioned protectionist. So far, she has not made any comments that I have seen on same sex marriage, but she is probably opposed because she gets support from the Christian Right. (Not all the areas that support her are doing it tough economically. The Lockyer Valley west of Brisbane, which supplies a lot of Brisbane's vegetables etc, is relatively prosperous. But the Happy Clappers are well entrenched there.) The politicians and media are going to have to be careful how they handle One Nation. Her biographer, the Sydney Morning Herald journalist Margo Kingston has warned that "the feeling of economic despair over globalisation and inequality has risen again, especially in regional areas". I found today that somewhat to my surprise, she supports two causes I can endorse - legalisation of medical cannabis for sick adults, and she also supports the right of consenting adults to be euthanised. So a grab bag. The Greens' leader, Dr Di Natale, has vowed to "drive her out of parliament". Not good strategy. It will make her look more than ever "the little Ozzie battler". And how does he intend to do that anyway? She is an elected Senator, and will be there for six years.

She is a opportunist , populist "politician" determined to ride a wave of discontent as traditional politics falls apart as Globalisation and neo liberalism fail all but the rich, the US, the UK, Spain, the EU and now Australia are seeing the rise of populist, anti democratic and anti intellectual protest movements.

The major worry is that these protest movements could very quickly tip over into authoritarian movements pedalling and enforcing their anti intellectual sentiments, remember the "book burnings" of the Nazi's.

[flag of convenience]

Why do you have to take the line that there is racial or religious hatred at play.

 

People, me included, want to see balance.

 

Australia has a white European heritage. I do not want to see that totally obliterated forever and us just become another China.

When schools and suburbs are becoming overwhelmingly Asian that tells me the balance is tilting the wrong way.

 

I am not going to back down from saying I don't want Australia to become an offshoot of China and just another totally Asian country.

 

Because there remains a minority of the population, but numerous enough, whom are not in favour (to put it lightly) of the considerable increase in visible migrants over the past two decades.

 

As with most cities immigrants are swayed towards certain areas due to variable factors. Chinese immigrants seek out good schools, easy access and safety. Increasingly more will seek to live in areas of heavy Chinese presence. Unlike earlier migrants, like the Vietnamese, for example, that settled in 'poorer' working class areas, often to move into more prosperous burbs over time, the flow of Chinese have money and move straight to expensive areas. Quite a change. Probably something not to many long term locals find easy to deal with.

 

Anyway spare a thought. Over here in Perth, we have the most ghettoised communities in Australia, with Poms preferring to live cheek to cheek and out numbering locals many times over. Not sure how you would expect others to be different?

[sawyer]

Why do you have to take the line that there is racial or religious hatred at play.

 

People, me included, want to see balance.

 

Australia has a white European heritage. I do not want to see that totally obliterated forever and us just become another China.

When schools and suburbs are becoming overwhelmingly Asian that tells me the balance is tilting the wrong way.

 

I am not going to back down from saying I don't want Australia to become an offshoot of China and just another totally Asian country.

 

well, i and many others moved to australia because of it's diversity and heterogeneity, that's why we left asia, and that not all of us desire to live in an asian dominated suburbs.

 

tbh, i do see your point, but i think it's not a fair to group china with other asian countries altogether. culturally and language, we are all very very different.

Edited July 7, 2016 by sawyer

[BacktoDemocracy]

Probably where it needs to be

So at last we have it out in the open, I assume that you are in agreement with Hanson views, racial and religious apartheid and anti intellectual, in favour of denial of any views that do not accord with her stunted appreciation of the world, a nasty distrust of any one different to her in views colour or race.

[The Raillys]

Imagine how the Aboriginals feel seeing all you foreigners taking over their country!

[Bibbs]

Imagine how the Aboriginals feel seeing all you foreigners taking over their country!

Which Aboriginal Country in particular? They had 100's, and I'd suggest that most are exactly the same as they were 300 years ago.

[flag of convenience]

well, i and many others moved to australia because of it's diversity and heterogeneity, that's why we left asia, and that not all of us desire to live in an asian dominated suburbs.

 

tbh, i do see your point, but i think it's not a fair to group china with other asian countries altogether. culturally and language, we are all very very different.

 

The diversity has certainly made it a far more interesting country from the days it was a ' white bread ' sort of place. It wasn't that long ago either. Which is I expect why there remains a minority, usually above a certain age, that remain resentful of the changes over the past two decades. People forget or never realised that in the 60's and 70's Australia remained one of the more homogenous countries, certainly among settler countries and against any racial change.

 

Still many Australians would not necessary be able to distinguish the different Asian tribes. Although to be fair few Asians would distinguish between the different European tribes to any real degree either.

[flag of convenience]

So at last we have it out in the open, I assume that you are in agreement with Hanson views, racial and religious apartheid and anti intellectual, in favour of denial of any views that do not accord with her stunted appreciation of the world, a nasty distrust of any one different to her in views colour or race.

 

I never imagined for a minute that particular poster would have differing views from Hanson. She makes no secret of supporting right wing tendencies, and supporting anti Muslim and Halal platforms. Perhaps even finds Hanson to much of a ' moderate' ?

[Rossmoyne]

So at last we have it out in the open, I assume that you are in agreement with Hanson views, racial and religious apartheid and anti intellectual, in favour of denial of any views that do not accord with her stunted appreciation of the world, a nasty distrust of any one different to her in views colour or race.

 

Not at all!

 

I am all for migration to another country, where ever it is, so long as it happens legally. I live in a suburb that is very multicultural.... in my street alone, of 36 houses, we have 10 different nationalities... we get on.... we socialise... we respect each other. Apart from 3 Australian born families, we all came here through legal channels and we all agree that those who use the illegal route, should not be allowed into the country. There are legal routes for genuine refugees, and one of the families in our street are such and they are very included in our support and social scene.

 

If you actually look at Pauline Hanson's policies you will see that what you perceive as her racist views are a small part of her standing. She is supporting general Australians with her stance for farmers suffering through drought; seniors who have their pension rights reduced; people who want the right for medicinal canabis; people who want the right of voluntary euthanasia if they are terminally ill.... and many other policies. Just because people voted for Pauline Hansen it does not mean they are racist - yes they might be concerned about the influx of islam into Australia - but they does not make them racist as islam is not a race.

 

However I do believe that the far left of politics have taken over the whole political scene whereby anyone with opposing views to their feel good, "lets give everyone a visa to a western country so they can live on our social security for ever" and "anyone who opposes this is a racist, xenophobe or islamaphobe", needs to be countered. What is it with all those muslim hate preachers in mosques around Australia who call for "death for the infidels" Why can't these people just be grateful that they now live in a safe country and get on and enjoy life. I just want everyone to live in the middle road and respect each other.

 

Too much hate everywhere..... and the fact that people like Pauline Hansen and other small political parties bring this out into the open, is just part of the honest discussion that we all have to have so that the far left and far right of politics do not take over the world. In my view, this was the basis of the Brexit Leave Vote winning the referendum in UK. But what would I know, just being a 60 plus year old who has lived around the world all my life and experienced many different cultures and political systems....

[Johndoe]

But what would I know, just being a 60 plus year old who has lived around the world all my life and experienced many different cultures and political systems....

 

As Jennifer Saunders Tweeted in answer to the young 'uns lamenting that they were being denied "privileges" by the out vote being dominated by Old Farts

 

[Harpodom]

As Jennifer Saunders Tweeted in answer to the young 'uns lamenting that they were being denied "privileges" by the out vote being dominated by Old Farts

 

Meh, that's no better than saying all old people are stupid old bigots, essentially saying instead that all young people are over entitled little shits. Doesn't address the issue.

[Rossmoyne]

Meh, that's no better than saying all old people are stupid old bigots, essentially saying instead that all young people are over entitled little shits. Doesn't address the issue.

 

No it doesnt address the issue... but part of the issue is that no-one seems to be addressing other views and coming to a meeting point!

[VERYSTORMY]

Meh, that's no better than saying all old people are stupid old bigots, essentially saying instead that all young people are over entitled little shits. Doesn't address the issue.

 

There is probably a boulder sized grain of truth in it though.

 

I have a lot of younger friends from my uni days and most were apoplectic at the result. But, after a lot discussion, the main reason was that they didn't get their own way. Interestingly, this was particularly the case with friends that live in London. There is certainly a sense of entitlement among them.

 

However, one issue that isn't mentioned in this aspect much is that the older generation are the ones that can remember pre EU Britain. So, may therefore be the only ones with a true perspective, as the younger generation don't actually know what it is to live without the EU. This leads to a distortion of what life is outside of the EU. Many seem to think everywhere outside is a wasteland or that the UK is now to be towed to the dark side of the moon. On my way into work and home, I listen to Radio London and every single day, morning and afternoon, they have had phone in's on this. Every day, young people call in saying things like they wont be able to go on holiday to Spain - regardless of the fact there were no visas for tourists prior to the EU, or that the UK is being banished and we will have to live like the rest of the world - basically, in caves eating grass

[starlight7]

Most of the true bigots I have come across describe themselves as left wing. They have no tolerance for any opinions except their own and they are prepared to be violently militant to support their own views too. Freedom of speech is a concept entirely unknown to them. I find this increasingly large group frightening. Shades of the old Russian and East German communists.

[sawyer]

stumbled upon this article today, i guess we need to be careful what we wish for -

 

The Australian-Chinese community has launched a social media campaign to try to combat what it describes as intolerant and racist ideas being spread by senator-elect Pauline Hanson.

 

Community leaders said when Ms Hanson was last in parliament 20 years ago, they documented a significant increase in the number of people of Asian heritage being verbally and physically abused by strangers in public.

 

 

source: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-08/chinese-community-launch-campaign-against-pauline-hanson/7581952

 

sort of reminded me of the recent post-brexit rise in racial abuse happening in uk.

[Johndoe]

Meh, that's no better than saying all old people are stupid old bigots, essentially saying instead that all young people are over entitled little shits. Doesn't address the issue.

 

What issue? That the young feel that their voice was overheard by the old?...................Hard shlt! I think that what it is saying is clear enough............that the old made sacrifices that the young fail to appreciate, and finally when the old are exercising their democratic right, the young have absolutely no comprehension as to why, that democratic right has spoken. Typical youth of today....we know better......times have changed and you're just old farts who should have no say in modern society..................irrespective of the fact that our past endeavours gave you the right to gob off like that.

Edited July 8, 2016 by Johndoe