New limit of £35000 earning threshold for non eu migrants

[Skyba]

I still don't understand what the issue is.

This should be good news.

Skyba, I'm guessing you are a Brit and would not appreciate a foreigner coming in and undercutting you so you lose your job.

 

This legislation will ensure that Brits and/or EU members get the jobs first and foremost.

 

 

Parley you and I have crossed paths many times before and you should know I don't agree with your right wing views.

 

Look st my signature, I am an English person who had been granted a visa to work in Australia, it would be somewhat hypocritical of me to sit here giving it the "bloody foreigners coming here taking our jobs" routine, in a few months i will be that bloody foreigner.

 

If if someone qualifies for a visa in the country then It shouldn't matter what they earn, the problem today doesn't lie with the average joe or Johnny Foreigner coming here and doing jobs, it lies with our government string back and abusing the general public, making policies that punish the working class with one hand then waving a fluffy bunny in the other thinking that the general public don't realise what they are doing. They sit back allow our industries to fail because let's face it, who needs s steel industry when all the employees are from up north and union members... If it was the banking sector or some other money oriented industry in the city they would be scrambling to save it because who would back their multi million pound dinners!!!

 

So so no I don't think foreigners coming here and undercutting is the problem, I think the attitude of employers thinking that because someone is foreign they can pay less is a problem, also how about we get these companies paying their taxes, maybe that way the country would have some cash to pay off its debt and reinvest in some worthwhile projects that will create jobs rather than relying on poverty creation to pay of the mistakes of the rich

[Skyba]

Where to begin?

 

First, you seem to have an assumption that any country has only a fixed number of jobs. This is wrong. More people generate more economic activity which generates more jobs. The greater the range of skills, innovation and flexibility you have in the labour market, the stronger your economy will be.

 

Imagine your village. If you didn't bring in outsiders, it would still have a blacksmith, a butcher, a merchant, a priest, a teacher, a lawyer, a farmer and a lot of labourers. But bring in outside workers and you have more flexibility so some of the labourers can spend time with the teacher, getting educated and then maybe go off and work on "project electricity". Once you have electricity, you can automate a lot of the labour - and possibly the blacksmith, and then get people engaged on "project combustion engine". Then you have mobility and the merchant can get better stuff to sell, which will attract more people which will grow the economy. You create a virtuous cycle. But if you put up the barriers and prevent movement and free trade, you will choke the economy, get beaten for efficiency by freer markets and your expensive workers will lose their jobs anyway.

 

I guess that's why we have economists to run the economy and we leave Team BNP to run the hate campaigns.

 

 

Thing is we don't leave the economy to economists, our chencellour doesn't even have a maths A level, he's just another Coke addled rich kid put in his place to do a job he knows nothing about because at the end of the day with this lot in charge he doesn't need to know anything. He has one job and even a bunch merry men living in the woods wearing green tights knew how to do that

[Sustain]

Unfortunately they can't stop the EU lot.

 

'Apply a bit of Greece and it might come of the rails'

[bunbury61]

I work in in the building trade, I'm an electrician and the only way an electrician will earn over £35k is with overtime or owning their own company. I'm self employed and get over that but the average for an approved electrician which is a higher qualified electrician which I am is around £27k on the books, and the course to become that qualified only has a 40% pass rate. And electricians are probably the highest paid of the trades in the UK. The only people on a building site on over £35k basic are project managers, site managers and formen, and even foremen would be pushed to earn over £35k.

 

Don't know what part of the country you are in .....i have mates from the black country ,decent sized building firms ....

He has just taken on 2 more tradies ....£160 a day & van & phone

Don't know how Tha it equates.

A lot of the tradies I know are very very busy

[Guest]

I still don't understand what the issue is.

This should be good news.

Skyba, I'm guessing you are a Brit and would not appreciate a foreigner coming in and undercutting you so you lose your job.

 

This legislation will ensure that Brits and/or EU members get the jobs first and foremost.

It's a problem for Uk born people who happen to want to bring their non EU born partners and family to live in their country of birth many are already shut out due to the crazy earning/savings requirement. Making it higher is even more crazy. How is it fair that someone born there are shut out due to finance? What about their human right to live in their county of birth with their spouse and children? It's wrong and unfair.

[Parley]

I don't think those people are effected.

They would be on a spouse visa or equivalent.

 

Can you provide a single example of a spouse being deported ? I doubt you can.

[Skyba]

Don't know what part of the country you are in .....i have mates from the black country ,decent sized building firms ....

He has just taken on 2 more tradies ....£160 a day & van & phone

Don't know how Tha it equates.

A lot of the tradies I know are very very busy

 

 

 

Whoever they are they are telling you porkies... I get a bit more than £160 a day but I have to do 10 hour days for it and I'm self employed, chippies are on about £12 per hour, plumbers about £15/16 per hour. On the books you won't see an electrical job going for more than £30k basic unless it's a specialised role in manufacturing where they require electrical engineers with PLC experience and most of those want you to have a HNC or HND. And I live in Bristol probably one of the busiest places for construction.

[Guest]

I don't think those people are effected.

They would be on a spouse visa or equivalent.

 

Can you provide a single example of a spouse being deported ? I doubt you can.

No of course not i'm simply pointing out that if they are increasing the income limit for non EU migrants. It probably won't be long before they increase the income limit for non eu spouse visa's which already shuts out many Example a stay at home Uk born parent has no chance of being able to return to their country of birth with their non eu born partner/spouse. Hardly fair and surely is a breach of human rights that seems to get used as a means to stop deportation of many undesirables in the Uk but doesn't have any sway for Uk born partners who happen to have non Eu born partners. surely Uk born people should have the human right to bring their partners to their country of birth ( without harsh in my mind restrictions).

[Parley]

Yes if they are legitimate marriages.

Many are shams though just to get the person into the country.

[Guest]

Yes if they are legitimate marriages.

Many are shams though just to get the person into the country.

Many are not surely someone who has a child or has been in a long term marriage/realtionship clearly is not a sham. Why penalize everyone there's better ways to combat shams. To my mind the income/saving requirement for non eu partners/spouses is just a way to be seen to be doing something about the numbers of migrants entering the UK. Be better of doing something about the number of eu born people coming which of course they can't do. Now the EU want to make the UK take in more refugees via a quota system. Most if not all of which will need all sorts benefits.

Edited January 21, 2016 by Guest

[Sustain]

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In addition to the annual 35k the employer will pay an annual levy of 1,000

[Marisawright]

Yes if they are legitimate marriages.

Many are shams though just to get the person into the country.

 

True and I'm all for having tough financial hurdles to make that kind of thing difficult. What I don't understand is why a couple who've been married over 10 years and have children, are faced with exactly the same financial hurdles.

[Quokka2005]

So does that mean if I met someone while travelling and we wanted to go back to the UK then that's how much they would have to earn?! I already knew it was £22,000 or something like that. I wasn't earning anywhere near that back home

[Skyba]

Many are not surely someone who has a child or has been in a long term marriage/realtionship clearly is not a sham. Why penalize everyone there's better ways to combat shams.

 

 

Because thats the tory way! It won't effect them or anyone they know so why worry...

 

They had had a problem with false benefit claimants, albeit a very small problem that equated to 1% of benefit claims. Their way of dealing with it, put sanctions on anyone and everyone regardless of their ability to work.

[bunbury61]

Whoever they are they are telling you porkies... I get a bit more than £160 a day but I have to do 10 hour days for it and I'm self employed, chippies are on about £12 per hour, plumbers about £15/16 per hour. On the books you won't see an electrical job going for more than £30k basic unless it's a specialised role in manufacturing where they require electrical engineers with PLC experience and most of those want you to have a HNC or HND. And I live in Bristol probably one of the busiest places for construction.

 

Really ,have it your way .

[bunbury61]

Really ,have it your way .

 

Its funny because one of my best pals is a roofer .....£150 8 hr day.....you need to raise your prices

[Petals]

I also read that the NHS and Schools will be missing a lot of employees. Fat cats come up with these solutions from their meetings and chats and they never work. There is always a backlash and downside and they see the votes disappearing down the toilet and change their minds. Also we have to remember that unemployment for a lot of the recipients is their job and they do not want a job. No employer is going to employ someone who just wants the sack. Same here in Aus and whilst there are family benefits etc some people will have no intention of working. See Aus is now going to crack down on defacto relationships that double dip. The social experiment has been very good for most of us but unfortunately like everything there are the head workers who make a quid illegally. I guess the Aussies NZ and Americans will just be illegal immigrants in future.

[Skyba]

Really ,have it your way .

 

whats that supposed to mean lol?? its a fact, I'm actually looking for work at the moment and I look every day, plenty of jobs on the books but I'm looking for subby work. ALL of them are between £24k and £30k, manufacturing maintenance electrician with a HNC OR HND, I've seen a few advertised and they are around £32-35k.

 

You only have to search electrician job near Bristol and you will see them all on indeed and see the facts.

[Skyba]

Its funny because one of my best pals is a roofer .....£150 8 hr day.....you need to raise your prices

 

 

He is obviously self employed.... That's the point I already made, you will get £150 a day if you sub contract direct to a company or work on a self employed basis finding your own work, I never said that wasn't possible I actually said it was. Agency work is £16 per hour, no way a roofer would get that through an agency, most chippies I work with who do roofs get £100 a day. I was talking about jobs on the books, you won't get more than £30k average is £27k. It's not about raising prices that's the going rate.

 

If if I was finding my own work direct to the customer I'd be charging £200 a day, and I do charge that when i do my own work but not everyone wants to be self employed. I know I won't want to be once I get to Australia

Edited January 21, 2016 by Skyba

[bunbury61]

whats that supposed to mean lol?? its a fact, I'm actually looking for work at the moment and I look every day, plenty of jobs on the books but I'm looking for subby work. ALL of them are between £24k and £30k, manufacturing maintenance electrician with a HNC OR HND, I've seen a few advertised and they are around £32-35k.

 

You only have to search electrician job near Bristol and you will see them all on indeed and see the facts.

 

I tell you what " have it your way " means .

Whatever I say ,you have your opinion .

You are calling your opinions FACT ,they may be fact for Bristol ,but they may not be fact for elsewhere .

These are your opinions not facts .

The reason I said " have it your way " is i haven't got time to have hundreds of posts and replies bouncing backwards and forwards .

I posted something ,you not only replied ,but accused me of telling porkies ,which is a bit naughty .

Now I said " have it your way "

[BacktoDemocracy]

I think the major issue here is that this is simply an unthought out, kneejerk ,populist, reaction to peoples prejudices, one assumes that if people are employed they got the job in competition with the indigenous workforce and getting rid of them will not automatically mean that a Brit is going to be available to do that particular job, this is obviously the case in the health service, education and no doubt a number of other fields, also where are the workers going to come from to build the Tories much vaunted 200,000 new homes, after years of not investing in proper training every contractor is saying they don't have the manpower to expand production, as always the Tories imagine that they can wind down infrastructure investment and then simply turn the tap on when they get rumbled and awkward questions get asked.

[Skyba]

whats that supposed to mean lol?? its a fact, I'm actually looking for work at the moment and I look every day, plenty of jobs on the books but I'm looking for subby work. ALL of them are between £24k and £30k, manufacturing maintenance electrician with a HNC OR HND, I've seen a few advertised and they are around £32-35k.

 

You only have to search electrician job near Bristol and you will see them all on indeed and see the facts.

 

I tell you what " have it your way " means .

Whatever I say ,you have your opinion .

You are calling your opinions FACT ,they may be fact for Bristol ,but they may not be fact for elsewhere .

These are your opinions not facts .

The reason I said " have it your way " is i haven't got time to have hundreds of posts and replies bouncing backwards and forwards .

I posted something ,you not only replied ,but accused me of telling porkies ,which is a bit naughty .

Now I said " have it your way "

 

ok then, just to point out, I'm not calling you a liar just pointing out that the going rate for trades is usually pretty much the same for Birmingham, Bristol etc even in London the price of sunbird doesn't really change, I work in this field and I get daily updates about work because I work as a sub contractor so it's per of my job to know the rates. So it is fact, you can't just say it's not because Paul up the road told me XYZ. http://www.indeed.co.uk/m/jobs?q=Electrician&l=Birmingham have a look at that, it's electrician jobs in your area, all say exactly what they do in the Bristol area £12-20 per hour meaning improver will get £12 sparks will get about £15 and overtime rate at £20. There's one job there for £40k, which is a technician so which is the Plc experiences manufacturing guy I was talking about, although the £40k is a top end and £28 is bottom so the £40k is probably overtime.

 

Just saying

[Thom]

 

Look st my signature, I am an English person who had been granted a visa to work in Australia, it would be somewhat hypocritical of me to sit here giving it the "bloody foreigners coming here taking our jobs" routine, in a few months i will be that bloody foreigner.

 

 

 

I'm assuming you went through the legal process, as did I, before deciding to transfer. That's a far different route to just walking into a country and looking for a job.