bell123321 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Just read about this in the Independent that they are going to raise the required earnings for people settling in the UK. I think it is ridiculous I hardly know anyone who earns £35k a year. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-urged-to-rethink-new-35000-earnings-threshold-for-non-eu-migrants-as-teachers-face-a6814841.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marisawright Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Ouch. It's a good example of what we were talking about on some other threads, warning people not to bank on being able to sponsor a spouse or parent in the future (whether to come to Australia or to the UK). Everywhere seems to be making it more expensive and more difficult to get visas, it will be out of a lot of people's reach soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sustain Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 So shortly a café filled with 6 figure accountants trying to work out how to operate the self serve coffee machine? Solicitors debating how to solve a complicated baby delivery Architects trying to put up a brace wall while maintaining one hand on the contract the other on the calculator Pilots running back to the controls after serving croissants and coffee to the above Meanwhile whose fixing me toilet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bound4Tassie Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 I cant load the whole article...but the first paragraph says non eu migrants who have been in the UK for 5 years will have to prove they earn over £35k. I assume that's not relating to those with indefinite leave to remain?? Otherwise my poor teacher husband is getting deported in April! ( not that he'd care!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 So shortly a café filled with 6 figure accountants trying to work out how to operate the self serve coffee machine? Solicitors debating how to solve a complicated baby delivery Architects trying to put up a brace wall while maintaining one hand on the contract the other on the calculator Pilots running back to the controls after serving croissants and coffee to the above Meanwhile whose fixing me toilet? A hard working British plumber. Unless the UK has full employment why would you want to be giving away all your jobs to foreigners ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newjez Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Just read about this in the Independent that they are going to raise the required earnings for people settling in the UK. I think it is ridiculous I hardly know anyone who earns £35k a year. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-urged-to-rethink-new-35000-earnings-threshold-for-non-eu-migrants-as-teachers-face-a6814841.html Many recognised professionals, IT, engineering, medicine, architecture, many in the building trade. It will hit nurses and teachers, but nurses are exempt, and are there many foreign teachers? Don't know who will do the caring or cleaning though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Is everyone in the EU too posh to clean ? Do you need to bring in people from the Philippines or somewhere ? What rubbish. Plenty of Brits will love to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyba Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Many recognised professionals, IT, engineering, medicine, architecture, many in the building trade. It will hit nurses and teachers, but nurses are exempt, and are there many foreign teachers? Don't know who will do the caring or cleaning though. I work in in the building trade, I'm an electrician and the only way an electrician will earn over £35k is with overtime or owning their own company. I'm self employed and get over that but the average for an approved electrician which is a higher qualified electrician which I am is around £27k on the books, and the course to become that qualified only has a 40% pass rate. And electricians are probably the highest paid of the trades in the UK. The only people on a building site on over £35k basic are project managers, site managers and formen, and even foremen would be pushed to earn over £35k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 I still don't understand what the issue is. This should be good news. Skyba, I'm guessing you are a Brit and would not appreciate a foreigner coming in and undercutting you so you lose your job. This legislation will ensure that Brits and/or EU members get the jobs first and foremost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newjez Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 I still don't understand what the issue is.This should be good news. Skyba, I'm guessing you are a Brit and would not appreciate a foreigner coming in and undercutting you so you lose your job. This legislation will ensure that Brits and/or EU members get the jobs first and foremost. It will ensure alot of people pay their taxes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bibbs Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 I think it is ridiculous I hardly know anyone who earns £35k a year. Good news for your friends then. They'll not have competition from people abroad for their jobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinkla Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Unless the UK has full employment why would you want to be giving away all your jobs to foreigners ? Because they will bring competition and innovation. You're a Tory, remember, so you like these things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Low paid workers won't which is why they have set a hurdle to jump over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinkla Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Low paid workers won't which is why they have set a hurdle to jump over. Of course they will - plus by expanding the population they create a larger economy. I'm surprised you are advocating protectionism for low paid workers as that is normally the preserve of the far left - the right oppose it vehemently because it leads to higher wages, higher cost bases and general lack of competitiveness. Even much of the centre left has come to share this view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 I'm all for employee locals wherever possible rather than bringing in foreigners to do a job. So many jobs are filled by foreigners that could easily be done by Australians. Why on earth would you want low paid indians, pakistanis and the like coming in and hoovering up all the low paid jobs, forcing Brits onto the dole ? Makes no sense to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flag of convenience Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Low paid workers won't which is why they have set a hurdle to jump over. Nothing to do with that as low skilled Eastern Europeans enter with impunity. It is to give the appearance that they are doing something to control numbers. Something the tabloids have been broadcasting a long time and to put a dent in UKIP support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinkla Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 I'm all for employee locals wherever possible rather than bringing in foreigners to do a job. So many jobs are filled by foreigners that could easily be done by Australians. Why on earth would you want low paid indians, pakistanis and the like coming in and hoovering up all the low paid jobs, forcing Brits onto the dole ? Makes no sense to me. Where to begin? First, you seem to have an assumption that any country has only a fixed number of jobs. This is wrong. More people generate more economic activity which generates more jobs. The greater the range of skills, innovation and flexibility you have in the labour market, the stronger your economy will be. Imagine your village. If you didn't bring in outsiders, it would still have a blacksmith, a butcher, a merchant, a priest, a teacher, a lawyer, a farmer and a lot of labourers. But bring in outside workers and you have more flexibility so some of the labourers can spend time with the teacher, getting educated and then maybe go off and work on "project electricity". Once you have electricity, you can automate a lot of the labour - and possibly the blacksmith, and then get people engaged on "project combustion engine". Then you have mobility and the merchant can get better stuff to sell, which will attract more people which will grow the economy. You create a virtuous cycle. But if you put up the barriers and prevent movement and free trade, you will choke the economy, get beaten for efficiency by freer markets and your expensive workers will lose their jobs anyway. I guess that's why we have economists to run the economy and we leave Team BNP to run the hate campaigns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flag of convenience Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 I'm all for employee locals wherever possible rather than bringing in foreigners to do a job. So many jobs are filled by foreigners that could easily be done by Australians. Why on earth would you want low paid indians, pakistanis and the like coming in and hoovering up all the low paid jobs, forcing Brits onto the dole ? Makes no sense to me. Just how many 'low skilled ' people from the Sub Continent get in? Very few. Brits on the dole? Look no further than cheap European labour long coming in from al points East. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Unfortunately they can't stop the EU lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinkla Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 (edited) [redacted] Edited January 20, 2016 by Quinkla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 As I said, i am not happy about foreigners taking the jobs of Brits or Australians here. I came here as a child so not really like what you said at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinkla Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 (edited) I came here as a child so not really like what you said at all. Unless you are a Barnardos orphan - in which case I am sorry ... [redacted] Edited January 20, 2016 by Quinkla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bell123321 Posted January 20, 2016 Author Share Posted January 20, 2016 I just think the amount is to high. A lot of skilled jobs in the UK do not pay that amount (Yes some do but there is a lot that don't). If it is a skilled job that is in demand in the UK there shouldn't be a cap on minimum amount to earn. EU is another story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Unless you are a Barnardos orphan - in which case I am sorry - then it is your parents who did what you are trying to deny others the opportunity to do. Plus, you hardly seem to have made much of a fist of assimilation, given your continuing pre-occupation with British expat forums and British politics. Apology accepted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish.01 Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Having a fixed number right across the country may further entrench the south as the destination of migrants. Salary levels vary so much for the same job in different locales and this isn't taken into account. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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