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21 minutes ago, Marisawright said:

But how old were you in the 60s?  Attitudes were changing and in the more progressive parts of the country, young women were certainly becoming very independent. However that still left most adult women (i.e. those over 30) stuck in their 1950's marriages.  

I was still at school in the '60s but I can remember the kerfuffle when I turned up at my new job, in the early 70s, wearing a trouser suit.  

I agree with you that attitudes have changed but not everything for the better, by a long shot.   One thing that saddens me is remembering how we all threw away our panti-girdles in the 70s.  We got comfortable with our bodies -- do you remember the communal dressing rooms in the department stores?  Nowadays I see a lot of young women so ashamed of their bodies that they'll hide in the toilet cubicles at the gym or the pool to get changed.  And they're all buying Spanx -- which is just a modern version of the girdle -- and many are spending thousands on changing the shape of their faces with fillers and Botox.  It's worse than the 50s in that sense.

In my 20’s and with it enough to wear seriously short mini dresses!! Not old enough to know anyone who married in 50’s, so won’t comment on how they felt as I have no idea, , but many of my friends married in the early 60’s, and like me never felt a martyr. 

Massive changes in attitudes, occur over each decade, it’s impossible to compare 1950 to 1960. There was still rationing which I remember, to a sense of complete contrast by 1960. 

Which countries were the Maxwell house adverts broadcast? 

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7 hours ago, Marisawright said:

Revered my foot. Men might talk about revering their role as mothers but the result was that most women felt they had to be martyrs to their families.   I'm sure all the men were happier because they had a little housekeeper at home doing all the drudge work.  

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On 20/04/2023 at 06:28, Parley said:

Netflix is copping a lot of flack for casting a black actress to play Cleopatra.

Another case of them trying to be woke and politically correct. Doesn't matter if you rewrite history in the process obviously.

Jesus has been played by a white guy for the last 2000 years, so I'm guessing maybe that set the precident?

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14 hours ago, ramot said:

In my 20’s and with it enough to wear seriously short mini dresses!! Not old enough to know anyone who married in 50’s,

What about your parents and your parents' friends, aunts and uncles, cousins?   Surely you were aware of what their lives were like.  I was very aware of how different my life was becoming, compared to the lives of women older than me.   I'm sure you never felt a martyr nor did your friends who married in the 60s, but the Maxwell House ads were probably created by men much older than you at the time, and they were still oblivious to (or resistant to) that change in attitudes.

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3 hours ago, Marisawright said:

What about your parents and your parents' friends, aunts and uncles, cousins?   Surely you were aware of what their lives were like.  I was very aware of how different my life was becoming, compared to the lives of women older than me.   I'm sure you never felt a martyr nor did your friends who married in the 60s, but the Maxwell House ads were probably created by men much older than you at the time, and they were still oblivious to (or resistant to) that change in attitudes.

All a bit personal!! Actually no i wasn’t aware is the answer, as  my mother was a single struggling mother, working full time in London, by the time I was 11. only one grandparent alive when I was born, grandfather living in Cornwall who we couldn’t afford to visit, both parents were only children so absolutely no aunts, uncles or cousins, no stable background for me. So a very different isolated life from the one you suggest, I didn’t go to school locally, because I had moved more times than I remember before I went to senior school, my father had been  in the army  the few friends mothers I knew bear no similarity to the life you describe, or you assume  I led..

it might be very different perhaps for people who stayed mostly in one area, perhaps had a big family, so more involved with each other, but moving yet again to a different part of London, there was very little chance of the lifestyle you mentioned, and as a teenager interest in married  women’s apparent  downtrodden lives  never crossed my mind. I was too busy coping with my own, not downtrodden, teenager years, and our family of mother, brother and me surviving on her wage.

the adverts were ridiculous, but were they on UK TV? 

 

 

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9 hours ago, Blue Manna said:

Jesus has been played by a white guy for the last 2000 years, so I'm guessing maybe that set the precident?

Not true 

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4 hours ago, ramot said:

All a bit personal!! Actually no i wasn’t aware is the answer, as  my mother was a single struggling mother, working full time in London, by the time I was 11. only one grandparent alive when I was born, grandfather living in Cornwall who we couldn’t afford to visit, both parents were only children so absolutely no aunts, uncles or cousins, no stable background for me. So a very different isolated life from the one you suggest, I didn’t go to school locally, because I had moved more times than I remember before I went to senior school, my father had been  in the army  the few friends mothers I knew bear no similarity to the life you describe, or you assume  I led..

it might be very different perhaps for people who stayed mostly in one area, perhaps had a big family, so more involved with each other, but moving yet again to a different part of London, there was very little chance of the lifestyle you mentioned, and as a teenager interest in married  women’s apparent  downtrodden lives  never crossed my mind. I was too busy coping with my own, not downtrodden, teenager years, and our family of mother, brother and me surviving on her wage.

the adverts were ridiculous, but were they on UK TV? 

I'm guessing that these Maxwell ads were American because the US flag is flying at the back of the boat, although I've no idea if they were on UK TV as it's a bit before my time. Let's hope not - it'd be great if we could totally disown this one!
 

 


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Not true 
Roman Occupied Judea had Greeks and Romans buzzing about. In fact, people with Brown hair were quite common around the Roman Empire and the oldest depictions of Jesus had him having brown hair. I say this as a Filipino Catholic.

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Applicants seeking to join RAF described as 'useless white male pilots' in bid to hit 'impossible' diversity targets

Leaked emails show the pressure apparently being applied to filter out white male recruits and fast-track women and ethnic minorities. It can also be revealed 31 white men are to receive £5,000 each to compensate them for being unfairly disadvantaged by the approach.

https://news.sky.com/story/raf-recruiters-were-advised-against-selecting-useless-white-male-pilots-to-hit-diversity-targets-12893684

What an insult to the White male pilots that have given their lives.

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5 hours ago, simmo said:

Applicants seeking to join RAF described as 'useless white male pilots' in bid to hit 'impossible' diversity targets

Leaked emails show the pressure apparently being applied to filter out white male recruits and fast-track women and ethnic minorities. It can also be revealed 31 white men are to receive £5,000 each to compensate them for being unfairly disadvantaged by the approach.

https://news.sky.com/story/raf-recruiters-were-advised-against-selecting-useless-white-male-pilots-to-hit-diversity-targets-12893684

What an insult to the White male pilots that have given their lives.

 

If this is true, the world is going mad.  I seem to be saying that a lot these days.

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The word "useless" was used in the context of adding more white male targets won't help them to hit diversity targets.  Not that white male pilots are useless.  That's a clickbait headline.

The real story seems to be that having fallen behind against targets, there was then a push to prioritise women and ethnic minorities on upcoming intakes - this being contrary to their established practice of doing so in order of people qualifying.    That's not fair.  The effort needs to go into attracting a more representative cross-section of society to apply, not selecting people from the pool that do apply in an unrepresentative proportion to hit the targets.

Clearly a lot of work to be done.  Women make up just 12% and ethnic minorities just 10%.   Nothing like our population

 


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34 minutes ago, FirstWorldProblems said:

The word "useless" was used in the context of adding more white male targets won't help them to hit diversity targets.  Not that white male pilots are useless.  That's a clickbait headline.

The real story seems to be that having fallen behind against targets, there was then a push to prioritise women and ethnic minorities on upcoming intakes - this being contrary to their established practice of doing so in order of people qualifying.    That's not fair.  The effort needs to go into attracting a more representative cross-section of society to apply, not selecting people from the pool that do apply in an unrepresentative proportion to hit the targets.

Clearly a lot of work to be done.  Women make up just 12% and ethnic minorities just 10%.   Nothing like our population

 

Surely the recruiters would select the best/most suitable person for the job no matter the colour of their skin or gender.

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1 minute ago, Toots said:

Surely the recruiters would select the best/most suitable person for the job no matter the colour of their skin or gender.

That's what happened.  The chief recruiter said "nope" and it blew up.

Most organisations (certainly the good ones), when trying to improve diversity so that it better aligns to the population (and thus their customers - very important!)  don't set out to positively discriminate in order to redress balance.   They:

  • remove potential points of discrimination from the recruitment process.  Training awareness for unconscious bias, removal of name, gender and age from CV's before sending to hiring managers etc.
  • put their energies into widening the diversity of applicants.  Changing how job specs are written so they don't put off women (who tend not to apply if that can't hit all the criteria, whereas men are likely to give it a punt), advertising via mediums that are used by different age groups, collaborating with schools/uni's in disadvantaged areas etc.
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1 hour ago, FirstWorldProblems said:

The word "useless" was used in the context of adding more white male targets won't help them to hit diversity targets.  Not that white male pilots are useless.  That's a clickbait headline.

The real story seems to be that having fallen behind against targets, there was then a push to prioritise women and ethnic minorities on upcoming intakes - this being contrary to their established practice of doing so in order of people qualifying.    That's not fair.  The effort needs to go into attracting a more representative cross-section of society to apply, not selecting people from the pool that do apply in an unrepresentative proportion to hit the targets.

Clearly a lot of work to be done.  Women make up just 12% and ethnic minorities just 10%.   Nothing like our population

 

So you believe 50% of RAF pilots should be woman?

 

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6 hours ago, FirstWorldProblems said:

The word "useless" was used in the context of adding more white male targets won't help them to hit diversity targets.  Not that white male pilots are useless.  That's a clickbait headline.

The real story seems to be that having fallen behind against targets, there was then a push to prioritise women and ethnic minorities on upcoming intakes - this being contrary to their established practice of doing so in order of people qualifying.    That's not fair.  The effort needs to go into attracting a more representative cross-section of society to apply, not selecting people from the pool that do apply in an unrepresentative proportion to hit the targets.

Clearly a lot of work to be done.  Women make up just 12% and ethnic minorities just 10%.   Nothing like our population

 

You need the best people to be in these positions, if it happens to be a “ white male “so be it 

you can stick your diversity right up you know where ( not you personally) 

it’s absolute bs 

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43 minutes ago, Rallyman said:

You need the best people to be in these positions, if it happens to be a “ white male “so be it 

you can stick your diversity right up you know where ( not you personally) 

it’s absolute bs 

Which is what generally happens- except in this case where it was rightly resisted and outed. 
 

But to highlight another element for a moment, it’s not always about the individual for a given role.  Diverse teams are better teams. Society comprises great diversity (age, gender, socio-economic, education, health/ability) and customers reflect that.  To develop, market, sell and deliver a product that works for a market, I need a team around me that is a reflection of my target customer base. If they are all like me, our experiences is going to shape similar thinking and it might not hit the mark as a result. So sometimes when hiring, the best individual might not make the best team. 
 

One newer factor I am seeing in business now is that companies coming out for tender for large procurements are increasingly scoring based on how many people from the supplier company are based in the customers local community.    They want some of the money they spend to stay in the community and help it be sustainable instead of it all going off to other regions (or countries).  It’s admirable but quite a challenge. 

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14 hours ago, FirstWorldProblems said:

The word "useless" was used in the context of adding more white male targets won't help them to hit diversity targets.  Not that white male pilots are useless.  That's a clickbait headline.

The real story seems to be that having fallen behind against targets, there was then a push to prioritise women and ethnic minorities on upcoming intakes - this being contrary to their established practice of doing so in order of people qualifying.    That's not fair.  The effort needs to go into attracting a more representative cross-section of society to apply, not selecting people from the pool that do apply in an unrepresentative proportion to hit the targets.

Clearly a lot of work to be done.  Women make up just 12% and ethnic minorities just 10%.   Nothing like our population

 

Glad you clarified that - the headline is very misleading.


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14 hours ago, Toots said:

Surely the recruiters would select the best/most suitable person for the job no matter the colour of their skin or gender.

C'mon Toots, that would be far too sensible!

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16 hours ago, simmo said:

So you believe 50% of RAF pilots should be woman?

 

No I don’t 

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21 hours ago, Toots said:

Surely the recruiters would select the best/most suitable person for the job no matter the colour of their skin or gender.

Add the expensive cost of pilot training into the mix, then by not selecting the best person for pilot training based on diversity,  logically more will fail the training, thereby costing the country money, just because of box ticking.

As the wife of ‘a useless white male ‘ RAF pilot for 20 years, (what an insult to him and all RAF pilots, irrespective of the supposed explanation)   it’s a highly skilled demanding job, so it’s crucial that all the applicants have the right qualifications to apply, and get the chance to train as pilots, and not refused because of quotas

 

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On 02/06/2023 at 04:40, FirstWorldProblems said:

Which is what generally happens- except in this case where it was rightly resisted and outed. 
 

But to highlight another element for a moment, it’s not always about the individual for a given role.  Diverse teams are better teams. Society comprises great diversity (age, gender, socio-economic, education, health/ability) and customers reflect that.  To develop, market, sell and deliver a product that works for a market, I need a team around me that is a reflection of my target customer base. If they are all like me, our experiences is going to shape similar thinking and it might not hit the mark as a result. So sometimes when hiring, the best individual might not make the best team. 
 

One newer factor I am seeing in business now is that companies coming out for tender for large procurements are increasingly scoring based on how many people from the supplier company are based in the customers local community.    They want some of the money they spend to stay in the community and help it be sustainable instead of it all going off to other regions (or countries).  It’s admirable but quite a challenge. 

Diversity is shit. Filipinos are more genetically and racially diverse than the average Australian and for a longer time period too...

 

"The diversity here is immense such that I could go on forever trying to differentiate lands and peoples. There are Castilians from all provinces. There are Portuguese and Italians; Dutch, Greeks and Canary Islanders, and Mexican Indians. There are slaves from Africa brought by the Spaniards [Through America], and others brought by the Portuguese [Through India]. There is an African Moor with his turban here. There are Javanese from Java, Japanese and Bengalese from Bengal. Among all these people are the Chinese whose numbers here are untold and who outnumber everyone else. From China there are peoples so different from each other, and from provinces as distant, as Italy is from Spain. Finally, of the mestizos, the mixed-race people here, I cannot even write because in Manila there is no limit to combinations of peoples with peoples. This is in the city where all the buzz is."

(Remesal, 1629: 680–1)

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manila

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Yet we're dirt poor compared to our ethnically homogenous Asian rivals Korea and Japan.

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Take off those Commie Red Glasses.

Diversity isnt worth it, when you can obviously see diverse as hell Filipinos get outcompeted by ethnically homogenous Koreans and Japanese.

In fact having a single race, culture, and language gave them a head start.

While ethnically pure Japan and Korea was focused on their ethnocentric exceptionalism plotting their domination of the world via their ethnocentrism, easy to achieve since they are one people of one purpose...

 

Meanwhile, the Philippines is tied down by the massive burden of having a diverse population. Islamic insurgencies in the restive south lead by its Arab-Malay Aristocracy opposing the Christian majority while the Hispanic elites  rule the Christian provinces like a medieval fief applying their white on top caste system on the Malays and Negritos and treating the lesser castes like a harem or cattle. Majority Chinese-Filipino Maoist rebellions constantly destroying the countryside and oppurtinistic Bombay (Kelings or Indians) 5-6 loan sharks profiteering from the carnage while half American half Filipino Amerasians who are often the sons and daughters of prostitutes and American sexpats wander the streets of Angeles and Clark cities whoring themselves again. All the while Mexican cartels are leveraging the links colonial Philippines had with the Viceroyalty of New Spain (Spanish era Mexico) to distribute Colombian coccaine to willing Asian customers. Each ethnic group wanting to put their interests over and above the others'.

 

Behold! The "DIVERSITY" you worship!

 

Trust me you have no idea what you are up against by your blind worship of diversity.

 

You are playing with fire!

 

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There is a trend in UK schools for school children to self identify as various types of animals and insist on being named as such by their teachers.

A few cats, a dinosaur and various others.

I suppose in a world where it has become accepted for men to identify as women and women to identify as men, this was the next step in the chain.

We should have seen this coming. Piers was right when he said (jokingly) he wanted to identify as a penguin.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/19/school-children-identifying-as-animals-furries/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr

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5 hours ago, Parley said:

There is a trend in UK schools for school children to self identify as various types of animals and insist on being named as such by their teachers.

A few cats, a dinosaur and various others.

I suppose in a world where it has become accepted for men to identify as women and women to identify as men, this was the next step in the chain.

We should have seen this coming. Piers was right when he said (jokingly) he wanted to identify as a penguin.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/19/school-children-identifying-as-animals-furries/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr

I would have had a field day.

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