Scrutineer 503 Posted March 2, 2015 (edited) You know as well as I do you have made no points that are not straight out of the fascist manifesto. Sadly those of such a persuasion that actually graduate high school are said by some as being the more dangerous. I'm afraid from what I've read of your efforts to date I must question that. The Left do have a bit of a penchant for describing their opponents as either fascists or mad. It's just what they do. We're used to it. They do it because having their entire ideology based on idealism they have little else to counter reality with other than personal insults. It is a rule of political debate that between the right and left it is always the left that impugn the character of their opponents first, as we have seen on this forum in the last 24 hours. It's all there in the thread archives for anyone to see. Edited March 2, 2015 by Scrutineer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Que Sera Sera 6,268 Posted March 2, 2015 The Left do have a bit of a penchant for describing their opponents as either fascists or mad. It's just what they do. We're used to it. And the right will have all the lefts as "looneys" hey ho. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flag of convenience 3,987 Posted March 2, 2015 The Left do have a bit of a penchant for describing their opponents as either fascists or mad. It's just what they do. We're used to it. They do it because having their entire ideology based on idealism they have little else to counter reality with other than personal insults. It is a rule of political debate that between the right and left it is always the left that impugn the character of their opponents first, as we have seen on this forum in the last 24 hours. It's all there in the thread archives for anyone to see. No this leftist doesn't use the term lightly. You have nailed your colours firmly to the mast. Fascist sentiment is about the taking away of freedom and dictating thought. It other words control over the masses. I would imagine your citing of Plato suggests in part where your authoritarian view perhaps originates and fear of freedom of the individual arises. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beach pig 399 Posted March 2, 2015 Problem being if fascism isn't confronted in the bud, it can be cancerous and as such grow to unhealthy levels. Hatred and fear needs to be challenged and beaten from whatever quarter . So does radical Islam. Do you agree? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flag of convenience 3,987 Posted March 2, 2015 No this leftist doesn't use the term lightly. You have nailed your colours firmly to the mast. Fascist sentiment is about the taking away of freedom and dictating thought. It other words control over the masses. I would imagine your citing of Plato suggests in part where your authoritarian view perhaps originates and fear of freedom of the individual arises. I may have thought a little original thinking may have resulted rather than the re churned up old right wing babble with regards to not being understand. Rather the opposite I think your thinking is very much understood and all clear thinking and fair people wouldn't want a bar of the hatred peddled out by the extreme right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flag of convenience 3,987 Posted March 2, 2015 So does radical Islam. Do you agree? In this case fascism is what was referred to. As no desire to repeat previous expressed sentiment on the matter please refer to previous post that gave the answer to that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beach pig 399 Posted March 2, 2015 Tell me there is not a reason to doubt/fear the Right Wing fascist fanatics with the atrocities committed in the name of their misguided ideology. Not a wig in sight. Look I am not fond of any ultra right wing group from any side be it knuckle dragging skinheads or Muslims who read the Koran upside down.all I want is some middle ground where we can all get on.i just wish we heard more from the Muslim community denouncing/ mass marches against this evil which portrays Islam in a bad light. Look I am sure not all want sharia but a vast majority of the minority do.their lies the problem. I was always told be aware of the quiet man.in this case the Muslims being the quiet man. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beach pig 399 Posted March 2, 2015 Golden Dawn leaders all in prison, the proper place for violent fascists to be of course. The party was in decline last time I looked it was The Socialists in control, I agree EU may well push the populace to extremes and the fascists may begin to rise. Blame that on the flawed economic system and the banksters doing a great job to bring us all down. I have already given you Hungary, (think of your own )brought about by economic realities in lowering living standards, hardly a nation judged to be an example of political future expectations. I have already stated it is the Left on the rise. Greece, Big gains in the forth coming Spanish elections, back in Sweden, The FN has curtailed their extremes under Le Pen to become more a right of centre party in order to gain approval. Even in the 90''s Le FN ran as the main opposition party to be heavily defeated by Chirac. Nothing new in France. Germany the /Right have declined. Their antics unsupportable by most Germans. Even the respected right under Merkel is finding the going hard. The EDL and NF don't make me laugh. You must be young the NF were up to the same old antics decades back with all sorts of dire warnings then. A few gains in local electorates was as good as it got. British don't go for extreme politics of either side. Even back in 66 Enoch couldn't make much of a fist of it when in those days it would be expected a lot of the working class were in fear of his rants of foreign invasion as well as witness to the changes at street level. Well if the left is on the rise, why is it we are having all these problems now. Makes you wander. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulv 2,087 Posted March 2, 2015 Another observation. I started this post to highlight that the far right arranged a march in a UK city and were outnumbered. Yet rather than discuss this fact and any wider implications this may or may not have, the thread has been totally taken over by people replicating the same mindset as the outnumbered marchers. Firstly they have tried to justify the scapegoating of the largest ethnic minority in the UK, then turned their ire/venom (delete as appropriate) on anyone who does not agree with that view. Make of that what you will. "An inspirational leader...exceptionally enthusiastic, committed and motivated" OFSTED 2014. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beach pig 399 Posted March 2, 2015 Only if you equate Fascism on both sides (including ISIS) as being akin. ISIS is a philosophy without country in the real sense and can operate most anywhere. Of course their ideal is the creation of a United Islamic state, putting it simply but is hardly equal to the Nazi state that was formed from within established German borders. A big difference being once the Nazi state was defeated so was the philosophy. ISIS or like minded groups have the potential to fight for ever basically. They do not fear death, they inhabit a region in turmoil, that no western intervention has to date managed to pacify, even after two wars, so nothing very similar imo. Yep your right, they are living right under our noses.something hitler never accomplished.so when the **** hits the fan and I don't mean another beheading or mass rapes of white/ Hindu school kids on british soil:cry:, I mean a dirty great bomb. What would the solution be internment like the us did with the Japanese after pearl harbour.or would that not be right. How much more rope do we give because at the moment it's a bloody long rope. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beach pig 399 Posted March 2, 2015 Only if you equate Fascism on both sides (including ISIS) as being akin. ISIS is a philosophy without country in the real sense and can operate most anywhere. Of course their ideal is the creation of a United Islamic state, putting it simply but is hardly equal to the Nazi state that was formed from within established German borders. A big difference being once the Nazi state was defeated so was the philosophy. ISIS or like minded groups have the potential to fight for ever basically. They do not fear death, they inhabit a region in turmoil, that no western intervention has to date managed to pacify, even after two wars, so nothing very similar imo. We need a Patton but then again he was silenced because of his views on russia quote( we fight them now or in the future) the future being the Cold War how right he was. Just like now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beach pig 399 Posted March 2, 2015 In this case fascism is what was referred to. As no desire to repeat previous expressed sentiment on the matter please refer to previous post that gave the answer to that. Yes or no would do not a paragraph . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Perthbum 5,725 Posted March 2, 2015 Yep your right, they are living right under our noses.something hitler never accomplished.so when the **** hits the fan and I don't mean another beheading or mass rapes of white/ Hindu school kids on british soil:cry:, I mean a dirty great bomb. What would the solution be internment like the us did with the Japanese after pearl harbour.or would that not be right. How much more rope do we give because at the moment it's a bloody long rope. Rope to whom? what are you on about, rapists go to prison for a very long time, regarding beheadings,are you talking about the atrocities going on in Syria? your post does not make much sense. Drinking rum before 11am does not make you an alcoholic, it makes you pirate.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beach pig 399 Posted March 2, 2015 Rope to whom? what are you on about, rapists go to prison for a very long time, regarding beheadings,are you talking about the atrocities going on in Syria? your post does not make much sense. It's past your bedtime.:wink::SLEEP: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HappyHeart 14,374 Posted March 2, 2015 So does radical Islam. Do you agree? Absolutely, far right fascists and radicalized jihadists are both non peace loving terrorists....there are BIG problems with BOTH sides and to deny there are is head in the sand tactics. Both operate in similar ways whipping up hatred...no time for either... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest51810 11,261 Posted March 2, 2015 Absolutely, far right fascists and radicalized jihadists are both non peace loving terrorists....there are BIG problems with BOTH sides and to deny there are is head in the sand tactics. Both operate in similar ways whipping up hatred...no time for either... I completely agree. I've never said that we don't have problems, obviously some areas do. I've watched the Stacey dooly program where the people are matching and they say something to her like she's a slut and going to hell but I just refuse to believe everybody is the same (not necessarily talking about people on here) and I don't think joining some far right group is the answer. Infact it probably just makes things a lot worse Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HappyHeart 14,374 Posted March 2, 2015 I completely agree. I've never said that we don't have problems, obviously some areas do. I've watched the Stacey dooly program where the people are matching and they say something to her like she's a slut and going to hell but I just refuse to believe everybody is the same (not necessarily talking about people on here) and I don't think joining some far right group is the answer. Infact it probably just makes things a lot worse But unfortunately the rise in popularity of those groups, especially in a sneaky way via social media, is because they prey on peoples fear and ignorance about Islam. Same way Islam youth is recruited for terrorism at a guess...brainwashing...based on fear...to make one mans warped ideology mainstream Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest51810 11,261 Posted March 2, 2015 Yep. It doesn't seem like either will get better Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HappyHeart 14,374 Posted March 2, 2015 Well it won't when people are labelled for having an opinion. We're all on the same side...supposedly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest51810 11,261 Posted March 2, 2015 I don't feel guilty about labeling some of the people who went to that march. Some of them had swastikas. I agree about on here though - I guess one side says racist while the other says things like loony left. We're all as bad as each other lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HappyHeart 14,374 Posted March 2, 2015 It's a question of balance. To throw the race card (not even a race mind) is ludicrous and a cheap shot imo. I detest racism in any form but I do think the muslim community have a problem and the stats worry me. Even more worrying is that many will keep their mouths shut but sympathise with the jihadists behind closed doors. The stats seem to speak for themselves and it is concerning. I daresay there's a significant minority that would like a return to white Australia too and 'voluntary repatriation' in UK of non whites which I personally find an abhorrent proposal... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Quoll 6,241 Posted March 2, 2015 Absolutely, far right fascists and radicalized jihadists are both non peace loving terrorists....there are BIG problems with BOTH sides and to deny there are is head in the sand tactics. Both operate in similar ways whipping up hatred...no time for either... Radicalised jihadis are about as far right fascist as you can get! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flag of convenience 3,987 Posted March 2, 2015 We need a Patton but then again he was silenced because of his views on russia quote( we fight them now or in the future) the future being the Cold War how right he was. Just like now. It would have been far easier to take on Russia at the time than to take on an idea. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flag of convenience 3,987 Posted March 2, 2015 Yes or no would do not a paragraph . Go back and read what I wrote. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
