Far right marchers massively outnumbered in Newcastle

[Siddles 10]

anyone worried about radical islam though?

[beach pig 399]

You mean where the pig becomes the tyrant and rules over the others.

I wouldn't say pig because that offends certain people. But you said it yeah the pig being Islam.

[beach pig 399]

Sadly an ill tutored minority can do a lot of harm. Hitler lays witness to that.

Exactly. Falling over myself here.

[beach pig 399]

Sadly an ill tutored minority can do a lot of harm. Hitler lays witness to that.

Glad you brought that up,Was it not chamberlin who pacified hitler then hitler invaded Poland equalling to ww2. Are we not seeing this now with Isis.the Germans went with the flow regarding hitler just like Muslims go with the flow of the preschings of Islam. They kill each other like hitlers Gestapo did to people who did not conform. We see history repeating itself in front of our very eyes.

[beach pig 399]

I wouldn't say pig because that offends certain people. But you said it yeah the pig being Islam.

Sorry I meant radical Islam. Just so its clear.

[paulv 2,087]

Hmm, a good question. As a Hobbesian I have found the more negative my prediction of a human event, the more accurate it turns out to be. Is that really paranoia? After all, the rise of the far right in Europe is real and well documented. We are creating a lethal cocktail in our societies by filling them with Muslims on the one side and far right people on the other. Definitely do not think it is paranoia to say this is not going to end well!

 

The recent history of Europe suggests that as long as everyone has economic agency and is able to look after themselves and their loved ones, political and social unrest is stymied. History also shows that opportunists and charlatans will use these economic cycles to try and gain power, to take away hard fought liberties, to point the finger at minorities as the cause of tumult.

[paulv 2,087]

This could have been penned thirty or forty years ago when paranoia remained high long before Muslims became fashionable to hate.

 

This could have been penned in 1930's Germany...

[paulv 2,087]

There is a difference between a mere assertion, which you have made here, and a factual statement. You assert that the far right is not rising in Europe, and I am stating that it is. Evidence for this would include the 24 NF seats in France, the rise of Golden Dawn, Jobbik in Hungary, and a bona fide neo-Nazi MEP in the form of Udo Voigt who openly praises Hitler and now sits in the European Parliament. All of these movements are far-right, partially racially motivated and on the rise, as is the BNP and EDL in the UK in popular support.

 

Both the BNP and EDL are defunct. Moribund. As is Golden Dawn. You need to read more widely.

[paulv 2,087]

One observation - this post referred to an event yesterday in one of the UK's city's in which far right islamophobes rallied their numbers and were able to muster less than 400 people.

In what I consider to be a true reflection of British values they were outnumbered by more than five to one by a counter demo. This would suggest that contrary to the views shared here, the far rights position is not a popular one, albeit its a deliberately populist one.

At what point will those scaremongering about Islam be convinced that we aren't all going to hell in a handcart?

Or are we expected to buy into the Orwellian situation that we are permanently at war and this is a something that we need to adapt to?

[beach pig 399]

One observation - this post referred to an event yesterday in one of the UK's city's in which far right islamophobes rallied their numbers and were able to muster less than 400 people.

In what I consider to be a true reflection of British values they were outnumbered by more than five to one by a counter demo. This would suggest that contrary to the views shared here, the far rights position is not a popular one, albeit its a deliberately populist one.

At what point will those scaremongering about Islam be convinced that we aren't all going to hell in a handcart?

Or are we expected to buy into the Orwellian situation that we are permanently at war and this is a something that we need to adapt to?

Like I said sheep and sheep dog.

[pablo 14,048]

Hmm, a good question. As a Hobbesian I have found the more negative my prediction of a human event, the more accurate it turns out to be. Is that really paranoia? After all, the rise of the far right in Europe is real and well documented. We are creating a lethal cocktail in our societies by filling them with Muslims on the one side and far right people on the other. Definitely do not think it is paranoia to say this is not going to end well!

 

Ithink in your case it is yeah,no matter the subjecty of the topic you always manage to bring lefties into it,lefties controlling the world etc etc,if anyone tries thought control on populations its the right wing press,not the left

 

Well I guess when they are paying your wages it's only right you back them eh?

 

People on here are always saying paranoia but just look at the facts and how the Muslim population is growing as fast as it is.... maybe not in our lifetime but probably our kids will have to live by Islam laws if it keeps going in the direction it is now. I'm no racist but its obvious what is happening most of the country haven't just dreamt it up it's there for all to see.

 

but anyway you keep knocking them mosques up mucka you never know your kids and grand kids might use it one day

 

Back who exactly,and who is paying my wages?alas im not working on a Mosque atm,shame because it was top dollar and interesting work,how fast is the Muslim population growing that its going to take over the world btw?

And yes,in my eyes its paranoia,the world is in a bad place atm,but its a minority of extremists,no matter how paranoid and scared some seem to be

[Scrutineer 503]

The recent history of Europe suggests that as long as everyone has economic agency and is able to look after themselves and their loved ones, political and social unrest is stymied. History also shows that opportunists and charlatans will use these economic cycles to try and gain power, to take away hard fought liberties, to point the finger at minorities as the cause of tumult.

 

Of course, that is the point I make. As long as everyone gets what he wants there will be no problem. The problems start when resources run low or jobs get sparse, and then Rousseau is proved wrong all over again.

[Scrutineer 503]

Ithink in your case it is yeah,no matter the subjecty of the topic you always manage to bring lefties into it,lefties controlling the world etc etc,if anyone tries thought control on populations its the right wing press,not the left

 

Given that I generally only post on political threads, it's not that surprising I talk about politics on them, and the fact that I oppose much of what the Left has done is just my opinion, and expressing opinions is what these places are for. I do not make the point that right-wing politicians are above any of this, and never have done either. For me the perfect politician is basically a neutral manager who lets people get on with their lives with as little meddling as possible, aside from providing security from foreign invasion and the basic fundamentals of life, which I consider to include decent, publicly funded healthcare and education.

[paulv 2,087]

Given that I generally only post on political threads, it's not that surprising I talk about politics on them, and the fact that I oppose much of what the Left has done is just my opinion, and expressing opinions is what these places are for. I do not make the point that right-wing politicians are above any of this, and never have done either. For me the perfect politician is basically a neutral manager who lets people get on with their lives with as little meddling as possible, aside from providing security from foreign invasion and the basic fundamentals of life, which I consider to include decent, publicly funded healthcare and education.

 

i watched a doco recently that amongst many other things looked at Isiah Berlin and negative/positive liberty.

What the last century has shown is that regardless of the good intentions, negative liberty tends to lead to the totalitarinism that it tries to avoid. I for one see this.

[pablo 14,048]

Hmm, a good question. As a Hobbesian I have found the more negative my prediction of a human event, the more accurate it turns out to be. Is that really paranoia? After all, the rise of the far right in Europe is real and well documented. We are creating a lethal cocktail in our societies by filling them with Muslims on the one side and far right people on the other. Definitely do not think it is paranoia to say this is not going to end well!

 

Well I guess when they are paying your wages it's only right you back them eh?

 

People on here are always saying paranoia but just look at the facts and how the Muslim population is growing as fast as it is.... maybe not in our lifetime but probably our kids will have to live by Islam laws if it keeps going in the direction it is now. I'm no racist but its obvious what is happening most of the country haven't just dreamt it up it's there for all to see.

 

but anyway you keep knocking them mosques up mucka you never know your kids and grand kids might use it one day

 

Given that I generally only post on political threads, it's not that surprising I talk about politics on them, and the fact that I oppose much of what the Left has done is just my opinion, and expressing opinions is what these places are for. I do not make the point that right-wing politicians are above any of this, and never have done either. For me the perfect politician is basically a neutral manager who lets people get on with their lives with as little meddling as possible, aside from providing security from foreign invasion and the basic fundamentals of life, which I consider to include decent, publicly funded healthcare and education.

 

No,but you never "blame" the right do you? but you do blame the left,constantly,so lets not pretend you're unbiased in your opinions,as regards paranoia,"foreign invasion" is a good enough indicator of that,guess people will have to take that up with the lizard Cameron and the right wing gvnmt we have atm eh?

[Perthbum 5,725]

The real story here is that mass immigration from third world countries has become a large pile of kindling under the people and the fascists are the spark.

is that oz? I wouldn't call the UK a 3rd world country.

[Perthbum 5,725]

For someone with a PhD I'm amazed you'd still use a term that has been out of use for at least 20 years in academic circles.

I'll leave your grasp of the finer points of immigration from developing countries out of it to save you further embarrassment

Some very thick people get PHds, look at politicians.

[Scrutineer 503]

No,but you never "blame" the right do you? but you do blame the left,constantly,so lets not pretend you're unbiased in your opinions,as regards paranoia,"foreign invasion" is a good enough indicator of that,guess people will have to take that up with the lizard Cameron and the right wing gvnmt we have atm eh?

 

I'm not making the case I'm unbiased. I've been clear enough on here what I think of the Left, and have tried where possible to provide evidence to back up why I feel that way. The foreign invasion comment is a reference to the original purpose of government as stated in the US constitution, and has nothing to do with paranoia, but while we're on it, why does the Left constantly bring mental health into any argument? Why is that? Is it because they think that if they can discredit their opponents with smears like this they won't actually have to make an argument?

[Perthbum 5,725]

Hmm, a good question. As a Hobbesian I have found the more negative my prediction of a human event, the more accurate it turns out to be. Is that really paranoia? After all, the rise of the far right in Europe is real and well documented. We are creating a lethal cocktail in our societies by filling them with Muslims on the one side and far right people on the other. Definitely do not think it is paranoia to say this is not going to end well!

ohhhh dear, wrong again, the far right are losing support and members by the shedload in the UK and in most Countries in Europe...you really need to get out of that dark room.

[Scrutineer 503]

Some very thick people get PHds, look at politicians.

 

I'm not convinced you know the first thing about it, and certainly not enough to comment on it.

[Scrutineer 503]

ohhhh dear, wrong again, the far right are losing support and members by the shedload in the UK and in most Countries in Europe...you really need to get out of that dark room.

 

BNP vote is moving to UKIP because they think leaving EU will reduce inward migration. It's not rocket science. Also, the rise of movement like EDL has split the membership of BNP up as well.

[pablo 14,048]

I'm not making the case I'm unbiased. I've been clear enough on here what I think of the Left, and have tried where possible to provide evidence to back up why I feel that way. The foreign invasion comment is a reference to the original purpose of government as stated in the US constitution, and has nothing to do with paranoia, but while we're on it, why does the Left constantly bring mental health into any argument? Why is that? Is it because they think that if they can discredit their opponents with smears like this they won't actually have to make an argument?

 

I haven't seen any evidence that you've provided tbh,but no matter,i dont really care about the US constitution,i was talking about you mentioning "foreign invasion" on a migration forum,right wing terminology as usual,scare tactics and some hard of thinking mugs buy into it

Mental health and smearing,i take it you're talking about paranoia? i think a lot are paranoid on here,paranoid about Muslims in particular,one poster on here has just increased the Muslim population of the UK by 5 million in one fell swoop lol

[Perthbum 5,725]

I'm not convinced you know the first thing about it, and certainly not enough to comment on it.

I suggest you make this your home page.

 

The random Muslim scare story generator: separating fact from fiction

 

Halal meat is on every menu; sharia law is taking over; the niqab is undermining the nation. Ever noticed how often the same old stories keep appearing about Muslims in Britain? Here's the truth about these and other media myths

Halal meat is on every menu; sharia law is taking over; the niqab is undermining the nation. Ever noticed how often the same old stories keep appearing about Muslims in Britain? Here's the truth about these and other media myths

 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/12/muslim-scare-stories-media-halal-sharia-niqab

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Back who exactly,and who is paying my wages?alas im not working on a Mosque atm,shame because it was top dollar and interesting work,how fast is the Muslim population growing that its going to take over the world btw?

And yes,in my eyes its paranoia,the world is in a bad place atm,but its a minority of extremists,no matter how paranoid and scared some seem to be

 

Well it will be top dollar because they get funded heaps of it by local councils payed for by tax payers, but it doesn't matter that people are loosing jobs due to cut backs as long as the mosques get built right? There's a few shiny new ones being built where I live... Must be nice

 

 

http://youtu.be/8OXzaOif4k0

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