paul1977 Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 Be interested to hear from people who are about to leave the UK what are your reasons for leaving...? How do you think Australia will solve/improve things and why couldn't you do these changes back in the UK..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azh Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 Because my 2 years experience in Australia was better than my 25 years experience in England! Plus the extra £10,000 a year for my salary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul1977 Posted December 27, 2014 Author Share Posted December 27, 2014 Because my 2 years experience in Australia was better than my 25 years experience in England! Plus the extra £10,000 a year for my salary. But vague but fair enough.. Doesn't the extra 10000 a year get soaked up in higher cost of living..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azh Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 Some of it will do yes. However, at the present time I live in Bristol, which in its self is ridiculously expensive. Also, going as a couple makes it easier financially with renting rates ect... Going alone would be financially hard tho, even with the extra 10k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxlornaxx Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 warmer weather Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul1977 Posted December 27, 2014 Author Share Posted December 27, 2014 warmer weather ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacaranda Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 Some of it will do yes. However, at the present time I live in Bristol, which in its self is ridiculously expensive. Also, going as a couple makes it easier financially with renting rates ect... Going alone would be financially hard tho, even with the extra 10k. I don't live "that" far from Bristol myself.Where abouts in Oz are you heading? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azh Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 Hopefully the Sunshine Coast! That's my preferred choice! I shouldn't have any trouble finding work there for my self. The other half might struggle tho so failing that Id be happy with Adelaide. How about your self? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beka14 Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 Hi we are moving over as we have been over a few times to visit family and fancied trying it out ourselves. We don't expect to work any less or expect life to be easier, but the idea of living in the sunshine also appeals a lot. We do realise that the sun can sometimes be a little unbearable but hey ho you can't have everything. Just something we feel we will regret if we don't go and try, only live once an all that. beka x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacaranda Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 I'm from Adelaide,spent 30 years there for my sins!:laugh:Not sure if you will find property any cheaper in Oz tbh.Have you had a look on realestate.com.au? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azh Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 Yeah, I have been constantly checking it to get a good idea. We currently pay 1200 a month for a 3 bedroom flat in clifton, obviously when we go out there we will only need a 1-2 bedroom apartment for starters! I've seen a few "nice looking" ones along the Sunshine Coast of which are asking for between 350 - 500. I don't know the areas very well tho! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicF Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 Yeah, I have been constantly checking it to get a good idea. We currently pay 1200 a month for a 3 bedroom flat in clifton, obviously when we go out there we will only need a 1-2 bedroom apartment for starters! I've seen a few "nice looking" ones along the Sunshine Coast of which are asking for between 350 - 500. I don't know the areas very well tho! That will be 350 - 500 per week, not month. Apologies if you are aware of this, but others on here haven't realised. OP I moved from the UK because my OH is Australian and we decided to spend some time living near his family. We didn't live in the bed part of the UK and we wanted to move somewhere different. We did consider other parts of the UK but that would have meant being away from both sets of family and would have also increased our cost of living (the area we lived in was cheap) so we felt we may as well move to Australia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrutineer Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 Melza is right to flag property prices. First, rentals are cheaper in Australia than in the UK, so looking at these only might give a false impression. Second, in many surveys Australia now easily comes out as the most unaffordable place in the world to buy property, and certainly far worse than the rest of the English-speaking world, with Sydney and Melbourne being particularly bad. It also has smaller houses being built than in the US as well, even though they are massively more expensive. While I am sympathetic to the argument that Australians "caught back up" with Americans by having a proper healthcare system, I have problems with this now - one - this has been the case the decades and only recently have Australian houses been inflated to severely unaffordable in this way, by the new economics, and two - Abbott et al are working around the clock to strip Australians of their healthcare, the most recent salvo being an attempt by these scumbags to make people pay $45 every time they want to see a GP. I'm not being funny, but there are many disadvantages to living in Australia, including the massive distance from family and civilization centres, the extremely expensive retail, the lack of choice, the unbearable heat the flies, the mosquitos, the barking dogs, and so on. But what Australia offered was a solid, stable democracy, very peaceful, a fair system - much fairer than the UK - better schools, healthcare pretty much free at the point of delivery and very affordable land and housing. If you take these things away and leave only the disadvantages then quality immigrants will simply go to the US instead, especially as it is going to offer a points system from 2018. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azh Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 That will be 350 - 500 per week, not month. Apologies if you are aware of this, but others on here haven't realised. OP I moved from the UK because my OH is Australian and we decided to spend some time living near his family. We didn't live in the bed part of the UK and we wanted to move somewhere different. We did consider other parts of the UK but that would have meant being away from both sets of family and would have also increased our cost of living (the area we lived in was cheap) so we felt we may as well move to Australia. Yup, I am aware of that. Affordable with 2 decent salaries coming in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 Scrutineer, introducing a $5 copayment to go to the doctor is hardly radical. I don't know where you get $45 per visit from unless you are already paying $40. The Liberals are trying to fix the budget deficit for Australia. Doing nothing is not an option and a small $5 fee to see the doctor will not bankrupt you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrutineer Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 Scrutineer, introducing a $5 copayment to go to the doctor is hardly radical. I don't know where you get $45 per visit from unless you are already paying $40. The Liberals are trying to fix the budget deficit for Australia. Doing nothing is not an option and a small $5 fee to see the doctor will not bankrupt you. We probably agree on this ultimately - I agree about the budget holes left by Labor, and of course the need to fix them, or at least reduce them, but my concern is introducing the concept of higher fees per GP visit will work a black magic on people who will eventually come to accept private medicine. I don't oppose private medicine per se, but I do oppose it as the only source of healthcare, as in the US. At the moment we see massive pressure on all the economies using our economic model, and that means constant calls for cuts. Our healthcare systems work well, keep the population healthy and able to work. Gap fee of $45 mentioned in the press somewhere - I'll have a look, it was before Christmas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peach Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 Scrutineer, introducing a $5 copayment to go to the doctor is hardly radical. I don't know where you get $45 per visit from unless you are already paying $40. The Liberals are trying to fix the budget deficit for Australia. Doing nothing is not an option and a small $5 fee to see the doctor will not bankrupt you. Not that you care.. From the medical journal of Australia: Universal access to primary care is one of the essential aspects of our Medicare system and is one of the things that keeps the quality of Australian health care high.6 Among the GP consultations that a copayment would reduce, it is therefore important to consider how many would actually have been necessary. The opportunity for early detection of serious illness may be lost if a person delays or avoids a GP visit because of the copayment. Vulnerable groups, including children, Indigenous people, older people and the financially disadvantaged, may delay seeking treatment for serious illness — or even serious worry — with consequent health compromise. A study in the United States found that doubling primary care copayments from $7 to $14 halved the attendance of people aged 65 years or older, but more than doubled the cost of their inpatient hospital care, from $150 to $330.7 A $6 copayment would undoubtedly deter some people who should visit a GP from doing so, thereby harming them, while others who can afford to pay would be barely inconvenienced. Although a copayment might save a little money in the short term, it would impoverish us all — not just by the downstream increase in specialised health care6-8 and the harm done by missed serious illness and missed opportunities to properly reassure patients, but morally as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skani Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 (edited) Scrutineer, introducing a $5 copayment to go to the doctor is hardly radical. I don't know where you get $45 per visit from unless you are already paying $40 Because the fine print in the new arrangement - and it's quite complex, varying with length of consultation and even geographical area - means that GP incomes will be substantially reduced. Many will simply stop bulk billing for all except concession card holders. Edited December 27, 2014 by Skani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VERYSTORMY Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 Because my 2 years experience in Australia was better than my 25 years experience in England! Plus the extra £10,000 a year for my salary. You do know that it is generally agreed that to get the same standard of living you need to ignore exchange rates and things and instead multiply your current salary by 2.5 to get what you need to earn in dollars to have the same standard of living. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramot Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 (edited) That will be 350 - 500 per week, not month. Apologies if you are aware of this, but others on here haven't realised. OP I moved from the UK because my OH is Australian and we decided to spend some time living near his family. We didn't live in the bed part of the UK and we wanted to move somewhere different. We did consider other parts of the UK but that would have meant being away from both sets of family and would have also increased our cost of living (the area we lived in was cheap) so we felt we may as well move to Australia. One of the other factors when comparing rent is that in Oz the landlord pays the council tax, whereas in UK you pay council tax on top of your rent, so that can even out the difference a bit. we rent out a 3 bed (ex slightly tatty council) terrace in Islington London, rent is over 2000 pds per calendar month + tenants pay council tax. Daughter rents 2 bed terrace in Paddington Sydney $750 weekly, so just over $3000 monthly (can't be bothered to do the maths!) and no council tax, so you could say areas are similar. just thought this would be an interesting comparison for posters. sorry NicF I didn't mean to attach this to your post, blame a late night out in Sydney with the young ones! Edited December 27, 2014 by ramot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azh Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 You do know that it is generally agreed that to get the same standard of living you need to ignore exchange rates and things and instead multiply your current salary by 2.5 to get what you need to earn in dollars to have the same standard of living. You can multiply my current salary just over 3 times to get what I'll earn In dollars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrutineer Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 Not that you care.. From the medical journal of Australia: I was looking for the figures you provided concerning the extra cost to care that reducing copayments had - so thanks for this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrutineer Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 You can multiply my current salary just over 3 times to get what I'll earn In dollars. I wouldn't want to put you off by the way - I love Australia and I'm proud to be a citizen actually. You can find a great life here for sure and there are some amazing advantages to the place, but just make sure you listen to all sides and get a balanced view. I know it's hard - we all had our rose-tints on when were counting down the days to taking off from LHR - even I did and I'd lived in Aus before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 I take it your avatar is Ebeneezer Scrooge. Is that your nickname ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrutineer Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 I take it your avatar is Ebeneezer Scrooge. Is that your nickname ? It was a joke, yes. Someone here called me Scrooge so I changed it to this for Christmas. Almost time to change it again, so enjoy it while you can! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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