Guest Ptp113 Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 I caught some of the eulogies in Parliament LIVE ON SKY. The Govt side seemed sincere enough. Yes he did some good things but he was just a man not a saint and if he had been REALLY popular he would have won back govt. Best you do some research. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Les Patterson Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 I caught some of the eulogies in Parliament LIVE ON SKY. The Govt side seemed sincere enough. Yes he did some good things but he was just a man not a saint and if he had been REALLY popular he would have won back govt. Just for you Dave (and Parleycross) our resident "rightists"......some of the things Gough achieved.........what has your beloved Abbott-Credlin Govt. done except f##k us over http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/what-did-gough-whitlam-actually-do-rather-a-lot-20141021-11977w.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARYROSE02 Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Al Grassby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Les Patterson Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Al Grassby your point being??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Les Patterson Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 If he wasn't, I was question unanswered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strick Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 What an awful place Australia would have been if it wasn't for the likes of Gough... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARYROSE02 Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Al Grassby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARYROSE02 Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 I prefer the pragmatists like Hawke and Keating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARYROSE02 Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Few visionaries made anymore. He certainly took Australia into an enlightened phase from the deep rooted Menzies conservative era, but even that was better in most respects than what the present lot would kike to impose on us. Yes, what absolute idiots Australians were to continue voting Menzies, and his successors into power, and why did it take them twenty years and more to realize their mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flag of convenience Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Yes, what absolute idiots Australians were to continue voting Menzies, and his successors into power, and why did it take them twenty years and more to realize their mistake. Why do you think? Says a lot about the mentality of the time. Saying that Menzies stood by the little people unlike the shower of Tories these days that darken the term Liberal Party, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flag of convenience Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Al Grassby Al Grassby what? Another visionary of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flag of convenience Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Were you actually here in the late '60s early '70s ??? Yep. Although wouldn't matter being a student of political science among other things, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 He did buy Blue Poles which was either inspired or very lucky. Turned out to be a good investment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 And Norman Gunston was there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akiralx Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 I caught some of the eulogies in Parliament LIVE ON SKY. The Govt side seemed sincere enough. Yes, I only heard Abbott's, but that seemed sincere to me. I was reading some comments online about Whitlam, and the overwhelming view seems to be that Australia in 2014 has lost its way compared to earlier times. Not just politically but in terms of vision and ambition: now everyone's quest seems only to accrue as many trinkets, possessions and negatively-geared properties as possible, and to hell with fellow citizens and the country generally - with the whole sorry saga wrapped in a bogus sense of 'patriotism'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aunt Agatha Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Or perhaps a 'bogan' sense of 'patriotism' ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARYROSE02 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Why do you think? Says a lot about the mentality of the time. Saying that Menzies stood by the little people unlike the shower of Tories these days that darken the term Liberal Party, They stuck by John Howard for over a decade, and who knows how Tony will go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARYROSE02 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Al Grassby what? Another visionary of the time. Google him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARYROSE02 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 I remember the excitement in the UK when Tony Blair won the election in ?1997? 'The Only Way Is Up?' And he was in office for a decade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARYROSE02 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Gough appointed Grassby. Greg Sheridan in The Oz says Whitlam was our worst ever Prime Minister. (& there are plenty of laudatory articles in the same paper so it is not a Murdoch Hate Fest) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Les Patterson Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Gough appointed Grassby. Greg Sheridan in The Oz says Whitlam was our worst ever Prime Minister. (& there are plenty of laudatory articles in the same paper so it is not a Murdoch Hate Fest) Jesus Dave, Greg Sheridan is widely regarded as a right wing tool perhaps more biased than some of your Telegraph heroes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambethlad Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 A couple of things in the news today. Demolition on the house in Kew, Melbourne where Gough was born on the kitchen table started today. It was bought by a foreign buyer (Chinese). I always thought foreigners are only allowed to buy new-builds but apparently they can buy established homes as long as they knock it down and build a new one. It probably wouldn't worry Gough - he was the first western leader to visit communist China and recognise the government. I was reminded of the anecdote of the meeting between Gough and Mao Zedong. Gough asked Mao "what do you think would have happened if Khrushchev had been assassinated and not Kennedy". Mao replied "well for one thing Onassis would not have married Mrs Khrushchev". Another thing I heard today was an ex-CIA man talking about the CIA involvement in the dismissal. Christopher Boyce was a low-rank 23 year old working for the CIA. He says he had heard GG John Kerr described as "our man". Apparently the CIA was worried that Gough was a communist sympathizer and that he would close down their spy base at Pine Gap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Les Patterson Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 (edited) A couple of things in the news today. Demolition on the house in Kew, Melbourne where Gough was born on the kitchen table started today. It was bought by a foreign buyer (Chinese). I always thought foreigners are only allowed to buy new-builds but apparently they can buy established homes as long as they knock it down and build a new one. It probably wouldn't worry Gough - he was the first western leader to visit communist China and recognise the government. I was reminded of the anecdote of the meeting between Gough and Mao Zedong. Gough asked Mao "what do you think would have happened if Khrushchev had been assassinated and not Kennedy". Mao replied "well for one thing Onassis would not have married Mrs Khrushchev". Another thing I heard today was an ex-CIA man talking about the CIA involvement in the dismissal. Christopher Boyce was a low-rank 23 year old working for the CIA. He says he had heard GG John Kerr described as "our man". Apparently the CIA was worried that Gough was a communist sympathizer and that he would close down their spy base at Pine Gap. yes, it has been touted in the past about CIA involvement and Sir John Cur's role.......there was a movie starring Sean Penn about the CIA and their involvement was mentioned in that (can't remember the name of it though). The Falcon and The Snowman.......remembered it Edited October 22, 2014 by Sir Les Patterson Addition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flag of convenience Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 I prefer the pragmatists like Hawke and Keating. You mean dragging Australia into the 20 Century with an age of enlightenment was not pragmatic enough for you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diane Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Murdoch sounds like he was getting in some practice with Whitlam, which he'd fine tuned by the time he decided to tell the nation they should hate Gillard http://www.9news.com.au/national/2014/06/28/10/22/murdoch-order-to-kill-whitlam#YoHeceKhOfUJG9bJ.99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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