Maggie2012 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 If so, how did you go about it? It is at a point now that we are seriously debating moving out of ACT because of ZERO jobs in the ACT. Correction, there would be jobs but those require security clearance we do not have. So after 10 months in working casual jobs here and there with no prospect of a job in our professions we have no choice but to look elsewhere but would like to to it without any theoretical repercussion on our prospect of becoming a citizen in 3 years. Please, do not say "there is no condition to your visa", we know that yet we are hear a case where someone moved out of their state under a permanent state sponsored visa and got their citizenship. If you are one of those people we'd like to hear from you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARYROSE02 Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 I Googled your query to see what comes up and also to push the thread back into the limelight? [h=3]Has anyone asked for release from ACT concerning the Subclass 190 ...[/h] http://www.pomsinoz.com › Forum › Australian States & Territories › ACT Cached [*]Jul 1, 2014 - 1 post - 1 author [*]If so, how did you go about it? It is at a point now that we are seriously debating moving out of ACT because of ZERO jobs in the ACT. [*]is it legal for a subclass 190 act nominee to work in ... 10 posts 27 Dec 2013 [*]Has anyone got the Citizenship approved without ... [*]10 posts [*]30 Oct 2013 [*]So the Job Market is pretty much dead in Canberra ... [*]10 posts [*]14 Oct 2013 [*]has anyone ever broken their moral obligation to stay in ... [*]10 posts [*]28 May 2013 [*]More results from http://www.pomsinoz.com [h=3]Living/working in other states on a subclass 190 visa ...[/h] http://www.australiaforum.com › ... › Visas and immigration Cached Similar Aug 26, 2013 - 10 posts Hi Mark, Happy to inform you the I have been granted a WA-state sponsored Skilled Nominated (Permanent) (class SN) Skilled – Nominated (subclass 190) visa, but ... Its a moral obligation.....that you need to stay 2 years in the state ... if you want to ask the CO about it, maybe ask "what if I have difficulties ... [h=3]British couple deported for failing to meet visa conditions - Page ...[/h] http://www.saaustralia.org › Immigration › General Cached Similar Feb 21, 2013 - 15 posts - 10 authors And if they do not have anything to complain about, they complain about that. ... Lol, sorry guys, it was said as a bit of a joke, I was not trying to offend anyone. ... you are granted a permanent Skilled Nominated visa (subclass 190). ... your obligations for living in a regional area and ask what to do about it. [h=3]190 Visa Dilemma - Perth Poms[/h] http://www.perthpoms.com › Forum › Migration Issues Cached Similar Jul 15, 2013 - 7 posts - 3 authors Hi, Could anyone please advise if they have actually moved states ... The reason I ask the following; I am employer sponsored in WA. ... The state sponsorship is a moral obligation for the 190 visa only. .... Does anyone know if employers bother about the visa subclass and the 2 year obligation to stay in a ... [h=3]Visa 190 NSW state sponsorship - Expat Forum[/h] http://www.expatforum.com/.../141616-visa-190-nsw-state-sponsorship.html Cached Similar Feb 4, 2013 - 9 posts I have a question regarding the obligations of the visa. ... Can anyone here comment on my case (studying master degree in NSW). ... it's not a moral obligation to live in NSS for 2 years. if you can't find a job there then move ... but yes obligation for NSW SS for you to continue to live on the visa subclass 190 ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommanderMaxil Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 I responded to the 6 month questionaire last week and told the ACT government i had moved to Darwin for work and received an email today from my resettlement officer which included the following text: Please be advised that you have been granted a Skilled Nominated (Permanent)(class SN) Skilled – Nominated (subclass 190) visa. This visa was granted with NIL visa conditions, as per your visa grant letter. Your 2 year obligation to live and work in Canberra is purely a moral obligation to the ACT Government and not a requirement of your visa. Moving to NT will have no affect on your visa, your residence status or any future application to become an Australian citizen. Whilst we don’t like anyone to leave Canberra, we do understand that if you are unable to find suitable employment in the ACT then you have to make the decision whether to seek work in another part of Australia. Your record has now been closed which means that you will not receive any further requests to complete the remaining 6 monthly settlement surveys. So that I think is, as they say, that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeelD Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Hi CommanderMaxil, Did you have to show that you were looking for work in ACT as proof? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommanderMaxil Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 didn't show anything. Just told them in my 6 month review that I had been forced to move to find work (after 4 months in the ACT). I think they know the score given that my occupation is no longer on the state list. I did have all the emails proving I had been applying for jobs had they asked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeelD Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 didn't show anything. Just told them in my 6 month review that I had been forced to move to find work (after 4 months in the ACT). I think they know the score given that my occupation is no longer on the state list. I did have all the emails proving I had been applying for jobs had they asked. What is your occupation if you don't mind me asking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommanderMaxil Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Don't mind at all, I came over as a Policy Analyst, after many years in Whitehall advising UK govt departments. The ACT was the only state that had my job on its list when I applied (back in Jan 2012). However the government cuts and the restrictions on non-Australians have bitten pretty hard and, as you can imagine, Canberra is full of people with similar skills to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggie2012 Posted October 3, 2014 Author Share Posted October 3, 2014 Great, you have got the same answer we did! Exactly the same wording, so it must be a pre-made reply letter! Good luck in NT! We are working on looking somewhere else as well..... I responded to the 6 month questionaire last week and told the ACT government i had moved to Darwin for work and received an email today from my resettlement officer which included the following text: Please be advised that you have been granted a Skilled Nominated (Permanent)(class SN) Skilled – Nominated (subclass 190) visa. This visa was granted with NIL visa conditions, as per your visa grant letter. Your 2 year obligation to live and work in Canberra is purely a moral obligation to the ACT Government and not a requirement of your visa. Moving to NT will have no affect on your visa, your residence status or any future application to become an Australian citizen. Whilst we don’t like anyone to leave Canberra, we do understand that if you are unable to find suitable employment in the ACT then you have to make the decision whether to seek work in another part of Australia. Your record has now been closed which means that you will not receive any further requests to complete the remaining 6 monthly settlement surveys. So that I think is, as they say, that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quoll Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 Great, you have got the same answer we did! Exactly the same wording, so it must be a pre-made reply letter!Good luck in NT! We are working on looking somewhere else as well..... Sorry to hear that ACT hasn't worked out for you and hope it hasn't soured your impressions of ACT too much! The ACT list of needed occupations, IMHO, has been a joke for years! Anyone local looking at that list would have a "WTF?" moment! It has long borne little resemblance to the current list of occupations in demand even without the current restructuring goings on. I do think it is very unfair to new migrants because so many positions they may be qualified for experientially are out of their range because of citizenship - not that I disagree with providing for citizens first, just bringing in new people where no jobs exist. Good luck elsewhere! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggie2012 Posted October 4, 2014 Author Share Posted October 4, 2014 Nothing wrong with Canberra as a town, but as you have pointed it out it is very hard to find jobs with a PR when most places require Australian Citizenship. And yes, there are jobs in the private sector but very few with exponentially higher applicants and because of that, plus the ACT government incentives to push laid off governmental employees into employment, you have very little chance in getting a job It is not easy to network either, especially when you are forced to take some part time casual job that stretches into late hours and weekends. Let's face it is tough to meet people that way. Everything happens between 6 and 8 PM...... at the end you need to do what you need to do. It is a skilled visa and you did not get schooling/training to become a shelf stocker in life in Coles. And nothing against that, but if you can do more why shouldn't you be allowed to do that??? and agree, we don't want to take away a citizen's job. The is not the intention of any of us..... Sorry to hear that ACT hasn't worked out for you and hope it hasn't soured your impressions of ACT too much! The ACT list of needed occupations, IMHO, has been a joke for years! Anyone local looking at that list would have a "WTF?" moment! It has long borne little resemblance to the current list of occupations in demand even without the current restructuring goings on. I do think it is very unfair to new migrants because so many positions they may be qualified for experientially are out of their range because of citizenship - not that I disagree with providing for citizens first, just bringing in new people where no jobs exist. Good luck elsewhere! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojogoingoz Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 Thought would like to share with all on the recent reply from ACT. I sent an email requesting to be released and few days later this is the reply to me: "The ACT will consider a request to formally release a migrant from their nomination obligations if they can demonstrate that they have made a genuine effort to settle in Canberra and secure employment. As you have not made a genuine effort, you will not be formally released. As the obligation is only a moral obligation and not a visa condition if you choose to not to meet your signed obligations, that is your decision." Hmmm....so what does this mean? Stay on or find job otherstate? Any feedback highly appreciated. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommanderMaxil Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 I'm curious as to why they think you haven't made a genuine attempt, have you been in Canberra very long? Have you been able to provide examples of jobs you applied for? The only interaction i had with the resettlement officers was meeting them upon my first arrival for the intial session, then replying to the 3 month survey to say that i was struggling to find work, before telling them i had left (after I had been in Darwin already for 2 months). I think meeting them in person was helpful for me as i arrived very enthusastic about my future in Canberra and that probably suggested to them i was serious about staying (which i was), but i am curious as to why they have given you the attached response. In terms of your options you can definitely leave if you want but agree it must leave you feeling a bit unsettled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quoll Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 I guess the risk you take is a change in rules - it's been discussed in the past - because too many people do renege on their obligations and find their way to the larger metropolitan areas where they aren't welcome because of the stress on services and structures. At the moment it won't impact on citizenship but who knows if things may change! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggie2012 Posted November 17, 2014 Author Share Posted November 17, 2014 To be frank, there is a difference between those who just want a WAY INTO Australia and those who commit and think about giving it a go in a state. We are the latter ones, but personally I know people, who got their visas through ACT but went straight to Victoria or NSW. We have asked for release alternatively, but we are still in ACT after 14 month. We are still trying to make it work but it is very hard. Doing casual jobs here an there slows our resource consumption but will not make it stop. With no outlook for a full time job, we have no other options but to try our luck elsewhere- eventually. Holiday season coming up made us to wait a bit. Regardless, that is a bit of piss off when people ask for a decision to be released without giving it a go. But, Quoll, it is the ACT government's fault that they fall short of attracting manufacturing (or private companies) to come to the territory. Canberra has the potential to become the Silicon Valley of Australia, but all the government cares about is getting another retail store open (IKEA). Hard to sustain and grow an economy if the money is artificially injected into an area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quoll Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 To be frank, there is a difference between those who just want a WAY INTO Australia and those who commit and think about giving it a go in a state. We are the latter ones, but personally I know people, who got their visas through ACT but went straight to Victoria or NSW. We have asked for release alternatively, but we are still in ACT after 14 month. We are still trying to make it work but it is very hard. Doing casual jobs here an there slows our resource consumption but will not make it stop. With no outlook for a full time job, we have no other options but to try our luck elsewhere- eventually. Holiday season coming up made us to wait a bit. Regardless, that is a bit of piss off when people ask for a decision to be released without giving it a go. But, Quoll, it is the ACT government's fault that they fall short of attracting manufacturing (or private companies) to come to the territory. Canberra has the potential to become the Silicon Valley of Australia, but all the government cares about is getting another retail store open (IKEA). Hard to sustain and grow an economy if the money is artificially injected into an area. I agree! They've set immigration parameters which in no way reflect the job market and for whatever reasons they haven't attracted business - it's probably too expensive an option for many. I blame the ACT gov too, don't worry! I think their overreaching is particularly cruel to new migrants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeelD Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Thought would like to share with all on the recent reply from ACT. I sent an email requesting to be released and few days later this is the reply to me: "The ACT will consider a request to formally release a migrant from their nomination obligations if they can demonstrate that they have made a genuine effort to settle in Canberra and secure employment. As you have not made a genuine effort, you will not be formally released. As the obligation is only a moral obligation and not a visa condition if you choose to not to meet your signed obligations, that is your decision." Hmmm....so what does this mean? Stay on or find job otherstate? Any feedback highly appreciated. Thanks. Just seems like a cruel response back from them. How long have you stayed in Canberra? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pntaylor Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 Thought would like to share with all on the recent reply from ACT. I sent an email requesting to be released and few days later this is the reply to me: "The ACT will consider a request to formally release a migrant from their nomination obligations if they can demonstrate that they have made a genuine effort to settle in Canberra and secure employment. As you have not made a genuine effort, you will not be formally released. As the obligation is only a moral obligation and not a visa condition if you choose to not to meet your signed obligations, that is your decision." Hmmm....so what does this mean? Stay on or find job otherstate? Any feedback highly appreciated. Thanks. Essentially they're saying "it's up to you" and that the obligation is only moral meaning they can't cancel your visa if you decide to move to another State. They just sound miffed and tugging with the "moral agreement" part of the visa. Whether they think it or not if you've given getting work in the ACT a fair go there's no point hanging around if your prospects are good, you shouldn't have to run things tight just to fulfil a moral obligation if it's running you in to the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggie2012 Posted November 22, 2014 Author Share Posted November 22, 2014 it is part of the process though. It is expected that it might be tough and you have to prove that you have enough funds to give it a go. The point was, if you have lied on your application of your intentions it is not just a moral obligation any more but a visa issue that could become more than just a moral issue. People tend to forget that visas can be cancelled should the sponsoring party withdraw sponsorship or report a false intention. A speed limit will not prevent you from driving a vehicle, but should you break it so it may lead to fines or loss of license. As far as I understand JOJOGOINGOZ did not give it a go while asked for a release (at least ACT Gov seems to thinks so). To obtain a class 190 it is a pre-requisite to prove genuine intention to settle in a territory. So there is a difference I think.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommanderMaxil Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 That is interesting but not the legal position, as I understand it. I used a Migration Agent, and was very surprised, when having gone through all the hoops to get ACT sponsorship, that when my agent rang me to tell me my visa had come through she asked me where in Australia I planned to move to, "Canberra of course" says I, otherwise what was the point of all that effort to convince the ACT of my genuine intention to move there. Her reply surprised me a lot a the time "Oh its only a moral obligation, legally you can move anywhere" Ultimately I guess its a function of the federal system, where you have a central federal scheme for immigration, but the states have a role too Now I am working for a State/Territory government I start to see some of the contradictions and issues in the system. I sympathise with the ACT, as they don't want people to lie about the state they are intending to go to, but there doesn't appear to be any system by which they determine whether a person has made a "genuine effort". I certainly put a lot of effort in, but still I only stayed 3 and a half months, yet I don't feel I could have done much more than I did to try and settle there. Only JOJOGOINGOZ knows whether they feel they have made sufficient effort or not, which is what makes the ACT government response so odd I guess, as it doesn't reflect my experience of dealing with them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaughingMan Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 (edited) Hello everyone, I wonder if anyone with knowledge of ACT state sponsorship obligations could offer some thoughts on my situation. I was granted a permanent visa with ACT state sponsorship in Oct 2012, and moved to Canberra last October. I realised shortly after that there were hardly any jobs in my area of experience, and began applying both to the ACT and interstate. Fast forward three months, and I've been rejected for every job I've applied to in the ACT. The rejections were mainly from two of the handful of organisations here that hire PRs in my area of experience - the ACT government and CSIRO. I've since lost hope in ever landing a job I am qualified for in the ACT, especially since there were hardly any such positions being advertised in the first place. The question I am considering now is whether to continue to apply for jobs interstate while living in Canberra, or to move out of Canberra and continue my search in another state. As those who are familiar with ACT state sponsorship will know, I am obligated to live and work in Canberra for two years after my permanent arrival in Australia. I have heard from a number of people with ACT state sponsorship who moved to Canberra, found work in another state, and were subsequently released from their sponsorship obligations. But I have not heard from anyone who has sought to be released from their sponsorship obligations merely to move their job search to another state. Just to explain why I am considering this, I have a feeling finding a job in my area will be a challenge regardless of state, and would like to begin building the networks that might aid me in securing one. I don't see the point of doing this in Canberra, given the low number of jobs that would be available to me in any case. Another, more complex reason is that I was single when I got my permanent visa (two years ago), but have since gotten married. My partner has not moved to Australia yet, as we are waiting for DIPB to grant him a spousal visa. But what I've seen of job requirements in his field in the ACT indicates that such positions overwhelmingly require Australian citizenship. Even if I am fortunate enough to land a job here, I anticipate that he will face a similar struggle if he moves to Canberra. In the worst case, we could both face a significant period of unemployment - not something I signed up for when I agreed to my ACT sponsorship obligations, as my planning was based around only one person then. If anyone with knowledge or experience of my situation could offer thoughts or advice on this - i.e. asking the ACT government for permission to move out of Canberra to continue the job search in another state - I'd be very grateful. Edited January 13, 2015 by LaughingMan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quoll Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Hello everyone, I wonder if anyone with knowledge of ACT state sponsorship obligations could offer some thoughts on my situation. I was granted a permanent visa with ACT state sponsorship in Oct 2012, and moved to Canberra last October. I realised shortly after that there were hardly any jobs in my area of experience, and began applying both to the ACT and interstate. Fast forward three months, and I've been rejected for every job I've applied to in the ACT. The rejections were mainly from two of the handful of organisations here that hire PRs in my area of experience - the ACT government and CSIRO. I've since lost hope in ever landing a job I am qualified for in the ACT, especially since there were hardly any such positions being advertised in the first place. The question I am considering now is whether to continue to apply for jobs interstate while living in Canberra, or to move out of Canberra and continue my search in another state. As those who are familiar with ACT state sponsorship will know, I am obligated to live and work in Canberra for two years after my permanent arrival in Australia. I have heard from a number of people with ACT state sponsorship who moved to Canberra, found work in another state, and were subsequently released from their sponsorship obligations. But I have not heard from anyone who has sought to be released from their sponsorship obligations merely to move their job search to another state. Just to explain why I am considering this, I have a feeling finding a job in my area will be a challenge regardless of state, and would like to begin building the networks that might aid me in securing one. I don't see the point of doing this in Canberra, given the low number of jobs that would be available to me in any case. Another, more complex reason is that I was single when I got my permanent visa (two years ago), but have since gotten married. My partner has not moved to Australia yet, as we are waiting for DIPB to grant him a spousal visa. But what I've seen of job requirements in his field in the ACT indicates that such positions overwhelmingly require Australian citizenship. Even if I am fortunate enough to land a job here, I anticipate that he will face a similar struggle if he moves to Canberra. In the worst case, we could both face a significant period of unemployment - not something I signed up for when I agreed to my ACT sponsorship obligations, as my planning was based around only one person then. If anyone with knowledge or experience of my situation could offer thoughts or advice on this - i.e. asking the ACT government for permission to move out of Canberra to continue the job search in another state - I'd be very grateful. So you've really only had 2 and a bit months of trying to find a job in ACT and most of that over the Christmas holiday shut down. You could ask for a release and see what they say - you lose nothing by it, they wont cancel your visa but in the scheme of ACT job filling, that's not a long time to be looking. Maybe give it 6 months and tell them how many hundreds of positions youve applied for, which agencies you have approached to find you a position etc etc. As others have said, they wont do anything to you other than wag the proverbial finger at you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggie2012 Posted January 17, 2015 Author Share Posted January 17, 2015 It is part of the process to prove that you have initial funds to sustain yourselves for 6 months at least. People who ask for release this early are the one who only use ACT nomination to get the 190 visa. We have been in ACT for 15 months now and I would say that is a "giving it a try" not 2 months....just two cents worth of opinion.... So you've really only had 2 and a bit months of trying to find a job in ACT and most of that over the Christmas holiday shut down. You could ask for a release and see what they say - you lose nothing by it, they wont cancel your visa but in the scheme of ACT job filling, that's not a long time to be looking. Maybe give it 6 months and tell them how many hundreds of positions youve applied for, which agencies you have approached to find you a position etc etc. As others have said, they wont do anything to you other than wag the proverbial finger at you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slean Wolfhead Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Took me 6 months to get a job here, from a standing start. I'd say you have another 3 months of trying before things slow down as they wait for next years budget allocation (after 1st July) As those who stay will tell you, it's all about getting your foot in the door over here because it's a bit of a weird, frustrating insular place until one day it begins to slot together... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akram Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 Dears, I have state-sponsored 190 ACT and I have not yet made my first entry yet because of COVID. My company has offered me an internal transfer of job to Sydney. I am worried to accept the offer because of the obligation to stay for 2 years in the ACT. I am sure if I write to ACT they will inform me that I have not made any efforts to stay in the ACT. What shall I do any suggestions? Also, will it affect my RRV and citizenship if I apply in the future? Shall I accept the offer to stay & work in Sydney & then try for a job in the ACT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulhand Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 23 hours ago, Akram said: Dears, I have state-sponsored 190 ACT and I have not yet made my first entry yet because of COVID. My company has offered me an internal transfer of job to Sydney. I am worried to accept the offer because of the obligation to stay for 2 years in the ACT. I am sure if I write to ACT they will inform me that I have not made any efforts to stay in the ACT. What shall I do any suggestions? Also, will it affect my RRV and citizenship if I apply in the future? Shall I accept the offer to stay & work in Sydney & then try for a job in the ACT? Your obligations You must email the ACT Skilled Migration team on welcometocanberra@act.gov.au as soon as the Department of Home Affairs tells you they granted your visa. Your email must include: the visa grant notification as an attachment; and the date you expect to arrive in Canberra (if you're an overseas resident). Once the Department of Home Affairs grants your visa, you have some obligations. You have committed to live and work in Canberra for at least two years starting from either: the date your visa is granted (if you're a Canberra resident), or the date you arrive in Australia (if you're an overseas resident). During these two years, you must also: complete settlement surveys at 6, 12, 18 and 24 months; and let us know if your contact details change. You will not be released from your signed obligations. We will inform the Department of Home Affairs if you do not live and work in Canberra for at least two years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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