petstar12 Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 Hi for a while now I have wanted to move back home where I was born I have lived in Australia a long time but always wanted one day to move back home while living out here I got Lupus and that has cause may problem but the sun out here (which is very hot now hotter than ever before makes my lupus worse) can anyone help me by telling me how I would go about moving back to UK any help would be very welcome I have family in UK lots and my close family is all here just would like to know how I would go about this thanks. jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 You might need to be more specific with your questions, not sure what you are looking for. When we moved back to the UK after a previous stint overseas, we simply booked flights and booked a container, packed up and went. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 Hello and welcome Agree with Rupert. Can you be more specific? What aspects are you wanting to know about. Shipping your belongings, medical, insurance, work, areas.... narrow it down a bit for us if you can Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quoll Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 I just packed a backpack and left. But I'm probably not a great example to follow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marisawright Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 Hi for a while now I have wanted to move back home where I was born I have lived in Australia a long time but always wanted one day to move back home while living out here I got Lupus and that has cause may problem but the sun out here (which is very hot now hotter than ever before makes my lupus worse) can anyone help me by telling me how I would go about moving back to UK any help would be very welcome I have family in UK lots and my close family is all here just would like to know how I would go about this thanks. jane How old are you? If you're approaching retirement then there are a few complications with pensions etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petstar12 Posted April 27, 2014 Author Share Posted April 27, 2014 How old are you? If you're approaching retirement then there are a few complications with pensions etc. I AM 54 YEARS OLD I was born I UK and came to live in Australia when I was 16 years old you may ask why now ? that I want to live back home I have family there and the weather here in Australia does nothing for a disease I have called lupus which the sun make much worse I have been told I live in the wrong country now I have lupus and was born in Yorkshire which I love what complications with pension do you mean please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durkin33 Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 I have lived in Australia for 10 years and was diagnosed with a rare neurological illness which requires maintenance treatment. I decided to go back to Ireland last Christmas and the first issue I addressed was setting up medical appointment back in Ireland with a public neurologist. So, I got my neurologist here to write a referral letter explaining my condition and sent that to a neurologist back in Ireland, then a schedule was appointed. My understanding of the NHS is that once you return to England you need to see a GP immediately and they will decide to put you (back) on the NHS system or not. I suggest you arrange an appointment with a GP in the area you are going to live in the UK, see them immediately when you arrive back and give them a letter from an Australia specialist describing your condition and current treatment. Also, state that you are going back to the live in the UK permanently. I also suggest that you speak to any voluntary/charity organisations back in the UK that support your condition. They should be able to provide guidance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marisawright Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 I AM 54 YEARS OLD I was born I UK and came to live in Australia when I was 16 years old you may ask why now ? that I want to live back home I have family there and the weather here in Australia does nothing for a disease I have called lupus which the sun make much worse I have been told I live in the wrong country now I have lupus and was born in Yorkshire which I love what complications with pension do you mean please? First, British pension - it sounds like you left the UK before you'd paid any NI contributions, so you won't be entitled to any British pension at all. You will be eligible for the full Australian pension - but you won't be able to claim it from the UK. You'll have to come back to Australia to claim it, then live here for a full 12 months (if you leave earlier, they cancel it again). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petstar12 Posted April 27, 2014 Author Share Posted April 27, 2014 First, British pension - it sounds like you left the UK before you'd paid any NI contributions, so you won't be entitled to any British pension at all. You will be eligible for the full Australian pension - but you won't be able to claim it from the UK. You'll have to come back to Australia to claim it, then live here for a full 12 months (if you leave earlier, they cancel it again). That is nuts since here in Australia you are made to claim the pension from Britton if you are British and then they pay you a part pension here thought it would be the same way over there I am no where never pension age anyway and they are thinking of putting the age up to 70 here before you can get a pension.it is already 67 here before you can get a pension I on a Disability pension different to age pension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petals Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 First, British pension - it sounds like you left the UK before you'd paid any NI contributions, so you won't be entitled to any British pension at all. You will be eligible for the full Australian pension - but you won't be able to claim it from the UK. You'll have to come back to Australia to claim it, then live here for a full 12 months (if you leave earlier, they cancel it again). You can only claim it at pension age anyway and you can live overseas and get it but you have to be over retirement age. Under retirement age you probably will not get anything at all as you are no longer living here and you will have to earn a living until you retire. I think you may find that staying here with your condition is a better option. Many people have Lupus here and if you are in the tropics perhaps its better to move to Victoria or Tasmania. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petstar12 Posted April 27, 2014 Author Share Posted April 27, 2014 (edited) You can only claim it at pension age anyway and you can live overseas and get it but you have to be over retirement age. Under retirement age you probably will not get anything at all as you are no longer living here and you will have to earn a living until you retire. I think you may find that staying here with your condition is a better option. Many people have Lupus here and if you are in the tropics perhaps its better to move to Victoria or Tasmania. I can not believe that I would not get anything if I went back to uk to live I don't want to live in Australia anymore I want to move back home I am English not Australian I will look into this more by contact the pension people in the uk and find out for myself I can not believe that they would leave you with nothing even Australia does not to that with people that come on a boat!! so thanks for your help but I am not giving up I want to move home where most of my family lives I have a British passport not an Australian one if I did some thing real bad they would deport me back to UK even after all this time I need to find this out from the people that hand out the pensions and from people that can help I could go back and live with family get a job and stay there I am English was born there I am in west Australia but it does not matter all of Australia is hot ! Edited April 27, 2014 by petstar12 the guy next door is english he lives 6 months here and 6 month back in uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marisawright Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 (edited) That is nuts since here in Australia you are made to claim the pension from Britton if you are British . Who told you that? It doesn't matter where you come from - if you've worked in Australia for at least ten years, you are entitled to the Aussie pension. The only people who are "made" to claim the British pension are people who retire here, or who haven't worked the ten years. It doesn't matter whether you feel British or Australian - the British pension is based on what you contributed during your working life. You didn't work in Britain so you made no contributions, therefore you'll get no aged pension from the British government. Use this calculator, it's easy: https://www.gov.uk/browse/working/state-pension You did make contributions (through your tax) in Australia, therefore you are entitled to the Australian aged pension. The only problem is you'll have to come back and stay for a year to collect it, when you're old enough to claim it - which you may not be able to do, if you're only a permanent resident and allow your residency to expire. You'll lose your Australian disability pension soon after you leave Australia so I suggest you contact the UK authorities to find out if you'll get any payments over there. I suggest the first thing you need to do is get Aussie citizenship. That way you can come back to Australia any time if you need to (for instance, to claim the pension). You don't have to surrender your British passport, it's just for convenience. http://dspoverseas.proboards.com/ Edited April 28, 2014 by Marisawright Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petstar12 Posted April 28, 2014 Author Share Posted April 28, 2014 thank you for your links but I already found them and have email them from what your telling me the uk says no you can not live here we will not give you a pension we don't want you back here! my question is what about all the people in the UK that never worked a day in there life and there are many if it goes on how much you worked to what pension you get what do they do with them? I am an Australian citizen on paper but was born in England spend 19 years there before coming here with my family and this getting a pension from Australia but I have to come back to Australia to get it well the pension age here is 67 and is set to go to 70 so at 70 years old I am expected too come back here and live here a year to get the pension sounds crazy to me I have emailed UK GOV to see what I can do and not do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramot Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 I don't understand why you think the UK government should be responsible for you if you haven't lived there or contributed through work by paying taxes etc? Australia doesn't encourage old people either who haven't contributed who want to emmigrate here to be near their children,there might be some routes for older people to come to Oz to get benefits if they haven't worked here, I don't know, but the majority have to pay for the privilege. Parents who come on the parent contributory visa, either have to wait years and years, they probably possibly get Medicare, if onshore, or they pay mega dollars, as far as I know $43.000 each at least as they haven't contributed anything towards Medicare, to get a visa sooner, and have to pass a medical. i'll leave someone more know legible than me to to confirm the conditions. Also the age to claim the state old age pension in UK is rising all the time, so Oz is possibly in line with the UK, and unless you have paid into the UK system why should you be entitled to anything? Out of interest, if an Australian citizen hasn't lived in Australia for all their working life, contributed nothing are they entitled to anything if they return. Where do they stand to be eligible for a pension? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newjez Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 If you are on a disability pension, the govt has been cracking down on these and declaring people fit to work. I know of a guy with a brain tumor, and another with bowel cancer that were declared fit to work. Just something to be wary of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petstar12 Posted April 28, 2014 Author Share Posted April 28, 2014 thank you I know this from family that live in uk and to be honest if I was to listen to what you guys put on here I would of given up even think about moving back home but I have been told by the uk gov that I would get a Disability pension they cracked down on it in Australia too it is the same here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petstar12 Posted April 28, 2014 Author Share Posted April 28, 2014 to answer you last Question if your born in Australia and live outside Australia and then come back to Australia you will get a pension but Australia has an agreement with many country's that they will pay part of that persons pension so if you lived in Uk for many years then want to come back to live in Australia because your family live here you will get a part pension off the Australia gov and one off the uk too. I do not expect to get a pension from the uk I am saying that it is nut that I am told that I have to at 70 years old come back here and claim a pension why can I just not claim this Australian pension in the UK.I know that if you want to come and live here in Australia then yep you have to have lots of money if your not Australian I am English always will be was born in uk and even those after a number of years you can put up your hand and pay to become an Australian your still English cos that where you were born. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petstar12 Posted April 28, 2014 Author Share Posted April 28, 2014 Both my mum and dad when he was alive got pensions from uk my dad got more than my mum cos he had more stamps they used to have stamps then my mum is no 78 years old and still get a part pension from the Uk and one here from Australia THEY MADE MY MUM GET A PENSION from they uk saying she had to claim it even those she had not worked there for long she stopped work to have kids there are thousand of English people here get part pension from the Uk and the other part from Australia that is a fact! my dad worked in Australia more than ten year he still was told to claim a pension from uk and a pension from Australia that how it works here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gbye grey sky Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Are you planning to move to uk and work or are you looking solely at benefits until you reach retirement age. At your age the age pension in uk starts at 67 so you have 13 years to contribute and can pay top ups to entitle you to a Uk pension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petstar12 Posted April 28, 2014 Author Share Posted April 28, 2014 yep I am planning to work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marisawright Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 (edited) thank you for your links but I already found them and have email them from what your telling me the uk says no you can not live here we will not give you a pension we don't want you back here! my question is what about all the people in the UK that never worked a day in there life and there are many if it goes on how much you worked to what pension you get what do they do with them?. Ask my sister (who lives in the UK). She worked for one year before getting married, she had her first baby a year later and was a stay-at-home mum, and never made any contributions. She is now stuck with her husband (who has cheated on her twice) because she's not entitled to enough of a pension to survive on her own. Edited April 28, 2014 by Marisawright Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petstar12 Posted April 28, 2014 Author Share Posted April 28, 2014 then I think that is so bad when she is English and yep we have it better in Australia so maybe I will rethink may plans to come back home and stay right here where at least I will get a pension if I live that long! but it will be a full pension. I think that is so bad when your sister only stayed at home to have kids I see you live in Australia your sister lives in UK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marisawright Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 to answer you last Question if your born in Australia and live outside Australia and then come back to Australia you will get a pension but Australia has an agreement with many country's that they will pay part of that persons pension so if you lived in Uk for many years then want to come back to live in Australia because your family live here you will get a part pension off the Australia gov and one off the uk too. You're right, Australia has an agreement with many countries but Britain is not one of them. The agreement with the UK lapsed years ago and has never been renewed. So if you go and live in Italy, for instance, you won't have to come back to Australia to claim the pension - you'll be able to claim it just by filling in a form in Italy. I know it's mad, you'd think the UK would be MOST likely to have an agreement, but it's not. The result is that both Australia and Britain have changed the rules on how they treat pensioners from the other country, without consulting each other. Australians in the UK have to come back to Australia to claim the pension. On the other hand, Brits in Australia can claim the British pension, but when the pension goes up, they don't get any of the increases - their pension is stuck forever at what it is on day one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marisawright Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 then I think that is so bad when she is English and yep we have it better in Australia so maybe I will rethink may plans to come back home and stay right here where at least I will get a pension if I live that long! but it will be a full pension. I think that is so bad when your sister only stayed at home to have kids I see you live in Australia your sister lives in UK? Yes she does. He didn't cheat until the kids were grown up and left home, even the kids told her she should leave him. She actually went to live with my parents for several years but when they passed on, she had to go back to the husband because she didn't have enough money to manage on her own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramot Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 You're right, Australia has an agreement with many countries but Britain is not one of them. The agreement with the UK lapsed years ago and has never been renewed. So if you go and live in Italy, for instance, you won't have to come back to Australia to claim the pension - you'll be able to claim it just by filling in a form in Italy. I know it's mad, you'd think the UK would be MOST likely to have an agreement, but it's not. The result is that both Australia and Britain have changed the rules on how they treat pensioners from the other country, without consulting each other. Australians in the UK have to come back to Australia to claim the pension. On the other hand, Brits in Australia can claim the British pension, but when the pension goes up, they don't get any of the increases - their pension is stuck forever at what it is on day one. Marisa picking up on your point that UK state pension doesn't increase, this is correct, but if you go to UK for a holiday, you contact the correct department, and for your time in UK it increases to what it your up to date amount would be. Then as soon as you leave it reverts back to your original rate. How mad is that!! We claim even if we are only there for a week, just to make the point. sorry about the situation your sister finds herself in. I didn't work for long either, but was given the equivalent of 17 years of contributions for child rearing as we had 3 children, and then topped up with extra contributions. Only mentioning it in case it helps her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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