Why do people leave Oz

[flag of convenience]

You should really stop speaking as if your speaking for everybody. Most here in Australia are in a better position than ever before .Kids have a lot better life growing up , and most of us life has continued to get better of the years. This comment you make often that life used to be easier here just isn't the case for Aussies. People are a lot better off now than when I grew up in the eighties and the life and lifestyle of most folk has improved a great deal. Trouble is now a lot of people have to much money and children are spoiled more than ever.I feel for you , cause being so bitter about everything Australian must really play on your mind and make your life here miserable. That's is how you come across. Your point of view on most things is very negative in regards to Australia and Australians and that's sad as you live here.

 

I lived here in the 80's and yes life was better then for most. I could give you a list of reasons but why bother. I think I speak for a lot of people who were around at the time and later. Not my interest if you and similar sorts that predominate on this forums want to hear the truth or not.

 

The constant putdowns off other points of views, in the desire to create a sanitised forum where is dissent or critique of any kind is well noted. You are entitles to your Disney like views of Australia and feel free to sprout them all you want. Just as I will continue to air the real life as I see it. Your post does sound like your speaking for everybody.

 

Perhaps you should broaden to horizons a little more. Certainly accept different views without such comment.

[flag of convenience]

You should really stop speaking as if your speaking for everybody. Most here in Australia are in a better position than ever before .Kids have a lot better life growing up , and most of us life has continued to get better of the years. This comment you make often that life used to be easier here just isn't the case for Aussies. People are a lot better off now than when I grew up in the eighties and the life and lifestyle of most folk has improved a great deal. Trouble is now a lot of people have to much money and children are spoiled more than ever.I feel for you , cause being so bitter about everything Australian must really play on your mind and make your life here miserable. That's is how you come across. Your point of view on most things is very negative in regards to Australia and Australians and that's sad as you live here.

 

Further if you read my one liner it stated I. Has does that appear to speak for everybody? Add to that the thread is titled Why Do People Leave OZ? So what's your beef?

[flag of convenience]

I doubt anywhere in the world is the same as seven years ago. The whole world is changing faster and faster.

 

Not everywhere has had a boom though that has seriously impacted in many ways on the nation. Some for the better I'd argue more for the worse. Although I agree the world in general is changing far too rapidly for the good of most who are powerless to influence the outcome.

[Rossmoyne]

Perhaps people leave Oz because it doesn't live up to the "dream" that they had... or perhaps they are missing family and friends in their home country.... or perhaps they only ever intended to have an adventure for a few years.... so many reasons. What does amaze me though is the number of people who have nothing nice to say about Oz, but who still live here! Perhaps they are the ones who need to leave!

[wattsy1982]

Insufficient research then

 

Ha, how can i research into whether I would miss the UK season...without moving overseas....think about....

[wattsy1982]

You should really stop speaking as if your speaking for everybody. Most here in Australia are in a better position than ever before .Kids have a lot better life growing up , and most of us life has continued to get better of the years. This comment you make often that life used to be easier here just isn't the case for Aussies. People are a lot better off now than when I grew up in the eighties and the life and lifestyle of most folk has improved a great deal. Trouble is now a lot of people have to much money and children are spoiled more than ever.I feel for you , cause being so bitter about everything Australian must really play on your mind and make your life here miserable. That's is how you come across. Your point of view on most things is very negative in regards to Australia and Australians and that's sad as you live here.

 

Why you are on the 'moving back to the uk' section when life is perfect for you here?

[dxboz]

Maybe because they just reply to a post (as I do - you just hit 'home') and think they are on the general board - I had no idea I was posting in whatever specialised forum ???

Edited May 3, 2014 by dxboz

[wattsy1982]

Maybe because they just reply to a post (as I do) and think they are on the general board???

 

Ha maybe, although it doesnt take much to read a title but who knows.

 

Regardless, I wonder why people take other peoples OPINIONS so personally. At the end of the day these people are only saying they dont like Aus for reasons that have affected them and are making decisions that will only affect them....just cos 1 person decides they want to go back to UK doesnt mean we al have to go.

[dxboz]

The title said Why do people leave Oz - I agree with you though each to their own

[Ausborn]

Why you are on the 'moving back to the uk' section when life is perfect for you here?

 

Hey wattsy, you want a run down. Well I'm go on basically wherever I like on the forum when I have a browse.The new threads option is great. I like this section cause guess what I too will live in the uk again in the not to distant future, and back to oz again , then back the uk again. I was actually addressing Foc who as you would know posts his opinions in every section of this forum trying to address the folks with knowledgable information on what a hell hole Australia is. Hope this puts your mind at rest.

oh yer and life is close to perfect thanks

Edited May 3, 2014 by Ausborn

[wattsy1982]

Hey wattsy, you want a run down.

 

Not really no.

[Ausborn]

Not really no.

 

Dont ask why then

[wattsy1982]

The title said Why do people leave Oz

 

Exactly...why do people leave OZ....its a question that doesnt have a right or wrong answer, although some would have you believe otherwise!

 

Unfortunately this, as every other thread on here has turned from the original question to a pro aus force beating those down who have/want to/are going to return to the UK.

 

Such is life i guess

[wattsy1982]

Dont ask why then

 

:policeman:

[flag of convenience]

Perhaps people leave Oz because it doesn't live up to the "dream" that they had... or perhaps they are missing family and friends in their home country.... or perhaps they only ever intended to have an adventure for a few years.... so many reasons. What does amaze me though is the number of people who have nothing nice to say about Oz, but who still live here! Perhaps they are the ones who need to leave!

 

That wouldn't include me though expect you do infer that. Perhaps more to the acceptance different points of view without the personal commentary those persist with on this forum in order to nullify alternative comment.

 

There are as many reasons as can be imagined why folk do whatever. Most probably don't hate Australia but do tire of those over defensive souls putting out the same predictable comment.

 

If such comments were aired in reverse on the soapy love OZ threads all form of personal insults would be launched.

[flag of convenience]

Hey wattsy, you want a run down. Well I'm go on basically wherever I like on the forum when I have a browse.The new threads option is great. I like this section cause guess what I too will live in the uk again in the not to distant future, and back to oz again , then back the uk again. I was actually addressing Foc who as you would know posts his opinions in every section of this forum trying to address the folks with knowledgable information on what a hell hole Australia is. Hope this puts your mind at rest.

oh yer and life is close to perfect thanks

 

No actually I'm not aware of that. If you can't accept the realties of life in Australia as seen through other eyes, not my problem. The near fascist attempt to shut out opposing views to your own and a few others on here is equally clear. Shamefully it does prevent some newbies from airing their particular situation or issue with the bullying.

 

No matter I will continue to address the issue as I see fit together with those opposed to free speech and a different take on things. Hopefully you'll have something of some value to contribute to such threads rather than your jaundiced view of just how jolly it all is down under.

[flag of convenience]

Dont ask why then

 

Just because you fail to answer in an adequate way, doesn't mean it shouldn't be asked.

[flag of convenience]

Exactly...why do people leave OZ....its a question that doesnt have a right or wrong answer, although some would have you believe otherwise!

 

Unfortunately this, as every other thread on here has turned from the original question to a pro aus force beating those down who have/want to/are going to return to the UK.

 

Such is life i guess

 

Such is life indeed. As I mentioned folk leave for a million reasons. Why shouldn't they? Hardly anything so special about OZ compared to other advanced/advancing countries.

Some plain and simple don't like it. Others tire of it. Does it really matter? Seems it does to some. How bizarre is that?

[Chortlepuss]

To say you don't have travel opportunities in Australia is narrow minded. The whole country is there to explore. Plus other cultures in Asia. Not everyone wants to go around Europe. A lot of poms have already done that before they came here. We like Australia for it's diversity too not just its climate. Mountains, bush, beach, surf, desert, heritage too.

if you're wealthy and have unlimited holiday leave then you can travel anywhere you want from Oz. For those of us on average salaries and 20 days it's a different matter. Seen a lot of Oz and a lot was stunning. Been to NZ and Fiji. Asia may be nearer here but often cheaper to get there from the UK. The tyranny of distance means that the equivalent of popping over to Prague or even New York for a long weekend is not possible here. Not Australia's fault but travel is a high priority for me. I'm expecting an upcoming minibreak to Melbourne for me & hubby to cost in the region of $1.5k May be small beer to some, it's a lot for us. I know I could go camping in the bush (again) for peanuts. After all these years I'm a bit bored of it TBH.

[Marisawright]

Much of my childhood involved camping weekends around Sydney. We never ran out of places to visit, and its all very diverse. The west coast is a bit samy, but the east coast is magical. Plu, having just visited Devon, you have the joy of being able to drive somewhere, and park the car! A luxury not often possible in English seaside destinations.

 

It probably doesn't help that I'm not a camper - and also I think it's different going as a kid than as an adult. No doubt you spent most of your time playing, rather than walking along enjoying the scenery.

 

Besides, have you been going back to those places every year since? I've been in Sydney for over thirty years . . .

Edited May 3, 2014 by Marisawright

[Ausborn]

Such is life indeed. As I mentioned folk leave for a million reasons. Why shouldn't they? Hardly anything so special about OZ compared to other advanced/advancing countries.

Some plain and simple don't like it. Others tire of it. Does it really matter? Seems it does to some. How bizarre is that?

 

ill take it as I'm one of them this is directed at. If you havnt realised before I have no problems at all with people deciding somewhere else is better for them than Australia. Good on them and I respect them for chasing what they want. I love the uk as well as Australia. Both great countries and as a dual citizen I live in both. Never see me knocking the uk seriously do you. Why would I .They don't bother me at all and I usually won't comment on a returning thread.i commented on your post about people used to be better off than they are now in this country . Look at figures, look at families,go outside for a change. You see more money, more opportunity, better lifestyles , bigger homes , better toys than ever before. I know of not a single family that was better off in the eighties. To be clear I was just commenting on your comment . If you think I'm gonna sit here and debate someone like you , I wouldn't bother. I'd lose before I start with your agenda.I can respect those returning as they made a good decision for themselves and their lives . Unlike you who really just whinges about anything and everything and stays put. Do yourself a favour and leave this terrible place Foc. Life's too short to be miserable . You don't so much bother me, I was just saying once again you were speaking crap to suit your agenda basically. I'll keep my mouth shut next time. Have fun

[Aunt Agatha]

To answer the original question, we're leaving Australia because it's time for a new adventure. Our folks are not in the best of health and we really want our children to spend some time with their grandparents while they still can but I am not pining for family as I know some other migrants do, that must be hard. Still, it feels the right thing to do to go and be near our parents as they age and face major health issues, they are such sweethearts.

 

I LOVE my Aussie friends and found it easy to build really good relationships. In fact I'd say I have a better friendship circle here because almost all of my friends are in Brisbane so I see them a lot whereas all my UK friends are scattered about. DH on the other hand really misses his UK mates and hasn't got any true friends here. I have found the job opportunities better here and my DH has too, unfortunately a variety of circumstances mean we are worse off financially here than we were in the UK. That may or may not change upon returning. I am concerned about missing my friends and about the financial stuff. The move here and back again has cost a fortune and I keep thinking what we could have done with that money if we hadn't moved abroad. But then we would have missed this Aussie adventure and I wouldn't want that.

 

I have really enjoyed my life here - it certainly isn't a "resort lifestyle" though, I'd rather stick forks in my eyes!! But we never expected it to be permanent and TBH I feel my time here has run its course. I hate to say it but I'm a bit bored. Someone made a good point about Aus being great for camping/fishing/4WD etc. but I'm not into that (neither is DH). I miss the history of the UK, the buildings, the British culture and humour. Those things exist in an Australian version of course but I simply prefer the British variety.

[flag of convenience]

ill take it as I'm one of them this is directed at. If you havnt realised before I have no problems at all with people deciding somewhere else is better for them than Australia. Good on them and I respect them for chasing what they want. I love the uk as well as Australia. Both great countries and as a dual citizen I live in both. Never see me knocking the uk seriously do you. Why would I .They don't bother me at all and I usually won't comment on a returning thread.i commented on your post about people used to be better off than they are now in this country . Look at figures, look at families,go outside for a change. You see more money, more opportunity, better lifestyles , bigger homes , better toys than ever before. I know of not a single family that was better off in the eighties. To be clear I was just commenting on your comment . If you think I'm gonna sit here and debate someone like you , I wouldn't bother. I'd lose before I start with your agenda.I can respect those returning as they made a good decision for themselves and their lives . Unlike you who really just whinges about anything and everything and stays put. Do yourself a favour and leave this terrible place Foc. Life's too short to be miserable . You don't so much bother me, I was just saying once again you were speaking crap to suit your agenda basically. I'll keep my mouth shut next time. Have fun

 

Your correct in stating you'd lose a debate before you even started if the above is a further example of what's on offer. As such fully appreciate your lack of appetite to progress further. Probably rather wise in the circumstances. My take on the matter is a few on here get the bit between the teeth at the first signs of any dissent or expressions of disquiet towards anything Aussie.

 

As for agendas, well my only agenda, not necessary the term I would use, is to put back ever so gently those that come out firing when others state a grievance often newbies, as such perhaps not always used to the rough and tumble at times displayed by certain OZ god zoners and sadly feel intimidated and leave the forum, in a sense bullied off.

 

Whether you like the UK and love OZ is frankly nether here nor there in the debate at hand. The debate is about returning home to UK and as such the personal is already one assumes under a degree of emotional angst around their decision and the numerous factors involved.

 

Rather akin to telling someone with a mental illness to pull themselves together. The lack of empathy all apparent.

 

Some do see this country through a very narrow spy glass. I could take each mentioned improvement in the list offered and explain why we are less better off. For example bigger houses. What about the massive personal debt in this country to pay for those bigger houses and toys mentioned? Australia some may be ill informed has a massive personal debt. It has over inflated housing. An increase in interest rates and/or a slump in the economy along with deflation would have massive impact on a very lot of people.

I could write a whole segment on that issue alone but the intention I think is clear.

 

Working hours to pay for those inflated toys and houses are close to the highest in the industrialized world. Hence better lifestyles? Depends largely on age and position. Certainly not better for anyone attempting to get on the housing ladder these days. Lifestyle certainly not as relaxed these days. Working conditions certainly not good for the quarter on temp contracts or those part timers that want/need more work.

 

I would hazard a guess that folk are less happier as well as all those big houses and toys don't mean much when so many more life in isolation and disconnected. Individualism though always present to an extent has escalated in my view, as a subjective observation, along with greed and competition with the Jones's which has not led to an improvement in society and hence while certain folk in certain areas should perhaps be aware this is a boom bust country for many and little would appear to have changed.

 

 

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[flag of convenience]

if you're wealthy and have unlimited holiday leave then you can travel anywhere you want from Oz. For those of us on average salaries and 20 days it's a different matter. Seen a lot of Oz and a lot was stunning. Been to NZ and Fiji. Asia may be nearer here but often cheaper to get there from the UK. The tyranny of distance means that the equivalent of popping over to Prague or even New York for a long weekend is not possible here. Not Australia's fault but travel is a high priority for me. I'm expecting an upcoming minibreak to Melbourne for me & hubby to cost in the region of $1.5k May be small beer to some, it's a lot for us. I know I could go camping in the bush (again) for peanuts. After all these years I'm a bit bored of it TBH.

 

It is not only the massive expense to travel from Australia but the time involved as well. This may not be such an issue until elderly but something worthy of consideration.

 

Travel in OZ is ok but the expense involved must make it questionable.

[janlo]

Yeh well deffo more to see & less distance to travel to see it back in Europe. Housing is bigger here...back in England lots of folk trying to cram on often ugly extensions where as they are built bigger in the first place here :smile: