Sir Les Patterson Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Why might it take two years to find out whats happened...sorry if ive butted in??Just very interested/concerned like most other people... They've got to find it first for a start......the piecing together of an air disaster is not something done in 6 weeks......a lot will depend on how much of the wreckage is found and how much of the aeroplane can be pieced together....the CVR and FDR (if found) will have to analysed. Have a read of USAir Flight 427s loss...that investigation took 4 1/2 years http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USAir_Flight_427 or Air France 447.......this investigation again took years http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_447 Airliners are not like cars.....they are large,complex machines and even though many redundancies and fail safes are built in sometimes as we say "the holes in the swiss cheese line up" and an accident occurs........an aircraft accident is not caused by one single event but by a series of events "lining up" so that the eventual disaster occurs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Les Patterson Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Unfortunately Sir Les you can never stop wild speculation it is the way of the world. Yes...I guess you are right......everyone's an armchair expert at times. I don't speculate because I know nothing more than anyone else even though it's my industry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abz123 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Because having been in aviation for over 40 years and having over 22,000 flying hours (approx 13,500 on Boeings) the loss of a an aeroplane is somewhat distressing especially when NO ONE knows what actually has happened. Yes, wild speculation annoys me. I was aware of your aviation background but as wild speculation is the (unfortunate) nature of this thread I would have thought you would have chosen to avoid it by now rather than keep reading the latest PIO conspiracy theories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samdom1 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 They've got to find it first for a start......the piecing together of an air disaster is not something done in 6 weeks......a lot will depend on how much of the wreckage is found and how much of the aeroplane can be pieced together....the CVR and FDR (if found) will have to analysed. Have a read of USAir Flight 427s loss...that investigation took 4 1/2 years http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USAir_Flight_427 or Air France 447.......this investigation again took years http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_447 Airliners are not like cars.....they are large,complex machines and even though many redundancies and fail safes are built in sometimes as we say "the holes in the swiss cheese line up" and an accident occurs........an aircraft accident is not caused by one single event but by a series of events "lining up" so that the eventual disaster occurs. Thank you for that...it makes more sense now. I know this would be speculation, however as my family and I are flying over to OZ in July with Malaysian Airlines from Kuala Lumpar am I right in thinking that actually this makes this airline one of the safest in the air right now as the heightened awareness that follows a disaster only pays to make us all more focussed? As somebody with such a lot of aviation experience what are your thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernbird Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Thank you for that...it makes more sense now. I know this would be speculation, however as my family and I are flying over to OZ in July with Malaysian Airlines from Kuala Lumpar am I right in thinking that actually this makes this airline one of the safest in the air right now as the heightened awareness that follows a disaster only pays to make us all more focussed? As somebody with such a lot of aviation experience what are your thoughts? Malaysia Airlines carries 37k passengers per day. You have to put things in perspective regarding air travel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Pitstop Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 It's human nature to speculate. Just because most people are not aviation experts doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to speak or that their opinion is worthless. We are all people who fly in planes and incidents like this fill us with fear / horror / sympathy / curiosity - it's natural to want to talk about it. A girl from my village who I went to school with became an Air Traffic Investigator. She worked on the Lockerbie crash and I saw her recently on tv (The Plane Crash) when they deliberately crashed a plane in the desert to see what they could learn from it. A strange career for a girl who was extremely shy, but I can see the fascination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Les Patterson Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 It will be more dangerous driving to the airport Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Les Patterson Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 I was aware of your aviation background but as wild speculation is the (unfortunate) nature of this thread I would have thought you would have chosen to avoid it by now rather than keep reading the latest PIO conspiracy theories. I think my one about the Romulans or Klingons was the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abz123 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 I think my one about the Romulans or Klingons was the best. I did like that but I think I got alien abduction in before you :wink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Les Patterson Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 I did like that but I think I got alien abduction in before you :wink: True......but mine was Alien destruction not abduction :wink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abz123 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 True......but mine was Alien destruction not abduction :wink: My version could still have a happy ending though, you've kind of closed your story line off, short of a time shift/parallel universe or something of that nature. No actual proof of Klingon or Romulan existence outside of the movie/TV arena but then not much proof of anything in this thread either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-bone Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 I've been on http://www.tomnod.com for the last couple of days. Jump on if you want to help search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasepom Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 I'm not sure it's wild speculation when people on this thread are only reporting/commenting in what is being reported by experts in the media. But as someone not in the industry I can still see the similarities between this and other incidents. I mean the plane carried on flying without any contact with ATC. Why would conscious pilots not call in ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-bone Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Why would the transponders be switched off, keeping in mind they have 10 back up generators on the 777? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted March 12, 2014 Author Share Posted March 12, 2014 Speculation doesn't do any harm. Our theories are just the same as theories voiced with much more prominence on every news service and every newspaper every day. Aviation experts are asked their opinions and have provided their own theories to the media. Our theories are the same and not doing any harm compared to what is much more visible in the mainstream media. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londongal76 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 I've been on www.tomnod.com for the last couple of days. Jump on if you want to help search. That's great, thanks T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted March 13, 2014 Author Share Posted March 13, 2014 US investigators are pursuing the possibility that missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 and its 239 passengers and crew are being held against their will at an unknown location. The Wall Street Journal has this afternoon published sensational claims that counterterrorism officials now believe somebody on board deliberately turned off the plane’s transponders to avoid radar detection. The report said data automatically downloaded and sent to the ground from the Boeing 777's engines indicated the plane remained in the air for a total of five hours - a further four hours after contact was lost. "Officials were told investigators are actively pursuing the notion that the plane was diverted 'with the intention of using it later for another purpose'," the paper said, quoting an unnamed source. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjgibbs Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Well that goes against claims it was witnessed by a man from NZ apparently go down in flames as seen from the oil rig he was working on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted March 13, 2014 Author Share Posted March 13, 2014 If it was true it makes you think of a possible 9-11 type attack being planned. Just another theory of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossmoyne Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 US investigators are pursuing the possibility that missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 and its 239 passengers and crew are being held against their will at an unknown location.The Wall Street Journal has this afternoon published sensational claims that counterterrorism officials now believe somebody on board deliberately turned off the plane’s transponders to avoid radar detection. The report said data automatically downloaded and sent to the ground from the Boeing 777's engines indicated the plane remained in the air for a total of five hours - a further four hours after contact was lost. "Officials were told investigators are actively pursuing the notion that the plane was diverted 'with the intention of using it later for another purpose'," the paper said, quoting an unnamed source. I have just heard that on the ABC news. Must admit when I heard one aviation expert say on ABC that the transponders could be tracked for years even under the ocean, but could be turned off by the Pilot....well I did wonder if it could be a hijacking for terrorism purposes. The whole situation is so scary and worrying and I cannot imagine how the families and friends of the crew and passenger must be feeling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-bone Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 So, hijacked by North Korea or Pakistan or terrorist group to be used as a delivery mechanism for a nuclear/dirty weapon? This could be a possible answer as it seems as though it flew for another four hours. Perhaps the NZ oil worker merely saw the diversion. The proposed crash spot by the hijackers to make the world think it crashed en-route to its destination. The hijacker's associates grabbed a pontoon, set light to it, and thought the search and rescue teams would spot it and buy them time to fly the aircraft out of the area? Plausible enough when coupled with the fact that it looks as though the transponders had been manually switched off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr luvpants Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 hey Tbone! sorry to hijack the thread but how are you???? Long time no hear. Where in theworld are you nowadays???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-bone Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 hey Tbone! sorry to hijack the thread but how are you???? Long time no hear. Where in theworld are you nowadays???? Hello mate! How's it going? I'm currently in London but back to Perth in a couple of months. You still in Gold Coast? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr luvpants Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Sunshine Coast and been here for three years now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-bone Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Fantastic! You still loving it?.........I'll PM you rather than take over this thread..... but in Aug to Oct I'm supposed to be going on a little road trip from Sydney via Gold Coast, Whitsundays, NT, Northern WA, then down to Perth. In which case I'll pop by if you're around? I may have to delay it due to work, so it's a little up in the air at the mo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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