Vanduex Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 There is an over supply of primary teachers here - thousands without jobs. So it may well be that that they are not on any lists right now. I think maybe this is the reason for the whole thread and is therefore not a good situation for OP. Hopefully I am wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy1 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 In WA, where I believe the OP wants to teach, Early Childhood Teachers in schools work from Kindy level up to Year Three. They do not work from birth to 2 (which the OP said is required), unless they are based in a child care centre. There is often a shortage in child care centres because the salary is so poor, hence the availability of jobs I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamffc Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 I would be fair confident in assuming that teaching is an over subscribed profession here. I have only been in Australia a year and have met plenty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helynn McCallum Posted February 23, 2014 Author Share Posted February 23, 2014 Oh dear...this post has just created some really unwelcome comments.....especially the ones that are a personal attack!! I am saying nothing more..all I wanted was some advise and thanks to those who have provided this....I will continue my application and hopefully it will be a positive outcome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xlornax Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 (edited) Sorry you were bombarded wth that. What's that abt..you've only put on a couple of posts...I hope u kp posting..its everyone jumping on ppl like that which puts new posters off and pio is left wth the same monopoly of people ...typed words can be interpreted the wrong way too...anyway I knw nothing abt teaching but hope u got some help here let us knw how u get on Edited February 23, 2014 by snifter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest30085 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Hi Helen Firstly, wait until your skills assessment comes back to see how your qualifications and experience are assessed, this will lead the way on your application. Secondly, the SOL list and the state sponsorship lists change all the time, plus there may be further changes as of July 1st when the new financial year starts, then you will be able to assess which visa options are viable for you. For now, just sit tight and await the outcome of your skills assessment x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helynn McCallum Posted February 23, 2014 Author Share Posted February 23, 2014 (edited) Sorry you were bombarded wth that. What's that abt..you've only put on a couple of posts...I hope u kp posting..its everyone jumping on ppl like that which puts new posters off and pio is left wth the same monopoly of people ...typed words can be interpreted the wrong way too...anyway I knw nothing abt teaching but hope u got some help here let us knw how u get on xlornax - Thank you so much for your support...it may have sounded different to them but I really don't think any of my posts deserved the responses I got.....I feel bullied and yes was ready for leaving the forum but its such a hive of information that I've decided to stay...Thanks again and no doubt I'll have some more horrid responses. x Edited February 23, 2014 by snifter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louisella Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Hi Helynn It it shame that you felt bullied as that's not nice for anyone. From an objective point of view, as has been stated, typed words can come across very different to how they're meant. People were just after clarification about your posts so they could offer advice - as you're fully aware of your situation, they may not have seemed confusing to you as obviously you know exactly what's going on but to an outsider it wasn't that clear. I think your response re Spanish inquisition etc could well have come across as a bit 'bullish' when you genuinely may not have intended that at all. Like yourself I haven't been on this forum that long but have found the support and advice has been invaluable especially when posters are doing it off their own back and in their own time. It's definitely worth staying on especially as you're so early on in the process and want to do it without an agent - this forum is really useful for advice and support and I think a lot of people would be a bit lost without it (I know I would!) Best of luck with your application and hopefully you'll be able to find a way forward in your teaching dream Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Please report any posts felt to be out of order. Mods can't see everything all the time so if a personal attack or some such is made, report it so we can take a look. As it is I've removed the comments in question now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanduex Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Hope nothing I said caused any offence. Was a genuine attempt to provide clarity and support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 I think we are all better just moving on now please let's get back to topic for the OP please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanduex Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 No problem. Is some one able to clear up whether Primary Teacher is on any of the lists? Could be a potential route for exploration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quoll Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Crickey this is the Spanish inquisition!! I think if you looks closely at my reply you will see that I have answered most of your questions but just incase you really are finding it difficult to understand and I feel you clearly all are: - I have a 4 years honours degree I then have a PGDE NOT PGCE which is a higher ranking qualification than the PGCE as it is a full diploma and not certificate in PRIMARY EDUCATION....it covers the 3-18 curriculum and yes I can teach in secondary as well as I can specialise in specific subjects if I have experience of this! I am currently teaching a year 1 class at the moment and have taught in the early years for 3 years. I applied to AITSL 2 weeks ago I wish to teach any stage up to Year 6 in OZ but would prefer infants! Hope this is clears everything up!! I doubt the PGDE is higher ranking than the PGCE (England) as it seems there was just a renaming process a few years ago. It appears to have a 50/50 school/uni breakdown. New graduates from the Schools Based approach have been rejected by Aus because not enough time was in Uni course work. The key will be whether your qualification comprises a set number of hours in class and a set number at uni. Also, the states are very nitpicky about how many hours you have spent on particular subject areas. You'll only know when you get your assessment back. That's only step one though - as others have said, there's a huge oversupply of local primary teachers so getting a job will be yet another challenge. I'd be surprised if it was on any list given the number of young Aussie teachers who can't get jobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy1 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 (edited) I doubt the PGDE is higher ranking than the PGCE (England) as it seems there was just a renaming process a few years ago. It appears to have a 50/50 school/uni breakdown. New graduates from the Schools Based approach have been rejected by Aus because not enough time was in Uni course work. The key will be whether your qualification comprises a set number of hours in class and a set number at uni. Also, the states are very nitpicky about how many hours you have spent on particular subject areas. You'll only know when you get your assessment back. That's only step one though - as others have said, there's a huge oversupply of local primary teachers so getting a job will be yet another challenge. I'd be surprised if it was on any list given the number of young Aussie teachers who can't get jobs. Quoll is absolutely correct. The course must be university based and with the required number of days spent on prac (supervised teaching). To teach a secondary subject here, a certain number of hours must have been spent on the subject and units officially gained. So it is very unlikely that a one year teaching qualification (which the OP has obtained in primary education) would qualify her to teach both primary and secondary here - our education system simply does not work that way. Right now many primary teachers in WA are undertaking study via a one year course, as the year 7's transition to high school for the first time next year. This means that lots of primary teachers will lose their jobs, hence the reason the education department is funding the courses to enable primary teachers to be qualified to teach maths,science and design and technology (need areas) at secondary level. If early childhood is the only option and if it is now stipulated that birth to two must be studied, then a solution is to do some some more study. I should point out though that in WA it is not required for teachers in schools to have birth to two experience, this would possibly relate to child care centres. Edited February 24, 2014 by Sammy1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Del70 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Hi all, Yes, Primary School Teacher 241213 is still on the CSOL, towards the bottom of the list. I think the main problem is the fact that it is on the CSOL means that you need state sponsorship. Only a few states have it on their lists, and all but one (Victoria) need you to have a job offer. Victoria needs you to be able to teach certain languages. Hope this helps! :biggrin: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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