Guest51810 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Stacey, I was commenting on the first line of Kate's post, referring to a pit bull attack. Fair enough I apologise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I have posted on here before but my dislike of pitbulls has come about from a lot of attacks on people in Melbourne and elsewhere. Often by 2 or more pitbulls together. Then a four year old child was mauled to death by her neighbours pit bull. It was truly horrific. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-17/dog-kills-melbourne-toddler/2844178 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bound4Tassie Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 The dog in question this time was an Alaskan Malamute, not the breeds previously mentioned on here. Not that the breed really matters. When you want to find out who is at fault in these dog attacks you need to look at the other end of the leash. The breed differs in each attack but the type of owner/ background is always the same. Poorly educated. No idea about responsible dog ownership let alone responsible parenting. Would you feel so sorry for the parents if they told their kids to go play on the motorway and then they cried because they got run over?? It's the same type of stupidity / neglect of parental duty when you leave a baby alone with ANY dog. Oh and to Andy who trusts bulldogs ... A colleague of mine rehomed their English bulldog after it bit her husband when he tried to put it outside. Just saying ... It's not the breed that's important here and bulldogs are no more immune to this than other breeds so don't get complacent where your children are concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 The Alaskan Malamute is number 6 on the list of top 10 most dangerous dogs (pitbull is number 1). http://www.themost10.com/10-most-dangerous-dog-breeds/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Andy Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 The dog in question this time was an Alaskan Malamute, not the breeds previously mentioned on here. Not that the breed really matters. When you want to find out who is at fault in these dog attacks you need to look at the other end of the leash. The breed differs in each attack but the type of owner/ background is always the same. Poorly educated. No idea about responsible dog ownership let alone responsible parenting. Would you feel so sorry for the parents if they told their kids to go play on the motorway and then they cried because they got run over?? It's the same type of stupidity / neglect of parental duty when you leave a baby alone with ANY dog. Oh and to Andy who trusts bulldogs ... A colleague of mine rehomed their English bulldog after it bit her husband when he tried to put it outside. Just saying ... It's not the breed that's important here and bulldogs are no more immune to this than other breeds so don't get complacent where your children are concerned. How am I being complacent? You yourself has said it is the owner rather than the breed and I am comfortable that my British Bulldog would not harm my children in any way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bound4Tassie Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I'm sure that top 10 was rigourously researched and evidence can back it up! Psml! Well at least Staffies aren't on it so they must be ok! Andy - depends on how old your kids are 17yr olds are a different kettle of fish to 2 year olds. It's your responsibility/ decision and you that deals with the consequences if your judgement is wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Andy Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I'm sure that top 10 was rigourously researched and evidence can back it up! Psml! Well at least Staffies aren't on it so they must be ok! Andy - depends on how old your kids are 17yr olds are a different kettle of fish to 2 year olds. It's your responsibility/ decision and you that deals with the consequences if your judgement is wrong. I think you should possibly look at my previous posts on this thread and my thoughts on the dog owners as they are similar to yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest51810 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I'm sure that top 10 was rigourously researched and evidence can back it up! Psml! Well at least Staffies aren't on it so they must be ok! Andy - depends on how old your kids are 17yr olds are a different kettle of fish to 2 year olds. It's your responsibility/ decision and you that deals with the consequences if your judgement is wrong. I think a lot of people just bunch staffies in with the pitbull name if that makes sense. I've had one or two people say "is that one of those pitbulls that you have". Err no.. Mines looked nothing like that. Both quite small and Lucy reminded me more of a British bulldog sometimes lol. I just wish there were stricter rules on who could own dogs. I hate the way some people just breed any dog with anything for money and just pass their dogs along to anyone on gumtree etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metoo Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 It is interesting how many posters on here say that their dogs have been attacked by other dogs. The aggressive dogs are then taken home to their families some probably with young children. Is this bad behaviour just overlooked until something really bad happens? Personally I have never owned a dog so am no expert, but I am sure that some people ignore the warning signs at their peril. Having said that, I do love animals and we will probably get a dog when we move, I quite fancy getting a staffy, my daughter has one and she is a really lovely dog. I won't get one though while the cat is still with us, that's just asking or trouble lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Que Sera Sera Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I've been bitten twice in my life, once by a Border Collie and once by a Black Lab. So I don't agree with breed specific aggression but yes some digs over time have been bred or encouraged to be violent. I walk dogs every day from Dachshunds to Rotties . You just can't pick their temperaments by breed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest51810 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 It is interesting how many posters on here say that their dogs have been attacked by other dogs. The aggressive dogs are then taken home to their families some probably with young children. Is this bad behaviour just overlooked until something really bad happens? Personally I have never owned a dog so am no expert, but I am sure that some people ignore the warning signs at their peril. Having said that, I do love animals and we will probably get a dog when we move, I quite fancy getting a staffy, my daughter has one and she is a really lovely dog. I won't get one though while the cat is still with us, that's just asking or trouble lol If you got your staffy as a pup and the cat doesn't mind dogs then you would be fine. Or there are even older staffies who get on well with cats obviously but I don't know if your going to go for a pup or a rescue adult. Eric was great with cats but I wouldn't trust Lucy with one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bound4Tassie Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 If you know/ read anything about canine behaviour you will find that dog on dog aggression is quite a different entity to dogs biting humans . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest51810 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I was attacked by a beagle when I was younger. It just went for me randomly. Think the only other time was a Lhasa apso that bit my finger in the kennels that I worked in. That was bloody sore lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metoo Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 If you know/ read anything about canine behaviour you will find that dog on dog aggression is quite a different entity to dogs biting humans . Like I said, I'm not an expert and I have never owned a dog. My friend had a grey hound which used to love running around the park, unfortunately it would chase rabbits and kill them. They were upset by this behaviour but still kept the dog as he was part of the family. When their first child was born the dog was kept well away from the baby but eventually they became complacent and the dog bit the babies face. Only 2 puncture wounds but enough to frighten them. The dog was put down and they felt terrible but their child was more important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bound4Tassie Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 What did they expect a greyhound to do when it saw a rabbit??! Having said that - that is nothing to do with the warning snap it gave the child . ( if the dog thought the baby was a rabbit the resultant bite would have caused much worse wound than what you have described ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyHeart Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 A sleeping greyhound..or any dog..will nip if woken by a child in its face suddenly. Its just reflex action. We taught our son to call the dogs name to make sure awake before approaching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Que Sera Sera Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 That's also an issue,an unwell dog or a dog in pain or even a dehydrated dog can act completely out of character. Mix into that a loud prodding child! Its an accident waiting to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Pom Queen Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Thats your opinion but i disagree, leaving a dog tied up in a back yard is cruel and irresponsible, full stop. That wasn't his opinion he was trying to quote another poster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveakaginge Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 A dog can not identify with a baby, and does't know what it is, and a crying baby will attract it's attention, as will a baby making a noise, they are like squeaky toys to them. My two are Shih Tzu, and are fantastic with children, but I would never ever trust them alone with them, let alone a baby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveakaginge Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Like I said, I'm not an expert and I have never owned a dog. My friend had a grey hound which used to love running around the park, unfortunately it would chase rabbits and kill them. They were upset by this behaviour but still kept the dog as he was part of the family. When their first child was born the dog was kept well away from the baby but eventually they became complacent and the dog bit the babies face. Only 2 puncture wounds but enough to frighten them. The dog was put down and they felt terrible but their child was more important. Then imho, these people were irresponsible, and should be banned from keeping dogs ever again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Pom Queen Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 I bet most dog attacks are against children from babies up to 12 year olds. I also bet that the breeds that do attack that you keep mentioning ie staffies, Rotties, pit bulls, GSD etc are the ones owned by young lads who want a macho dog on their arm. To be honest I've always found its the smaller dogs that snap easily but because they don't do any physical damage, sometimes don't even break the skin they are often ignored. If a large dog bites then you hear about it because they make a mess. If you took out of the equation macho dog owners and children, I bet we would see less dog attacks in the world. I do feel sorry for the poor dogs who do snap and are put to sleep, was it self defence on the dogs part, was the dog only playing, was the dog in pain, was the dog cornered, was the dog protecting its property ie owner or house, was the dog used in dog fights, was the dog poorly treated. There are lots of reasons why dogs attack and its a shame these are not looked at. A dog can't talk it can't tell you to get lost if you are winding it up or it doesn't feel well, so instinct is to bite. I don't think any breed of dog can be said to be more vicious than the other, yes genetics can come in to play but other factors do as well like how the dog has been socialised, any traumatic experiences growing up, unskilled use of aversive training (ie the macho owners are often at fault here), illness, or something happening in the dogs environment. What I find with most of this aggression is it is a one off incident, if a dog was truly aggressive it would be attacking people 24/7 but this is not the case so therefore it is some kind of trigger. I know when I had a seminar with Ian Dunbar he had done a bite scale which I found very useful for my clients, I will see if I can find it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Pom Queen Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Just looking for my dog bite chart but this is a very interesting document. So as I mentioned above it does seem 75% of dog attacks are on people under 20 with the main age group being ages 5-9years. https://www.ava.com.au/sites/default/files/AVA_website/pdfs/Dangerous%20dogs%20-%20a%20sensible%20solution%20FINAL.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Pom Queen Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 https://www.apdt.com/veterinary/assets/pdf/Ian%20Dunbar%20Dog%20Bite%20Scale.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveakaginge Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 A dog can't talk it can't tell you to get lost if you are winding it up or it doesn't feel well, so instinct is to bite. Very much this....................................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveakaginge Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 http://www.reshareworthy.com/20-facts-for-dog-lovers/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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