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The fact that cameron wants Scotland to say no,would be all the evidence i needed (if i was a Scot)to vote yes tbh

 

I was already erring in favour and that made my mind up!

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I was already erring in favour and that made my mind up!

 

I can see why! just worried it will leave us with a tory gvnmt for ever tbh,but thats being selfish


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I can see why! just worried it will leave us with a tory gvnmt for ever tbh,but thats being selfish

 

You're always welcome to migrate here :)

 

I must admit I did think surely it's in the tories benefit for Scotland to be independent so maybe Stacey is right - I'd had that thought too :)

 

Taken on face value to me it proves all the U-KOK campaign claims about oil ownership and sterling are shaky and London is running scared that they going to lose our money.

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The Better Together campaigners are saying that a vote for independence is a vote for separate economy/currency but the Independence camp argue that as far as the economy/currency is concerned we are better sharing.

 

Is it me or are they both contradicting themselves or making the opposite arguments you would expect them to make.

 

I am not sure how much difference any of it makes as all governments are in hock to big business anyway and have to dance to that tune. I would be slightly intrigued to see how socialist the SNP become if in power but being in England we don't hear a lot about the post-independence SNP policies. They are limiting their options surely if they tie themselves to the £. Surely they are better off with the Euro anyway or their own currency so that they can govern themselves.

 

If Scotland vote yes in September will they have early elections for a new government or do they keep their existing government?


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The Better Together campaigners are saying that a vote for independence is a vote for separate economy/currency but the Independence camp argue that as far as the economy/currency is concerned we are better sharing.

 

Is it me or are they both contradicting themselves or making the opposite arguments you would expect them to make.

 

I am not sure how much difference any of it makes as all governments are in hock to big business anyway and have to dance to that tune. I would be slightly intrigued to see how socialist the SNP become if in power but being in England we don't hear a lot about the post-independence SNP policies. They are limiting their options surely if they tie themselves to the £. Surely they are better off with the Euro anyway or their own currency so that they can govern themselves.

 

If Scotland vote yes in September will they have early elections for a new government or do they keep their existing government?

 

The Bank of England has already said that it could manage the shared use of GBP, and that would be institutionalised. Or, the GBP could be kept as the de facto currency, Scottish notes would continue to be printed, and the value pegged to the GBP - as the HK$ has to the US$, and many other currencies. Or, with insurance and banking coming into Scotland to take advantage of the improved financial market, we could have a Scottish pound revalued upwards - which would NOT be the desired outcome, really, because then exports fall and imports increase, making domestic economy less profitable.

 

The post-independence pathway has already been laid out in great detail in the document "Scotland's Future" which is freely available online. The fear-mongering "Better Together" campaign is not correct in stating that a vote for independence means a vote against currency sharing - that is merely the threat they are using to force people to vote no based on ignorance and fear. And that is a great tactic - it works well for those who are ignorant and afraid.


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I notice that the commitment to pensions appears to be the same as that for the UK. I wonder what it is that will determine who is a UK pensioner and who is a Scottish pensioner or in other words how they divvy up the contributions. Both for existing and future pensioners. And if policies on pensions, benefits, etc altered between the two in the future who would be Scottish and what would the eligibility tests be.


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I have just received a paper copy of 'Scotland's Future' available free to anyone who prefers reading an actual book to online - https://scotgov.theapsgroupinscotland.com

 

Sorry I can't answer the question on pensions but I might be able to after I have read it :)

 

I think the truth is there is a lot of detail that is not yet known to either side and as far as the rest of the UK is concerned we cannot assume nothing will change there - I believe the next government is likely to be a Labour government which changes the landscape entirely in terms of things like currency sharing. If it isn't then there will be a referendum on EU membership - if the rest of the UK was to leave the EU that would make a huge difference to what Scotland being independent would mean - does it mean UK people would no longer have rights to live and work in Europe but Scottish people would if Scotland were admitted into the EU? I would assume so therefore would Scottish people be able to live and work in England and vice versa? With one country in and one country out of the EU (whichever way around) border controls do become a real possibility.

 

Regardless of the independence vote don't forget the Scotland Act (2012) comes into effect in 2016 so the small differences in legislation now will start to grow.

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Let them provide for themselves and go it alone. They should also pay an entry visa when coming South so there will have to be a few check points and armed police to stop the illegals.

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Let them provide for themselves and go it alone. They should also pay an entry visa when coming South so there will have to be a few check points and armed police to stop the illegals.

 

And vice versa!!

 

half of England's population are illegals anyway so what difference would a few extra jocks make?!

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Let them provide for themselves and go it alone.

 

That's exactly what we want to do! Currently residents of Scotland (because we're not all Scot's!) contribute more per head of population to the United Kingdom than England and we have a diverse and sustainable economy, far less volatile than England's which is almost entirely dependent on financial markets.

 

Providing both countries remain in the EU then border controls are irrelevant, should that change (& I think it is more likely England leaves than Scotland is not admitted) then that would be different.

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That's exactly what we want to do! Currently residents of Scotland (because we're not all Scot's!) contribute more per head of population to the United Kingdom than England and we have a diverse and sustainable economy, far less volatile than England's which is almost entirely dependent on financial markets.

 

Providing both countries remain in the EU then border controls are irrelevant, should that change (& I think it is more likely England leaves than Scotland is not admitted) then that would be different.

 

.....and you get more back from the state, per head, so it evens itself up don't you think!


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There is a potential tsunami of political events in the near future

 

here is a scenario with the worst possible outcomes in terms of triggering another event

 

Sept 2014. Scottish referendum with a yes result

2015 general election in the UK, Labour wins because of the seats it wins in Scotland.

Mmarch 2016. Scotland becomes independent.

April 2016 high court action to change constitution so Scottish MP's can no longer vote as they don't represent anybody. Tories win high court action.

2016 no confidence vote. Tories win vote

2016 general election Tories win

2017 referendum in uk(Ecl Scotland) about continuing membership of EU

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.....and you get more back from the state, per head, so it evens itself up don't you think!

 

Do you have the source for that data? I would like to be able to compare.

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Do you have the source for that data? I would like to be able to compare.

 

Found it myself now...I'll come back when I'll done the sums :)

 

It was interesting to note that in terms of regions the highest public spending per head was in London.

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Found it myself now...I'll come back when I'll done the sums :)

 

It was interesting to note that in terms of regions the highest public spending per head was in London.

 

17 percent per head higher on average, across the whole of Scotland.....free prescriptions, free higher education, most English will be pleased to see you become independent, but all the pointers are, that you will be a busted flush if you do.


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17 percent per head higher on average, across the whole of Scotland.....free prescriptions, free higher education, most English will be pleased to see you become independent, but all the pointers are, that you will be a busted flush if you do.

 

Ah, the bitterness! :cool:

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Aww Daveakaginge I think you'll probably be stuck with us scroungers :wubclub:

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17 percent per head higher on average, across the whole of Scotland.....free prescriptions, free higher education, most English will be pleased to see you become independent, but all the pointers are, that you will be a busted flush if you do.

 

The free prescriptions, free higher ed thing used to bother my mil but I never understood it. Surely that is the point of devolution ? Ignoring any disparity in the size of the pot as no-one will agree on that, everyone gets their pot of money and can decide how to spend it. More left wing areas like Scotland might consider free education the biggest net benefit to society where more right wing areas might prefer extra funding for private schools/health or whatever.

 

If the Scottish choose to spend extra money from their pot on free prescriptions/education then obviously they will have to not spend as much as the english/welsh in another area ?

 

To me it just seems like Australian states where they each experiment with their own state laws and the ones that are most successful sometimes get copied by the others.

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mmm - share the fear Dave, never mind the identifiable prospects of real wealth. It is there to be done, but by all means stay afraid.


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Think this thread will run till September? God I hope not.

 

Hope not, between this and seeing Nicola and salmond face on tv everytime I turn it on it might just be too much for me

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