Dangerous dogs and barking dogs

[BritChickx 10,877]

I'm on about the uk

[Que Sera Sera 6,268]

[ATTACH=CONFIG]19618[/ATTACH] It's not the size or the breed but the way you bring them up. My boys both about 1 year old !

[Incata 751]

What is it with dogs in Australia?

 

We watched DJango the other night and there's a terrible scene where a guy gets torn up by a pack of dogs, so terrible that the cameras didn't show most of it. Then you hear that it actually happened just the other day to a guy in a park in Melbourne. He was so badly attacked, medics could see his heart through his ribs. The owner of the dogs may get a small fine and the dogs put down.

 

This isn't an isolated incident though, most people will have heard about the little girl mauled to death by dogs in Melbourne last year. When I started looking into dog attacks, I actually found there were more in NSW last year, than the whole of the UK!!

 

Before I continue, if you don't like the fact the I'm making references to the UK on a Poms in Oz forum and think I should therefore leave the country, please don't bother replying!

 

For those who have kids especially, this is very disturbing indeed. There are very good reason for these attacks;

 

1) a large proportion of dog owners, have dogs which are dangerous breeds or cross breeds. In the UK, it was generally low lifes who had this sort of dog, but in Australia, it seems most people have, but particularly tradies, which account for most people.

 

2) most dogs in Australia are not kept as part of the family, they are left outside in caged areas and are given very little attention. They are so wound up, that they bark at anything and everything, often all night. We live in a fairly decent area, but all 3 neighbours (both sides and behind) have Staffies/pit bull type dogs that are caged outside, bark all freakin' night and I've never seen any of them taken for a walk. On the rare occasion I see someone outside with their dangerous dogs, they are off the leash and often walking past kids in the park or on the beach. The owners seem to think it gives them some sort of power to walk a dangerous dog past kids that it could easily kill in a moment.

 

It's no wonder then that when these dogs escape from their cages, they attack and tear to bits the first living thing they come across whether it's an adult, child or another animal.

 

Yet no matter how much this happens and how incredibly high the number of attacks is there are very few rules and very little punishment if you dog eats a child alive and very little is done about it. I just find it unbelievable, that this sort of thing is generally ignored, when it does happen the owner always says it's completely out of character for the dog and was completely unprovoked, yet people still maintain that their dogs would never hurt anyone!!

 

Why there isn't more control over these animals, I'll never know. The authorities really need to sort out their priorities, rather than fining people for things like driving with their elbow stuck out of the car window!

 

 

One of my friends has a couple of pit bull x staffies and it worries me terribly. We went there once and the male dog (not neutered) was merrily attacking the female dog and all she did was pull her kids inside and said she would leave them to sort it out themselves. She said that she believes it is the owners that make a bad dog, not the dogs themselves but I spent most of the time there trying to keep my kids away from them. I felt awful as I have been bringing up my children not to be afraid of dogs but to be respectful of their space and to watch for the signs that they don't want to be approached/played with etc and yet I was keeping them away for their own safety. The little one now seems to think all dogs are bad, when they aren't but you are right about the high number of people who own these dangerous breeds and have no control over them. It is the single thing that really worries me about living in Perth.

[Incata 751]

Jack Russell's are very nippy,have met a few nasty ones.

 

They were originally bred to be cattle herders, not pets and should not be kept in a house with young children (IMHO) as they do nip. My husband still has the scars on his face from one that went for him when he was 18 and working on a farm.

[Guest Guest66881]

The Parson Russell Terrier is a breed of small white terrier that originates from the Fox Terriers of the 18th century. The breed is named after the person credited with the creation of this type of dog, the Reverend John "Jack" Russell. It is the recognised conformation show variety of the Jack Russell Terrier and was first recognised in 1990 in the United Kingdom as the Parson Jack Russell Terrier. In America, it was first recognised as the Jack Russell Terrier in 1997. The name was changed to its current form in 1999 in the UK and by 2008 all international kennel clubs recognised it under the new name.

A mostly white breed with either a smooth or broken coat, it conforms to a narrower range of sizes than the Jack Russell. It is a feisty, energetic terrier, suited to sports and able to get along with children and other animals. It has a range of breed related health issues, mainly relating to eye disorders.

 

And i might add a very very good breed to have around children as is the staffie.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parson_Russell_Terrier

[Jacaranda 1,352]

!When I first got married to my aussie OH(now divorced)we decided to buy a staffie pup.I had rang numerous dog show judges for recommendations of breeds that were known to be really good with kids.So all the of the judges suggested Staffies.Now I owned that dog for 5 years before I split with my ex.My Ex used to argue that it was just a dog and should be kept outside,come rain or shine.It never was.It stayed inside as much as it wanted to and was made to feel part of the family,which IMHO is the main reason people get dogs right?Our dog was as soft as anything,very loving and kind and I could'nt of wished for a better dog actually.When we left it broke my heart to leave my dog,but we were coming to live in the UK and I could'nt afford to bring him with us.Later I found out my ex OH had built a wire run for our dog,stuck a kennel inside the run and thats where he lived for the rest of his days.If things could'nt get worse,they did.He was bitten by a bown snake that had come into his run,and thats where our dog died!:cry:A few years ago,my cousins next door neighbours were the neighbours from hell.Chavs with a staffie!Nice mix!She used to hear the guy literally beating his dog and yelling at it on a regular basis.After a couple of years,the dog was then placed in a dogs home because.......he had bitten the owner!I wonder why?????????? Makes my blood boil!I have in my days encountered lots of dog owners walking their dogs off the lead.Now I love dogs but how do these owners know for example that I might actually be terrifed of dogs?I may even of been a victim of a horrible dog attack in the past,but nonetheless,it does'nt bother them when their dog comes bounding towards me.They usually yell something like "Oh its ok,he does'nt bite"which is fine,but jeez,if like I said I was terrified of dogs and I started screaming,can they honestly guarantee the dogs not going to go for me????Owners please.......YOU know your dog,strangers don't!Its wrong to assume everyone is going to be happy with a strange dog running towards them!

Edited May 31, 2013 by Jacaranda

[HLSvictory 226]

Labs, Jack Russell etc might bite, but you've got more chance of getting the buggers off if they do! The dangerous breeds are bred for fighting - their jaws are powerful and they wont let go! Hence why these type kill - when they do attack. I wouldn't own a dog which was originally bred for fighting - you just don't know if something's going to snap in its head and revert to instinct. Our little terrier used to roll around on top of it's toys - found out that's what it's bred for - killing rats and they roll on them!! Never been taught, but it's in there somewhere!

[Guest51810 11,261]

The whole instinct thing - i really do think it just depends on the dog rather than breed. My mum had a dog who was supposed to be one of those ratter type dogs but had absolutely no interest in anything like that, he would more likely run away from something! Eric is the same - they say staffies have a high prey drive but he has no interest in any animals. You could sit a basket of bunnies beside him and he wouldnt blink twice. He used to love our hamster when we had her. Lucys completely different - shes got much more of a typical prey drive - wants to chase rabbits when she sees them. Chalk and cheese

[Guest51810 11,261]

I agree though about the jaws being stronger and thats what does the damage if the dog does attack

[HLSvictory 226]

The whole instinct thing - i really do think it just depends on the dog rather than breed. My mum had a dog who was supposed to be one of those ratter type dogs but had absolutely no interest in anything like that, he would more likely run away from something! Eric is the same - they say staffies have a high prey drive but he has no interest in any animals. You could sit a basket of bunnies beside him and he wouldnt blink twice. He used to love our hamster when we had her. Lucys completely different - shes got much more of a typical prey drive - wants to chase rabbits when she sees them. Chalk and cheese

 

That's the thing though. Our dog didn't chase anything living and got in with the rabbit once and just sat there (a pen - not a hutch!). But, you only have to look at certain behaviours - the rolling on the toys thing (killing) and circling round and round before lying down (I believe that stems down from when dogs were wild, having to tramp down the grass or whatever they were sleeping on). I'm not an expert though, but certain traits linger on for sure. Most dogs now are bred to look or act a certain way because of the way we have wanted them (ie for retrieving, hunting etc).

[Perthbum 5,725]

I have found springer spaniels to be the less aggressive dogs I have known alongside labs and greyhounds.

[HLSvictory 226]

According to the vets where I work - springer spaniels are their choice of pet for families (if you're going to have one). They are the most predictable (but with most things, there will be exceptions).

[Guest51810 11,261]

Greyhounds and lurchers are lovely, I have never ever met a nasty one

[Toolbox 1,523]

I think the biggest problem these days is that in many cases the one on the end of the lead is far more intelligent than the one holding it.

[Johndoe 13,043]

I have found springer spaniels to be the less aggressive dogs I have known alongside labs and greyhounds.

 

You seem to have had a lot of dogs? What did you do with them when you were visiting all those countries and all the times that you were in India?

[The Pom Queen 5,788]

Having worked with dogs most of my life, trained security dogs, owned and bred dogs Rotties and Shepherds I can tell you now it is NOT one particular breed. It boils down to how they are raised.

I suggest anyone who thinks different to read the 2011 NCRC Report. In America there are over 70 million dogs. In 2011 there were 31 dog bite fatalities. Now read the reports for each of them and tell me is it the owner or the full breed that should get penalised.

 

http://nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/uploaded_files/tinymce/2011%20Final%20Investigative%20DBRF%20Report.pdf

[Guest Guest66881]

You seem to have had a lot of dogs? What did you do with them when you were visiting all those countries and all the times that you were in India?

 

 

Him having a super duper fast internet connection enables him to search and become our font of all knowledge here at PIO:laugh:

[MrsLZB 84]

We have a Boxer dog and he is a complete softie. However on his first birthday, poor boy, he was attacked by a staffie, here in Perth. The woman who owned the staffie, kept him in the car with the windows down and used him for protection because she was a drug runner. She stupidly told the ranger who came to my aid, that she had been "delivering McDonalds".... What a pratt. Anyway, my point is, I agree it's a lot to do with how the dog is treated and trained. I like to think we have done a good job with our boxer, but I will never trust him around my baby or anyone else's children. At the end of the day he is an animal.

[Guest Guest66881]

All any dog wants to do is be part of a pack and be told what to do, dominance is a factor with some dogs that go crazy, but it does stem from how they are treated as pups and how they are left to interact with humans.

[dmjg 4,061]

My parents bred Rottweilers and they were lovely to the family and any people around. We had the bitch from a pup, but the dog was an adult when we got him.

 

They were big, trained dogs.

 

When the bitch had welped, only the family went near her or handled the pups. She would have ripped anyone else apart, just like any mother would if someone tried to grab one of her babies.

 

As too, either would have ripped someone apart if they had tried to grab any of the family. I would do the same if someone tried to grab my kids.

 

We never took the risk when visitors came or when we were out. They were on a lead and restrained. There were big fences at home to hold them in.

 

Its all about being responsible owners.

 

Any of the family could try to rip the head off the bitch and would would have continued to lick us, we were never quite sure about the dog as we had gotten him as an adult.

 

On day my 2 year old brother picked up a screw driver and before anyone could stop him, plunged it into the poor dog. The dog jumped up snarled and we thought was going to attack the toddler, the dog saw who it was, gave him a dirty look and walked to the other side of the backyard to lick his wound. When the toddler grabbed the screwdriver again and walked towards the dog with a glint in his eye, the dog got up and circled away before the screwdriver was retrieved again.

 

​We never worried about either again

[Que Sera Sera 6,268]

Oh my goodness I'd be more worried about your Brother what 2 year old does that?

[dmjg 4,061]

Oh my goodness I'd be more worried about your Brother what 2 year old does that?

 

Luckily it was only a screwdriver, I think my father and I had been ripping all the cladding off the house by jamming chisels under the boards; maybe he was trying to help? My two year old will always try to grab my tools and copy what I do. Mind you, how he confused a dog and a wall I have no idea.

[simmo 21,953]

Who would want one of these?  What do people get out of owning a dog that could rip a child or small adult to shreds in seconds?

If it were up to me i would make any potential owners get it a cage and fight one. If they can't beat it then they couldn't control it. I'd do that for all potentially dangerous dogs.  And don't give me the "jack Russell can be nippy" rubbish. A human can grab a jack Russell by the scruff of its neck and throw it . If you can't do that then your argument is nonsense.

[Parley 7,921]

These dogs should be banned and breeding banned until they are extinct.

There is no place for a dog like this.

[HappyHeart 14,377]

11 hours ago, Parley said:

These dogs should be banned and breeding banned until they are extinct.

There is no place for a dog like this.

Certainly not in the suburbs living with an average family with kids. Lethal weapons in irresponsible hands.