The Fisheys Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 Stop in Singapore and get world class treatment there. Just don't expect our taxpayers to pick up the tab when it goes pear shaped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foo Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 @Galahad - I'm not able to send PMs (perhaps I haven't posted enough times yet). Could you PM me with the recommendation, or post it in the forum? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chris955 Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 Just don't expect our taxpayers to pick up the tab when it goes pear shaped. Why should it go pear shaped, they arent 3rd World ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmaclec Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 I see people complaining about how much tradesmen charge/get paid too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chris955 Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 I see people complaining about how much tradesmen charge/get paid too. And not just Brits doing the complaining Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fisheys Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 Why should it go pear shaped, they arent 3rd World ? Caveat emptor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chris955 Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 Caveat emptor. Well yes as is the case with anything anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellers and Whitehead Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 True if you place no value on the time you need to take off work, as a job that may take one or two visits in a private practice will take several hours worth of your (valuable) time at any teaching hospital.Please spare me the insult of personal anecdotes, I trained at a UK Dental Hospital, and over 20 years have referred hundreds of patients for Specialist Treatments, so I do know what I am talking about in terms of time spent hanging around!I initially wondered why you took such an offence to a helpful comment, reading the thread again and again i'm not sure why you took personal offence by B's comment as it wasn't directed at you but to the OP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy1 Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 There is no cartel, it's called a free market, and probably the same reason you came here as well.Dental Treatment in the UK is underpaid, and dentists are undervalued, which is why they get on a plane, and get off. Why is it if I was a joiner, a brickie, a TV repairman, everyone would praise me for moving to a country where I am respected, and well paid, but because I am a dentist I am forced to read these types of remarks? UK trained doctors and dentists no longer feel they "owe" the UK taxpayers / ratepayers for their education, as New Labour brought in tuition fees. Chip, shoulder? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fisheys Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 (edited) I initially wondered why you took such an offence to a helpful comment, reading the thread again and again i'm not sure why you took personal offence by B's comment as it wasn't directed at you but to the OP. Sorry, I didn't take any personal offence. The problem with seeking care at a Dental School is it is generally only available to people in certain groups, healthcare card holders, centre link benefit recipients, etc. Also, it does take a lot more time than in a private practice. Look, there is a problem with dental services both in the UK, and Australia. The system here is however better, and whilst it is dearer than in the UK, NHS Dental Treatment treatment is really rationed in the UK following the ludicrous contract brought in in 2006. Whilst it is dearer here, in the overall context of life, and bills, it is actually irrelevant. I will do a bigger post tomorrow to try to explain. I never take any offence at anything, anyone ever says. Edited May 6, 2013 by The Fisheys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galahad Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 Hi Foo, I've tried to reply but getting the response that your settings don't allow PMs..... Can you check your settings ? Or contact an administrator..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chris955 Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 When you say rationed what do you mean exactly ? I am currently getting mine sorted and the only thing I cant have is an implant which will be £1200 privately. Everything else I can have and will all be capped at just over £200. Its not really irrelevant if you are told you need $5-10,000 worth of treatment. Sorry, I didn't take any personal offence.The problem with seeking care at a Dental School is it is generally only available to people in certain groups, healthcare card holders, centre link benefit recipients, etc. Also, it does take a lot more time than in a private practice. Look, there is a problem with dental services both in the UK, and Australia. The system here is however better, and whilst it is dearer than in the UK, NHS Dental Treatment treatment is really rationed in the UK following the ludicrous contract brought in in 2006. Whilst it is dearer here, in the overall context of life, and bills, it is actually irrelevant. I will do a bigger post tomorrow to try to explain. I never take any offence at anything, anyone ever says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ptp113 Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 Sorry, I didn't take any personal offence.The problem with seeking care at a Dental School is it is generally only available to people in certain groups, healthcare card holders, centre link benefit recipients, etc. Also, it does take a lot more time than in a private practice. Look, there is a problem with dental services both in the UK, and Australia. The system here is however better, and whilst it is dearer than in the UK, NHS Dental Treatment treatment is really rationed in the UK following the ludicrous contract brought in in 2006. Whilst it is dearer here, in the overall context of life, and bills, it is actually irrelevant. I will do a bigger post tomorrow to try to explain. I never take any offence at anything, anyone ever says. I'm liking your posts more every day. A refreshing change sir/ma'am Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest74886 Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 Dentist fees are hideous and you'll find they all charge the same as they operate a cartel in Australia. Ask what the treatment will cost before you get have anything done so that you are prepared for the shock. Not such a cartel as might be expected, once you get a quote for what one dentist says you need don't agree thare and then, say you'll think about it and ring around and get quotes, it's just like getting building work done, my OH got a quote of 3.5k down to 2.4k and then when she went to the lowest bidder she suggested alternative approach which got it down to 1.8k. We had health insurance which picked up 800 of the bill so saved finally 2.5k if including ins payout. Our health insurance covers clean and check up twice yearlyas dentists know max that the insurance companies will pay and just keep within that. As regards if you have no insurance, then the position here if you are poor and cannot pay is much worse than the UK as waiting times for treatment runs to years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest74886 Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 There is no cartel, it's called a free market, and probably the same reason you came here as well.Dental Treatment in the UK is underpaid, and dentists are undervalued, which is why they get on a plane, and get off. Why is it if I was a joiner, a brickie, a TV repairman, everyone would praise me for moving to a country where I am respected, and well paid, but because I am a dentist I am forced to read these types of remarks? UK trained doctors and dentists no longer feel they "owe" the UK taxpayers / ratepayers for their education, as New Labour brought in tuition fees. Yes, but do the tuition fees cover the full cost of the training and the infrastructure that provides that training, the increased earning power that being a qualified dentist confers is quite significant. Does paying those tuition fees really justify an attitude that is very prevalent amongst the medical professions here, and increasingly in the UK, of I've paid for my qualification and now its jolly well going to have to work for me and make me rich. Is that the new rationale for becoming a medical professional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Shoes Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 I initially wondered why you took such an offence to a helpful comment, reading the thread again and again i'm not sure why you took personal offence by B's comment as it wasn't directed at you but to the OP. Who's B ??? Maybe because Fisheys is a dentist he has first hand experience, and thought his first hand experience might be more help to the OP than guesses .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Shoes Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 Chip, shoulder? :err: maybe the poster is sick reading posts / threads slagging off his profession, I think it would get to me eventually, if my profession were referred to as rip off merchants at the drop of a hat :dull: it's boring ... very boring .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenon4017 Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 Is there a dentist in the house? The reason I ask is because my wife has received what I would regard as substandard treatment. (Extraction of the incorrect tooth). And I wondered what's the correct process to get redress, or even if there exists a process. Or do you just sue. Needless to say we've contacted the dentist concerned, but we're getting stonewalled. I don't really want to engage an ambulance chaser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest16631 Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 Is there a dentist in the house? The reason I ask is because my wife has received what I would regard as substandard treatment. (Extraction of the incorrect tooth). And I wondered what's the correct process to get redress, or even if there exists a process. Or do you just sue. Needless to say we've contacted the dentist concerned, but we're getting stonewalled. I don't really want to engage an ambulance chaser. ..........sorry to hear that....... ..........these would help.........http://transition.accc.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/288899/fromItemId/815972/whichType/org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest16631 Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 ........I do wonder at so many complaining of costs........ ........many dentists here will do a plan if you need lots of work done....... .......spreading your care and costs over a few months......... ........we spend so much on consumer goods....... ........I do feel that care of our teeth is important and a skilled job....... ........it's the gateway to our digestive system and as a Heath care professional.. .......a dentist is so much more than a hole filler and tooth puller....... ......a good dentist .............can maintain and improve our overall health......... .......just by keeping our mouths healthy......... ........well worth finding one you can connect with........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fisheys Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 Yes, but do the tuition fees cover the full cost of the training and the infrastructure that provides that training, the increased earning power that being a qualified dentist confers is quite significant. Does paying those tuition fees really justify an attitude that is very prevalent amongst the medical professions here, and increasingly in the UK, of I've paid for my qualification and now its jolly well going to have to work for me and make me rich. Is that the new rationale for becoming a medical professional. I am certain you are far too intelligent to actually believe your last two sentences. 5 years tuition fees works out to the best end of £45,000, and given that a medical course is full time as an undergraduate, not 30 weeks a year, there is no prospect of a job at Tescos, McDonalds, etc., etc. to reduce the liability, so it is reasonable to assume most Doctors will qualify with indebtedness of at least £70,000, some even more so. That has to be paid back, and will take a long time at levels of pay the NHS offer, so I look forward to your calculations to show just how long an NHS Doctor would have to work to repay his or her student debt, and why they should have to prolong their period of indebtedness, to work in a system that fails to appreciate them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicolac34 Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 I've just had my first trip to the dentist in around 3 years here in Perth, and to be honest I didn't think it was as bad as I was fearing! Bill for a consultation, x-rays, scales and polish and some flouride treatment came to $240 - and I only had to pay $72 of that as medibank covered the rest (and I haven't had the policy a year). According to them I need 2 fillings and a wisdom tooth removed. Quote for the two fillings (white ones) comes in at $295 of which medibank will pick up 70% of that, so from what I was paying in the UK I think its comparable. Don't know what the wisdom tooth is going to set me back yet, but will wait until it bothers me for that one as the idea of it being taken our terrifys me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JK2510 Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 We have HBF and like Nicola hadnt been to the dentist since arriving in oz...needed a tooth out,X-rays,scale and clean etc...also antibiotics and the only fee I paid was $15ish for the medication because of the gap saver I had. On a similar note...have just brought 2 new pairs of prescription sunglasses...once again dreading the cost but I paid nothing because of the gap saver. So I believe health insurance(extras) is well worth it. Some companies to waive the wait periods for certain treatments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JK2510 Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 I've just had my first trip to the dentist in around 3 years here in Perth, and to be honest I didn't think it was as bad as I was fearing! Bill for a consultation, x-rays, scales and polish and some flouride treatment came to $240 - and I only had to pay $72 of that as medibank covered the rest (and I haven't had the policy a year). According to them I need 2 fillings and a wisdom tooth removed. Quote for the two fillings (white ones) comes in at $295 of which medibank will pick up 70% of that, so from what I was paying in the UK I think its comparable. Don't know what the wisdom tooth is going to set me back yet, but will wait until it bothers me for that one as the idea of it being taken our terrifys me! Wisdom tooth extraction costs can vary depending on difficulty on the extraction. Mine wasn't easy as the root had a lovely curve,was well dosed up via injection,my whole mouth was numb as it required quite a few injections!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicolac34 Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 Wisdom tooth extraction costs can vary depending on difficulty on the extraction. Mine wasn't easy as the root had a lovely curve,was well dosed up via injection,my whole mouth was numb as it required quite a few injections!! Sounds horrific!! Mine is at the top and the reason it needs to come out is because it's rotting because it's in such a difficult location to be able to brush it and keep it clean.... so doesn't sound easy to get out! I hate injections at the dentist - once refused to have one and made the dentist do a filling without any anesthetic!! He wasn't impressed as it took twice as long because he kept having to stop and start because I was in pain. Most people I know (of which there are a few here - most people seem to get their wisdom teeth whipped out!) have been put under local anesthetic to have them taken out, so might go down that route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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