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Hi everyone new to this site so bear with me! Got offered sponsorship on 457 visa in Brisbane and initially thought great opportunity but I think things are slowing down a bit over there, maybe I'm wrong.. I just want to know the security of that particular visa, do you sign a contract or if work dries up where are you then? I'm in the construction industry.. I have a partner and two kids coming out with me also.. We just see this as an opportunity in life and are afraid to turn it down but it all has to stack up financially of course.. See, we're ok financially here and we've a low mortgage so we're basically shittin' it to be honest with the high rents over there and spending any savings we have to get set up over there.. we know we have to do all this but we wouldn't care if we knew there was 80% chance of it working out but we feel it's 50/50.. maybe it's the jitters :arghh:anyone with any advice would be greatly appreciated!

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There's is some info on here if you haven't seen it already - http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/skilled-workers/sbs/

But I would see about contacting an Immigration advisor who can look at your circumstances and advise you accordingly. Personally, i'd say go for it, Oz is an amazing place especially for a family! But it is expensive and best you know and are fully prepared for what to expect before you make your decision. There's no shame in trying it and if it doesn't work out, you can always return. Good luck!


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Can you rent your place out while you're in Australia?Rather than burn all your bridges,it might be a good idea if you can afford to go over without selling?


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Short answer - if it all goes pear shaped then you have 28 days to leave the country or find a new sponsor. If you have secure and continuing work where you are then it would be a little foolhardy to chuck that in. If you are jobless and this is a job then it might be best to go for it. It would be a nice adventure of ourselves but there is nothing magical about Aus, it's just another first world country with similar benefits and problems

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I think it'd be worth doing some research about the area you are likely to be working and living in to help you decide if it is for you, if it is a sponsorship you have been offered then you are likely to get work and the 457 is a long stay visa. I think your concerns about moving to Oz are shared by many others who are considering making the move. It's a common fact of life that nobody likes change but sometimes you have to take a risk and it could change your life in ways you never imagined. I personally think Australia has a lot to offer families but everyone's experience is different (you'll find many varying opinions on this forum!)

I definately think speaking to an immigration advisor is your best bet as they will be able to give you a better idea of the options available to you in the area you are looking at and then you can decide for yourself but i'm sure there are many families on here that have made the move who you can speak to for advice.


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I've learnt that you can tell a lot about a person by the way they handle three things... A rainy day, Lost luggage and Tangled Christmas Tree lights!

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Hi Gerard

 

Welcome to PIO

 

Like Quoll says, the risk with the 457 is that if things go wrong with the employer, you have 28 days to find a new sponsor or to leave Oz.

 

Would you be eligible for Permanent Residency anyway? I would investigate that route, either through the 189 independent or the 190 state sponsored or the 489 regional visa. Obviously it will depend on what your actual occupation is and whether its on one of the lists and may depend on your qualifications and work experience. If you post your actual occupation you will be able to get more information.

 

The alternative is that your employer sponsored you for PR but again there are no definites for this and it's a long way to go to find out otherwise.

 

The 457 can certainly get you to Oz quicker than a lot of visas but it doesn't come with any security as its not a guaranteed way to PR.

 

Best of luck, but I would look into alternatives also, you could apply for PR whilst you are on the 457 if you meet the criteria.

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If you have a good life in Ireland, Why move to Oz ?

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Hi everyone new to this site so bear with me! Got offered sponsorship on 457 visa in Brisbane and initially thought great opportunity but I think things are slowing down a bit over there, maybe I'm wrong.. I just want to know the security of that particular visa, do you sign a contract or if work dries up where are you then? I'm in the construction industry.. I have a partner and two kids coming out with me also.. We just see this as an opportunity in life and are afraid to turn it down but it all has to stack up financially of course.. See, we're ok financially here and we've a low mortgage so we're basically shittin' it to be honest with the high rents over there and spending any savings we have to get set up over there.. we know we have to do all this but we wouldn't care if we knew there was 80% chance of it working out but we feel it's 50/50.. maybe it's the jitters :arghh:anyone with any advice would be greatly appreciated!

 

To the point in red, there is no security with this visa. If work dries up and you can't find another sponsor then you will need to leave the country. Unless you get a good relocation package, you will be spending money on getting set up and possibly you could be spending money on coming back as well, the employer only needs to pay for flights back.

 

I am not suggesting that you should not do it, I am commenting on specific concerns you have raised, in that I think they are justified concerns. I moved on a permanent visa, spent a lot of money moving over and getting set up and have slightly less disposable income because of high rents in Sydney. But I accepted that as a price to pay for this opportunity. If I were to chose the option that made most financial sense, then I would have stayed put.

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Thanks all for your comments! We were originally going for state sponsorship and TRA is sent off since February but we got the offer of employer sponsorship so this way is quicker.. it was kinda on our terms and it would of given us more time to rent house, sell cars etc.. if going on the state sponsorship.. also we have a school going 5 year old who has autism so if anyone who has made the move with a child with autism I'd love to hear your views! I know the medicals are harder to get (something I only found out recently) with an autistic child but with the 457 visa is it as strict?

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Thanks all for your comments! We were originally going for state sponsorship and TRA is sent off since February but we got the offer of employer sponsorship so this way is quicker.. it was kinda on our terms and it would of given us more time to rent house, sell cars etc.. if going on the state sponsorship.. also we have a school going 5 year old who has autism so if anyone who has made the move with a child with autism I'd love to hear your views! I know the medicals are harder to get (something I only found out recently) with an autistic child but with the 457 visa is it as strict?

 

Choose the visa that suits you better. Quickest visa is not the best visa. Do you want to move permanently or temporary? Yes the medical will be quicker with a 457, but you will still need to take and pass the medical for the permanent visa if you ever decide to apply for that.

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Personally I would not uproot my family with children to come out to Australia on a employer sponsored visa.

Since we have arrived out we know of 4 people that we let go and the panic and struggle the went through to find another employer in 28 days was awful. One didn't and is back home now....plus they didn't have kids. You just have ABSOLUTELY NO SECURITY with a 457.

We are on a 176 and thank god we are. Some employers know they have you over a barrel and screw you accordingly.

Can you see about another visa option. I personally would find it too much of a risk esp when you are finding things at home grand.

In terms of medicals, I've read of people who have children with autism and they got their 175s so I don't think that would worry me too much.

 

 

All the best with your decision, its a tough one x


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You do need to be very careful about 457 visas. Particularly if you have a family. As ACK has pointed out, I also know several people recently - including some of my own staff who i had to let go, that have had to leave the country.

From your post, i also think you need to establish why you are thinking of moving to Oz if life is pretty good there

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Good article here, just do the google trick - ie post the url in google news

 

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/hold-on-tight-our-economy-is-heading-for-the-biggest-of-falls/story-e6frg74x-1226630292612

 

You do need to be very careful about 457 visas. Particularly if you have a family. As ACK has pointed out, I also know several people recently - including some of my own staff who i had to let go, that have had to leave the country.

From your post, i also think you need to establish why you are thinking of moving to Oz if life is pretty good there


Nearly there! Don't drop the ball now guys! Vaccines are weeks away. Stay safe!

 

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If you have a good life in Ireland, Why move to Oz ?

 

You must be joking!!

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Re your child with autism - that could be a problem TBH. If I were you I'd talk to an agent who specialises in medical issues. Even if you get a 457 you could be faced with living in that temporary uncertainty forever because if your child fails the medical if you do eventually go for permanency you will have to leave - or remain temporary I guess. There are other potential issues too - it is not clear (and the states differ) whether you would have to pay for any additional education support as a temp resident. The usual catch 22 is that if a condition is serious enough to warrant support in education then it will be enough to stop you getting PR. so if your child is in mainstream with no support it should be ok but if s/he is in special school or getting a good slab of support time in mainstream then you are likely to have a knock back. George Lombard and Peter Bollard are the agents generally recommended in this regard. On the school front, too, you might find services to support your child are less generous than you are used to.

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