Thatcher Dead

[MARYROSE02]

You have a very dim view of human nature, if you think the over riding principle to living a happy and successful life is through greed and manipulation then.

Scargill reminded me of Thatcher come to think of it. Stubbon, egotisic, full of own importance,power driven..well you get the picture.While he done damage to his union, Thatcher on the other hand inflicted her ideology on an entire nation.

 

Has there ever been anybody more greedy and more manipulative than a socialist leader? Pick your socialist country.

 

Ultimately, history is always written by the winners, & Thatcher was sure as Hell not a loser.

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Has there ever been anybody more greedy and more manipulative than a socialist leader? Pick your socialist country.

 

Ultimately, history is always written by the winners, & Thatcher was sure as Hell not a loser.

 

Have you never heard of social democracy? Those countries tend to be far more successful than UK. Thatcher not a loser? She over stayed her welcome and was turfed out onto the street.

Towards the end she didn't only bring disharmony to the nation but to the Tory party itself. Rather white washed by that party today though, in the hope off getting a bit of a much needed leg up on the purification of her time in office.

[Obi Wan Kenobi]

If you want to quote me at least get it right. At no point in any post did I laud Scagill as being dignified nor decent. A rather silly comment to make,especially after critique on Scargill was made on one of the threads going on this forum.

 

Still don't let the facts get in the way. As the admirers of Thatcher continued to rehash the same old trite and as the powers that be in the media fall into line, only fair the truth should be revealed to counter the attempted white wash of history from the times even if offensive to the right. No ulsers on my part I can assure you.

 

If you actually read what I said I said "to the person who said about Scargill" so before you get onto your soapbox get the facts right and you will save yourself heartburn. At no point did I say it was you I just couldn't find the person's name at the time. When I was at school a teacher told my parents that "if I read the question properly before attempting an answer I'd do a hell of a lot better!"

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If you actually read what I said I said "to the person who said about Scargill" so before you get onto your soapbox get the facts right and you will save yourself heartburn. At no point did I say it was you I just couldn't find the person's name at the time. When I was at school a teacher told my parents that "if I read the question properly before attempting an answer I'd do a hell of a lot better!"

 

You sound a bit of a chalky yourself. Anyways not to worry not a soap box in sight. Glad that it's cleared.

[Obi Wan Kenobi]

Ah, a voice from the rabid right speaking on behalf of the masses again. Brainwashed and ever so deluded. Sadly all too typical of that side of politics. WE know what is best for you,take your medicine and keep it shut. Shame the games been sussed and many are thinking perhaps there's more to life than greed.

 

Actually just a quote from a book that sums up human nature in my view. Power corrupts all who end up wielding it eventually, whichever political belief system they have; and whether you like to admit it or not there are classes that have always existed and will always exist. This "everyone is equal" just doesn't exist even if in principal it should.

 

You could argue that it is the fact that the "old class system" has broken down and has been replaced by the "I am equal and want it now whether I deserve it or can afford it" of today is a major problem in society theses days. After all it leaves no one with any aspirations to better themselves as was always the case throughout history. Once those aspirations are removed what motivation / inspiration does anyone of any class have to make a success of their life and actually provide a positive to society.

Again this is not to provoke anyone into an argument, just to provide some insight into what the other side of the coin maybe in other people's minds. Just because your beliefs are not the same as theirs it doesn't mean anyone has to resort to insults / vitriol in response (which quite a few on the forums have recently.)

[MARYROSE02]

Have you never heard of social democracy? Those countries tend to be far more successful than UK. Thatcher not a loser? She over stayed her welcome and was turfed out onto the street.

Towards the end she didn't only bring disharmony to the nation but to the Tory party itself. Rather white washed by that party today though, in the hope off getting a bit of a much needed leg up on the purification of her time in office.

 

"Social democracy?" Of course I have heard of it. Countries like Germany are the finest exponents of it - where captalists and unions work WITH each other not AGAINST each other, where true social DEMOCRATS realize the only way they can win power is to ditch the 'melons' (green on the outside) & the obsolescent politics of the class war, &:appeal to the middle ground. Hawke realized it and so did Blair. Perhaps Miliband will too. Gillard certainly has not but then again she won power in a coup not an election. How very SOCIALIST of her too.

[The Fisheys]

"Socialism" is as relevant to modern society as the USSR & National "Socialism." Socialism is alien to human nature. Look at Arthur Scargill for example. Did he join his "people" in the strike? Did he go without his (very) generous salary? He has always seemed to enjoy the good things in life to me. Although he is going to end his life bitter and twisted andchated by almost everybody. I can remember seeing him on "Question Time."

 

 

I am no fan of Arthur Scargills politics. He only ever drew strike pay when his members were on strike. I too saw him on Question Time with William Waldegrave (remember him), the final question that night was "how will history regard Arthur Scargill?) The measure of the man is in the question. He is still held in high regard in the communities he used to represent, and remember, Neil Kinnock refused to condemn the miners strike until several months after Mrs T had defeated them.

Just remember Scargill never took the New Labour shilling, remained consistent and constant in his views, and just because I disagree with his politics, does not mean I cannot admire the man.

He is still held in high regard in the communities he used to represent, obviously, the muesli munching Guardianistas have no further use for him, so they have dropped him. But if he was speaking in one hall, and Blair in another at this years Labour conference, which one would be fuller?

[bunbury61]

I am no fan of Arthur Scargills politics. He only ever drew strike pay when his members were on strike. I too saw him on Question Time with William Waldegrave (remember him), the final question that night was "how will history regard Arthur Scargill?) The measure of the man is in the question. He is still held in high regard in the communities he used to represent, and remember, Neil Kinnock refused to condemn the miners strike until several months after Mrs T had defeated them.

Just remember Scargill never took the New Labour shilling, remained consistent and constant in his views, and just because I disagree with his politics, does not mean I cannot admire the man.

He is still held in high regard in the communities he used to represent, obviously, the muesli munching Guardianistas have no further use for him, so they have dropped him. But if he was speaking in one hall, and Blair in another at this years Labour conference, which one would be fuller?

 

Fair comment fisheys ......he was a man of conviction .......but he fell into the trap ,by not making the strike legal .....thus dividing Notts and Yorks ........he called it on , and lost .

i remember collecting for the miners at the local tescos ......i have no issue with my own working people . only the people that lead them