mkny Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 Dear all, I have the following overlapping of my postgraduate studies (A) and my work experience (B): (A) 01/Jul/2003 - 09/Oct/2006 : Full-time postgraduate studies with obtaining a Ph.D. degree (ACS has recognized it as AQF Doctorate in Computing). During the course I attended some lectures, prepared five scientific articles, did some teaching and worked on my Ph.D. thesis. It all was possible because I had flexible hours schema during my described in (B) employment. (B) 01/Feb/2005 - 22/Feb/2007: Position of Software Engineer (worked in St. Petersburg, Russia for Sun Microsystems, full-time - confirmed by ACS): I really worked 40 hours per week – my manager confirms it in appropriate reference letter. In respect with the above, I have a concern that DIAC, although I was working at Sun Microsystems after receiving my Bachelor degree (recognized by ACS) will NOT count either my Doctorate or my experience at Sun because: a) Some people on forums wrote that any work experience can be taken into account by DIAC only after receiving the applicant's _highest_ degree, i.e. Doctorate I my case; b) The two full-time activities, I mean (A) and (B), took place in parallel for some time, and it causes me to worry. So, today, I have 70 points with my experience at Sun and 65 ones without it. What would you suggest? - Declare for DIAC my experience at Sun as relevant or not relevant? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest76088 Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 I am no migration expert, but I would be surprised if you can double-count the overlap if you were full-time student and full-time working. It seems you did a PhD in the minimum period for a full-time PhD (3 years) so it would be questioned. I don't understand what you mean in your point (a). You get additional points for your doctorate, and additional points for experience in your nominated occupation. Is your nominated occupation SW Engineer or Researcher ? BigD Dear all, I have the following overlapping of my postgraduate studies (A) and my work experience (B): (A) 01/Jul/2003 - 09/Oct/2006 : Full-time postgraduate studies with obtaining a Ph.D. degree (ACS has recognized it as AQF Doctorate in Computing). During the course I attended some lectures, prepared five scientific articles, did some teaching and worked on my Ph.D. thesis. It all was possible because I had flexible hours schema during my described in (B) employment. (B) 01/Feb/2005 - 22/Feb/2007: Position of Software Engineer (worked in St. Petersburg, Russia for Sun Microsystems, full-time - confirmed by ACS): I really worked 40 hours per week – my manager confirms it in appropriate reference letter. In respect with the above, I have a concern that DIAC, although I was working at Sun Microsystems after receiving my Bachelor degree (recognized by ACS) will NOT count either my Doctorate or my experience at Sun because: a) Some people on forums wrote that any work experience can be taken into account by DIAC only after receiving the applicant's _highest_ degree, i.e. Doctorate I my case; b) The two full-time activities, I mean (A) and (B), took place in parallel for some time, and it causes me to worry. So, today, I have 70 points with my experience at Sun and 65 ones without it. What would you suggest? - Declare for DIAC my experience at Sun as relevant or not relevant? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoannaAch Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 I think mkny situation is not so clear as the PhD in Russia and Europe differs from Australian. Many PhD degrees are given based on research work/publications and prepared thesis and not on lectures/exams. This way many PhD students are full-time employed. What I do not understand is whether DIAC gives points for employment just after last qualification? Not after the qualification required for the nominated occupation (so Bachelor degree)? What if someone working for 20years decides to do a PhD? Does it mean that the employment before PhD was not "skilled'? I am no migration expert, but I would be surprised if you can double-count the overlap if you were full-time student and full-time working. It seems you did a PhD in the minimum period for a full-time PhD (3 years) so it would be questioned. I don't understand what you mean in your point (a). You get additional points for your doctorate, and additional points for experience in your nominated occupation. Is your nominated occupation SW Engineer or Researcher ? BigD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkny Posted March 20, 2013 Author Share Posted March 20, 2013 I am no migration expert, but I would be surprised if you can double-count the overlap if you were full-time student and full-time working. It seems you did a PhD in the minimum period for a full-time PhD (3 years) so it would be questioned. I don't understand what you mean in your point (a). You get additional points for your doctorate, and additional points for experience in your nominated occupation. Is your nominated occupation SW Engineer or Researcher ? BigD I see, thanks for your comments. Regarding "so it would be questioned": I really worked hard on both my job-related phd thesis and worked in-parallel full-time: I have the needed financial documents as evidence for my work experience and all the docs confirming my phd studies, even my advisor's reccomendation. The activities are REALLY hard to combine but I did it working over holidays and long hours... Should I really "hide" it now somehow? Or persuade DIAC ? Don't you know about similar cases by chance? My nominated occupation is SW Engineer. In point (a) I meant that while completed relevant Bachelor degree is required to count following work experience, according to some people, overlapping of Master's / PhD with working may be a problem. I have seen a couple of comments like "they (DIAC) count experience only after your last / highest degree". Would be great to hear about such cases from people with e.g. Bachelor+Masters - it should not be very rare, I hope.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkny Posted March 20, 2013 Author Share Posted March 20, 2013 I think mkny situation is not so clear as the PhD in Russia and Europe differs from Australian. Many PhD degrees are given based on research work/publications and prepared thesis and not on lectures/exams. This way many PhD students are full-time employed.What I do not understand is whether DIAC gives points for employment just after last qualification? Not after the qualification required for the nominated occupation (so Bachelor degree)? What if someone working for 20years decides to do a PhD? Does it mean that the employment before PhD was not "skilled'? JoannaAch, the following is exactly my case, though I passed some tough exams and attended some lectures: "Many PhD degrees are given based on research work/publications and prepared thesis and not on lectures/exams." Do you think it is real to explain the situation to DIAC? In terms of the "highest" degree - please see my reply above. Would be great to hear from people with "Bachelor + MS". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoannaAch Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 (edited) I have a Bachelor degree, two Master degrees and I am finishing a PhD in Sept. I am applying under "Life Scientist" so in my case it is more obvious that work and research are the same thing (I guess). If I were you, I would either include PhD or experience in EOI as relevant, just to be on the safe side. As for explaining anything to DIAC, I just think it is better if you do not have to explain too much:) During my PhD I had no exams (except the defense), a few lectures per year and I have not even visited the university that I am a "full-time" PhD student at yet (I am doing my doctorate in Germany). I plan to apply for Points Test Advise from VETASSESS when I get my degree and claim points based on that ... JoannaAch, the following is exactly my case, though I passed some tough exams and attended some lectures: "Many PhD degrees are given based on research work/publications and prepared thesis and not on lectures/exams." Do you think it is real to explain the situation to DIAC? In terms of the "highest" degree - please see my reply above. Would be great to hear from people with "Bachelor + MS". Edited March 20, 2013 by JoannaAch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrussell Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 a) Some people on forums wrote that any work experience can be taken into account by DIAC only after receiving the applicant's _highest_ degree, i.e. Doctorate I my case; Nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkny Posted March 27, 2013 Author Share Posted March 27, 2013 If I were you, I would either include PhD or experience in EOI as relevant, just to be on the safe side. As for explaining anything to DIAC, I just think it is better if you do not have to explain too much:) Indeed, the option of "less points, but safer" is attractive. So, I am going to claim the following experience as "Not Relevant": Software Engineer (full-time, confirmed by ACS): 01/Feb/2005 - 22/Feb/2007 However, in addition to sending all the official documents regarding my confirmed by ACS Doctorate, I am going to send the Ref letter and financial docs regarding my "Not Relevant" (double quotes) experience at Sun - with comments for CO that because the experience was in parallel with the postgraduate studies I JUST IN CASE marked it as "Not Relevant". Another point: in November 2006, December 2006 and January 2007 I worked at Sun NOT in parallel with my postgraduate studies, because Doctorate lasted from 01/Jul/2003 to 09/Oct/2006. Do you think it makes sense to "break" my Sun’s experience into a big "Not Relevant" chunk and the 3-month-long piece of "Relevant" experience to show for DIAC? Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
konio Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 Indeed, the option of "less points, but safer" is attractive. So, I am going to claim the following experience as "Not Relevant": Software Engineer (full-time, confirmed by ACS): 01/Feb/2005 - 22/Feb/2007However, in addition to sending all the official documents regarding my confirmed by ACS Doctorate, I am going to send the Ref letter and financial docs regarding my "Not Relevant" (double quotes) experience at Sun - with comments for CO that because the experience was in parallel with the postgraduate studies I JUST IN CASE marked it as "Not Relevant". Another point: in November 2006, December 2006 and January 2007 I worked at Sun NOT in parallel with my postgraduate studies, because Doctorate lasted from 01/Jul/2003 to 09/Oct/2006. Do you think it makes sense to "break" my Sun’s experience into a big "Not Relevant" chunk and the 3-month-long piece of "Relevant" experience to show for DIAC? Thank you What happened finally? Both postgraduate and work experience accepted? Or you just followed "less points, but safer". I am really interested to know as my case is same. I did my PhD and I also worked for some IT company. Both works were separate and my visa was also employment visa, I paid all taxes, insurances and contributed to retirement fund. Please let me know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkny Posted December 23, 2016 Author Share Posted December 23, 2016 What happened finally? Both postgraduate and work experience accepted? Or you just followed "less points, but safer". I am really interested to know as my case is same. I did my PhD and I also worked for some IT company. Both works were separate and my visa was also employment visa, I paid all taxes, insurances and contributed to retirement fund. Please let me know. I've been living in Sydney 2.5 years so far - I eventually got the visa. I followed "less points, but safer" - they generally do not believe you can do any two full-time activities at the same time. Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
konio Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 I've been living in Sydney 2.5 years so far - I eventually got the visa.I followed "less points, but safer" - they generally do not believe you can do any two full-time activities at the same time. Good luck! Thank you for your prompt reply. Your experience may be a great help to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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