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Warning-aitsl do not recognise uk pgce teaching degree - chemistry!!!!

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Hello,

My daughter completed the 3year degree a couple of years ago and now teaches in a secondary school as a chemistry teacher in the UK. She has been accredited by the NSW teaching authority and approved to teach in NSW.

Now here is the problem, her accrediation was refused by AITSL as it was on a 3 year degree and the transcripts provided show 440 points and not the 480 points on a traditional 4 year degree.

 

We have provided letters from the uni that this degree is recognized as the equivelant to the traditional 3year chemistry degree and 1 year teaching degree...just that pgce does this in 3 years.

 

Very frustrating seeing all the posts on here showing all the successful pgce entrants when we are having such problems.

 

To make matters worse we are both Australian citizens and my daughter was out here for her year 11/12 and got 96.3% in her HSC. She only went back to the uk to do her degree and get some teaching experince.

 

To make things worse if she had sat around in uk done nothing we would be able to bring her back on a student visa or. Hold visa as a sole defendant, but we can't do that as she is self sufficient and not reliant on us....

 

 

Very frustrated, any advice gratefully recieved.

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What a nightmare! Really feel for her........... :(


IELTS 15/2/13 L 8.5, R 8.5, W 9, S 9 ; AITSL skills assessment submitted March 5th '13 ; positive AITSL result May 31st '13

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Welcome to PIO

 

You require 4 years of university study to be able get get positive skills assessment from AITSL. Im sure that any 1 year course will get her the relevant credits to get a positive skills assessment.

 

Does she have any other options?? Did she have PR before she went back to the UK? Would she be able to get a school to sponsor her?

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Naive of me but I thought that the PGCE was a fourth year - so a 3 year chemistry degree for your first degree then a one year PGCE (postgraduate certificate of education) (mine was a long time ago I must admit) = 4 years. If you dont have 4 years though, forget it. I dont see how you could do a postgrad certificate without first being a graduate? Sounds like a nightmare and not sure if there is a solution - perhaps a fourth year of study in Aus as an international student?

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PGCE IS 3 YEARS FULL TIME , Supposed to be equivelant to the 4 years degree. I have seen other students on here and other forums who have got the AITSL confirmation. Frustrasting and the fees to bring her over as an international student are over $25k. Also the child route visa 101 is not an option as she has been working in the uk and not depandent on us..if she had bummed around and not done anything and been asking us for cash over the past 12 months we could bring her in..Go figure..:-(

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No she was with us on our 457, we have both gone PR and now citezens whilst she was back in the UK studying and working.

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Are you sure it was a PGCE? PGCE is one year that you usually do after a three year science degree to become a science teacher. Thats what my girlfriend has anyway.

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Remaining relative application, perhaps?

 

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Most teachers teach more than one subject my son is a chemistry teacher but he also teaches maths. He did a Bachelor of Science and then a post grad teaching diploma. I think she needs another string to her bow.


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How does that work in practice Petals? My girlfriend is a science teacher (UK) because shes done a science degree and all (most) english schools have specialist Maths and Science teachers. Would my girlfriend get a job as a sciences/maths teacher say and be able to pick up maths??. Doesnt it mean the teaching is worse, surely you cant have someone who has done a 3 years maths degree and a 3 year science degree?#

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She has one geography class actually but its only because someones gone off sick. I asked her if she could start teaching some maths to gain experience if it was required in Australia but she said that would never be allowed as they have lots of specialist Maths teachers to do the job

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Hello,

My daughter completed the 3year degree a couple of years ago and now teaches in a secondary school as a chemistry teacher in the UK. She has been accredited by the NSW teaching authority and approved to teach in NSW.

Now here is the problem, her accrediation was refused by AITSL as it was on a 3 year degree and the transcripts provided show 440 points and not the 480 points on a traditional 4 year degree.

 

We have provided letters from the uni that this degree is recognized as the equivelant to the traditional 3year chemistry degree and 1 year teaching degree...just that pgce does this in 3 years.

 

Very frustrating seeing all the posts on here showing all the successful pgce entrants when we are having such problems.

 

To make matters worse we are both Australian citizens and my daughter was out here for her year 11/12 and got 96.3% in her HSC. She only went back to the uk to do her degree and get some teaching experince.

 

To make things worse if she had sat around in uk done nothing we would be able to bring her back on a student visa or. Hold visa as a sole defendant, but we can't do that as she is self sufficient and not reliant on us....

 

 

Very frustrated, any advice gratefully recieved.

 

To teach in Australia you must have four years of university education. This has been stated many times on PIO and there are a number of teachers on here ( including me), so we really do know what we are talking about.

 

I am a little confused by your post as a PGCE is a Post Graduate Certificate of Education, post graduate being the definition to look out for as it is only available to graduates. I have never heard of a three year PGCE, but have certainly heard of three year undergraduate degrees followed by a one year PGCE. Even if this is a three year PGCE, you have stated that your daughter is lacking the number of credits required,

 

Teachers have completed three year Bachelor of Education Degrees in Primary Education in the UK run into the exact same problem - their degree is only three years long and Australia will not accept them, even if they have been teaching for years.

 

The reality is that if your daughter has insufficient credit and has only three years of university education, then she will need to complete one more year of university education. In the long run one year is not much and then she will be able to teach in Australia.

 

Seek advice on what type of one year courses are available and relevant - perhaps adding a minor to your daughters qualifications and thus making her more employable in Australia ( where teaching jobs are extremely scarce).

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How does that work in practice Petals? My girlfriend is a science teacher (UK) because shes done a science degree and all (most) english schools have specialist Maths and Science teachers. Would my girlfriend get a job as a sciences/maths teacher say and be able to pick up maths??. Doesnt it mean the teaching is worse, surely you cant have someone who has done a 3 years maths degree and a 3 year science degree?#

 

Study is different over here and lots of teachers have a minor in another subject and so are able to teach that within any school environment.

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I work with the Open University through Curtin University teaching on the Dip Ed course for primary school teachers. The students are from all over Australia and abroad - mainly Asia, all the teaching is done on line. I am sure there will be Units she could do while in the UK through the Australian OU - and this would increase her credits.

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Run your case past a registered migration agent.

 

Always good advice,but a migration agent cannot change the fact that to be able to teach here you need a certain number of credits and years studied and achieved.

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If you are both Australian citizens why can't your daughter claim citizenship, particularly as she went to school in oz

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If you are both Australian citizens why can't your daughter claim citizenship, particularly as she went to school in oz

 

She could claim citizenship if she was born here and her parents were already permanent residents or Australian citizens at that stage - but it does not sound like that is the case. Otherwise, if she is a permanent resident then after the qualifying period she could become an Aussie citizen.

 

However, all of the above has absolutely nothing at all to do with the four year university requirement for teaching. Her qualifications were obtained overseas and they have to be assessed as such.

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Thanks All for the great advice. Looks like the credits have to be made up fro 440 to 480 and we have to show 4 years of study..

sorry for the misleading title as my daughter did 3 years BSC in Chemistry with QTS Status. Now looking for Courses here in OZ to satisfy the 4 years of study..dont want to risk just topping up the credits in uk as they could come back and say it not 4 years...etc etc..however this is an expensive option as she will be an overseas student here in oz and the course for the year is around 25k aud.

 

ouch,,,,,expensive lesson for anyone out there...Plan for your older kids as they will alway change their bloody mind..!

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Thanks All for the great advice. Looks like the credits have to be made up fro 440 to 480 and we have to show 4 years of study..

sorry for the misleading title as my daughter did 3 years BSC in Chemistry with QTS Status. Now looking for Courses here in OZ to satisfy the 4 years of study..dont want to risk just topping up the credits in uk as they could come back and say it not 4 years...etc etc..however this is an expensive option as she will be an overseas student here in oz and the course for the year is around 25k aud.

 

ouch,,,,,expensive lesson for anyone out there...Plan for your older kids as they will alway change their bloody mind..!

 

You probably have better options than flogging a dead horse. As I previously advised - consult a registered migration agent.


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You probably have better options than flogging a dead horse. As I previously advised - consult a registered migration agent.

 

 

She would be wasting more money by doing that. You have to have four years of university education to teach here - that is mandatory and no migration agent can change that requirement. Three years is not accepted by any teaching registration board across the whole country.

 

Instead of consulting with a migration agent, please contact relevant teaching registration boards and also universities who can advise you on the best course to study for year.

Good luck.

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Hi sorry to jump in on your thread but I have a query. My daughter in law is hoping to study to become a primary school teacher (lifelong ambition) and is querying a move to AUstralia hopefully to join us in the future. She is hoping to do a three yr primary education degree with OTS. After reading this thread and now knowing that she has to study at uni for four yrs, our query is, if she then undertook a masters programme for a further year whilst working as a primary school teacher would this be acceptable or does she need a PGCE.

cheers

Nic


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QTS stands for qualified teacher status BUT this is ONLY relevant to the UK, it does not confer qualified teacher status on the holder for any other country and therefore is pretty much meaningless. It would be far far more beneficial on many levels to do a different 3 year undergrad course and then the one year pgce - whatever she does however DO NOT do a gtp, as this isn't recognized by any other country at all, and is a complete and utter waste of ones time if they even maybe possibly want to emigrate at a later stage in life.The pgce route just makes things very much more simple all round, it ticks many boxes simply and easily and doesn't require headaches later ( as long as it has at least 45 days on practical experience in school setting, which it will if its a proper post graduate certificate of education. It depends on what state she wants to teach in as to what she can teach as well - if she wants to do early years, she needs to really read up on that now.Good luck with it all :)


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She would be wasting more money by doing that. You have to have four years of university education to teach here - that is mandatory and no migration agent can change that requirement. Three years is not accepted by any teaching registration board across the whole country.

 

Instead of consulting with a migration agent, please contact relevant teaching registration boards and also universities who can advise you on the best course to study for year.

Good luck.

 

Tell me everything you know.


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