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'Short commute but live miles from city' OR 'long commute and live the city life'?

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Hi everyone,

unlike (I imagine) a lot of people here who work in the city, I will (soon) be working way out in Richmond (NSW Richmond that is). At first I thought this was great as I could avail of the much cheaper rents out that way (and, from a previous post, was pointed towards nice places such as Windsor as a place to live) and make the 1hr 30 minute trips into the city at the weekend. However, I'm now thinking this may not be such a great idea. I'm early 30s, single, and like the idea of being able to do things on evenings during the week - join a club, meetup groups, go for a few beers, the usual social things. I'm worried that living that far out may make such opportunities harder to come by and I don't really want to have to be driving into the city and back again a few nights a week.

 

So, what are people's opinions on this? Is the short commute (and cheaper living) worth missing out on the mid-week socialising opportunities (or maybe I'm not giving enough social scene credit to those areas far out from the city?), or should I do the long commute and be able to take full advantage of what Sydney has to offer?

 

Or maybe there is a half way ground in this - i.e. live halfway between? That leaves areas around Parramatta etc (which I calculate would be about an hours commute each way) if I want to be on a trainline to Richmond. The other option is areas around Penrith - maybe this has enough of a midweek social scene going on and would still be a short-ish commute?

 

Thanks in advance.

 

p.s. I don't mean to offend anyone living out by Richmond way assuming that there is nothing to do there - I'm just comparing it to the very large city next to it :smile:. And given I'm not even out in Aus yet I probably don't even know what I'm talking about!

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I think living half way would have you falling between two stools myself. Parramatta's got some nice historical bits (was the first bit the colonists could find to farm) and a lovely park but it's got plenty of grotty bits as well

 

ISTR I was one who suggested Richmond (or, better, Windsor) previously. Not sure I knew what your personal circs were then, now I do, I don't really know the answer I'm afraid. I think getting bored and feeling alone out there outside of work could be a problem. I was in Windsor last week as it happens, stopped on the way back from a tramping trip up in the Blue Mountains and it is quite a nice place - it really does feel like a proper town and believe me, that is a rare thing here. But yeah, as a 30-ish singleton you might struggle for fun

 

Living in the city? I guess that comes down to a couple of things - first one is money. No point living in the city life if you're paying so much in rent and for commuting you can't afford to ever go out. I would say definitely look at flatshares. The other thing is your tolerance for commuting. Going from the city to the Hawkesbury is at least against the flow but it's still going to take a while, that might be OK for you, might not, dunno. If you do want to live in the city then you need to be very central in Sydney to really get "city life" - there's a lot of sprawl

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I think living halfway is the worst of your three options. I think that anywhere, but especially in Australia, going for "the best of both worlds" actually becomes settling for the worst of both worlds. Penrith may be a big hub but spending your evenings in Panthers would be too big a culture shock for anyone I reckon.:biggrin:

 

I'd go for Windsor - but then I really hate commuting - initially. As NSP says a "real town" is a treasured gem out here. You may need to dig a little deeper but a good social life will be there. Also there is the fun of the Hawkesbury River / Blue Mountains if you're into that. If you hate it move.

 

The centre of Sydney is very small, though awesome, for such a big sprawling city. Rent there would eat up a lot of your disposable cash and the commute could really get you down.

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My son is 30, is in a heavy metal/alternative band, and we live in Penrith. He never socialises out this way, he has mates in Parramatta and the city, all his band stuff is that way, but he says he couldn't afford to live in the city so he travels there at the weekends. Depends what you want from your social life. Everybody wants the lifestyle of the city but the rent of the burbs. Richmond/Windsor are nice places but Penrith probably has more to offer by way of shopping, dining etc and easier commute to city.

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I am not being facetious, but I think I would reconsider taking the job and look for another one in Sydney.

 

I would not want to live in Richmond / Windsor as a 30 something singleton. But it is a long way into the city and I don't think I would want to commute that far every day either. It is a very tricky one to be honest.

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Hi everyone and thanks for the replies. You've kinda confirmed what I expected. Oh well, I think I'll just give somewhere like Windsor a go and see if it works out. On a plus side the proximity to the blue mountains is definately a bonus.

 

Rupert, unfortunately I don't have a choice to turn this job down as they are sponsoring my 457 visa. And also the job itself is a good one and I don't want to pass on the opportunity.

 

Cheers

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Hi everyone and thanks for the replies. You've kinda confirmed what I expected. Oh well, I think I'll just give somewhere like Windsor a go and see if it works out. On a plus side the proximity to the blue mountains is definately a bonus.

 

Rupert, unfortunately I don't have a choice to turn this job down as they are sponsoring my 457 visa. And also the job itself is a good one and I don't want to pass on the opportunity.

 

Cheers

 

There are always choices and don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

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I like Richmond/Windsor to visit, but personally couldn't live there. Like you say it is just too far away from where all the action is. I once spent a Sunday sightseeing in Windsor and by the middle of the afternoon just couldn't wait to get back into Sydney, it was quite dismal and a bit run down too. The pub there is nice and historic but seems to attract a lot of bikers. Richmond seems to be a dormitory town for the RAAF base although there are some students from the Uni of Western Sydney about. A work colleague had to work shifts in Richmond so she rented in Redfern and took the train out there every day - a long commute, but she didn't mind.

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I like Richmond/Windsor to visit, but personally couldn't live there. Like you say it is just too far away from where all the action is. I once spent a Sunday sightseeing in Windsor and by the middle of the afternoon just couldn't wait to get back into Sydney, it was quite dismal and a bit run down too. The pub there is nice and historic but seems to attract a lot of bikers. Richmond seems to be a dormitory town for the RAAF base although there are some students from the Uni of Western Sydney about. A work colleague had to work shifts in Richmond so she rented in Redfern and took the train out there every day - a long commute, but she didn't mind.

 

Hi. I'm starting to think about doing the commute option as I honestly don't think I'd mind commuting for an hour or so. If I am getting on at Richmond train station then I'm guessing I'd be guaranteed a seat on the way home each evening and I can do the whole email/reading thing. Although I'm sure the Hawkesbury is really nice, I agree with your post that it is a place that I would want to be visiting rather than living in as I do think I'd get a little bored if I didn't have things to do during the weekday evenings. As well as that I'll be renting at least in the short to medium term so if it gets too much I can always reassess things 6 months down the line.

 

In the end though it is a dilemna but a rather nice dilemna to be having in one sense given how many years I've been wanting to move over to Sydney.

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Find a flatshare somewhere in Surry Hills or similar (walkable to Central Station so easy for the train)

 

If you can hack the time, fares are pretty cheap - $186 a month for the season ticket. And yes, you'll deffo get a seat coming home FROM Richmond. Going TO Richmond you might, after Parramatta you will

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Hi. I'm starting to think about doing the commute option as I honestly don't think I'd mind commuting for an hour or so. If I am getting on at Richmond train station then I'm guessing I'd be guaranteed a seat on the way home each evening and I can do the whole email/reading thing. Although I'm sure the Hawkesbury is really nice, I agree with your post that it is a place that I would want to be visiting rather than living in as I do think I'd get a little bored if I didn't have things to do during the weekday evenings. As well as that I'll be renting at least in the short to medium term so if it gets too much I can always reassess things 6 months down the line.

 

In the end though it is a dilemna but a rather nice dilemna to be having in one sense given how many years I've been wanting to move over to Sydney.

 

I'd be interested to hear how you get on! I've seen a job for the UWS at the Richmond campus, am tempted but would want to live near the surf (currently in falmouth, Cornwall so a pre/post work surf is always on the cards)! Was thinking halfway would be a good option

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I'd be interested to hear how you get on! I've seen a job for the UWS at the Richmond campus, am tempted but would want to live near the surf (currently in falmouth, Cornwall so a pre/post work surf is always on the cards)! Was thinking halfway would be a good option

 

Hi Chris,

thanks for the bump on this thread as I had forgotten to revisit and update it.

 

I'm currently living out in Richmond (for the first month of living here) and whilst the area is really nice (especially the Richmond UWS campus!) I'm going to take the advice of others and move into the city. I've been going into the city on the train the few weekends I've been here so far and scoping out different areas. As NorthPom had suggested I'm definately liking the idea of Surry Hills and am now looking to live there. It's got the right sort of 'vibe' that I'm looking for and is close to both Redfern and Central stations (which is on the Western train line that takes you to Richmond). The downside obviously is that it's a long commute every day (on quite a slow (and not overly modern) train) - approx 1hr 15mins to East Richmond. In saying that though I'm going to give it a go for 6 months - the way I see it is that I can do some work on the train (reading documents/emailing etc) and compensate by not having to stay in the office late each day.

 

My guess is that if you are working a typical 9-5, then you'll need to be getting a train around 7.30am and (depending if you decide to live inner west/central) therefore may not have time to get in a pre-work surf unless you're willing to get up really early (according to google maps you could cycle to the bondi in about 25 mins from Surry hills). You'd probably also be getting home in the evening around 6.30/7pm -do people surf late in the evening? I'm not a surfer (yet?) and don't know the lifestyle so maybe someone else can give advice on that.

 

Regarding living half way, I know of people working here in Richmond who live in Parramatta and seem to think it's fine. But a few of them have said they would quite like to move closer into the city. And I can't imagine it would be an ideal location for a regular surfer (weekends only surfing might be fine - again, best to get advice from others). I did have a quick visit across to Parramatta and had a walk up to North Parramatta. I thought it looked okay but in comparison to the inner west areas I don't think it compares at all. Plus if money is important, there is no difference in price between a central-richmond monthly/season ticket and parramatta-richmond ticket (which I thought was a little strange given the difference in time/distance).

 

Hope that helps (and remember this is from someone who hasn't actually made the move/done the commute just yet)

 

Cheers.

 

p.s. might also be useful to know that there is a free shuttle bus that takes you to/from east richmond station to the UWS campus and I believe it ties it's schedule to the schedule of arriving/departing trains.

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I do think (as per most of the posts o the previous page) that living half way is the worst of both worlds - still a lengthy commute, but not really any city life (and certainly no beach life)

 

Choice between living in the country and going in to the city for your buzz fix, or living in the City and putting up with higher rents and a lengthy commute

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I do think (as per most of the posts o the previous page) that living half way is the worst of both worlds - still a lengthy commute, but not really any city life (and certainly no beach life)

 

Choice between living in the country and going in to the city for your buzz fix, or living in the City and putting up with higher rents and a lengthy commute

 

I'll just add to that and say that the few pub visits I've had so far in the city with friends at the weekends (which has been a lot of fun and totally lived up to my hopes for Sydney) has been kind of spoiled by getting the long train home afterwards. My thinking is that I'd rather get the train for commuting (when I'm sober and can thus pass the time working/reading) than when I've had a few drinks and unable to do anything except really sit there.

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My husband works at the RAAF base in Richmond, we live in Bowen Mountain as far from Windsor as possible!! If you are young and single I would commute. Richmond or Windsor are not places I would recommend to live.

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I'll just add to that and say that the few pub visits I've had so far in the city with friends at the weekends (which has been a lot of fun and totally lived up to my hopes for Sydney) has been kind of spoiled by getting the long train home afterwards. My thinking is that I'd rather get the train for commuting (when I'm sober and can thus pass the time working/reading) than when I've had a few drinks and unable to do anything except really sit there.

 

Hey,

I work out at Ryde Hospital and for the first 6 weeks lived in the hospital accommodation (about 40 mins train into the city) whilst friends all lived in Surry Hills. I have to say that as a 27 yr old, even that's too far from the city! We found it so annoying, finishing work at 6 and then by the time you've got home, got changed, got food and made it back out to the city it's already late and then you're worrying about the last train home! ridiculous. I agree with everyone about living in the middle - I think you'd be miserable as you're not where you want to work and still have to commute and you're STILL not in the city. Only compromise I guess would be if the middle was somewhere along the beach, then it would be a good kind of middle! We've got people working at the hospital who don't want to live at Ryde but don't want to live in the city, so have accepted the commute but get to live in the gorgeous Manly..

We've now moved to St Leonards as have friends in Crows Nest (which I love!). This means that it's now a 10 min hop down to circular quay - sunny day and been invited to drinks down at the harbour? no problem! I now have about a 35 min train commute to work in the morning and have to say I quite like it! As I'm going out of the city, the train's really quiet and I sit there with my kindle, half asleep and read my book in peace - not that bad a way to start the day..

Only comment would be that I don't know what the far out places like Richmond etc are like, they may be far out enough that they have their own community which you could get integrated into and could enjoy that instead?

 

Not sure if that helps, general musings I guess...

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Hi everyone,

I just remembered that I have never closed off this thread.....

 

I've being doing the daily commute from Central Station (living in Surry Hills) to Richmond for over two months now. And I have to say it's not that bad. It takes about 1hr 20 minutes but with the ability to work on the train (and counting this into my daily work hours) I think it's okay. It would be a different story had I been driving (in which case it would be 'lost' time). And it is certainly worth it in my opinion to be able to take advantage of the loads of stuff to do in the city.

 

And maybe I'll come back to this thread in a years time and let you know if I still feel the same.......

 

Thanks everyone for the advice.

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