Guest mumof2asdboys Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Hi GILL i spoke to you a while ago about our adopted daughter Alisha we have now had a reply. Alisha has been refused on medical grounds we have been asked by case officer to send information to try and get a wavier for Alisha but we dont understand what to put in. We havent got $110.000 which they have said it will cost there community services for Alisha we dont have much savings enough to get us settled in Australia ect car house bond food untill we managed to get a job.They said to say we wont to be with our 5 children but we are taking 3 of our children with us and other 2 with partners and children are coming out after we have settled in so we just dont know what else to send.hope you can give us any ideas. thanks Rowena I am so sorry she has been refused her visa :0 It seems completely illogical that your child would be refused thereby denying the rest of the family access to their home country. Take this to the media. Get some attention and embarrass the buggers to do a back flip. Policy shouldn't be about breaking families up. I am just so very sorry for you and the situation forced on you. I am now worried abotu going Aus to UK as we asked for the visa to be speeded up partly on medical (autism) grounds for our 2 asd boys. I do hope UK is kinder to us than Aus has been to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest31881 Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Hi, Sorry to hear about the refusal, it beggers belief that they refuse to let you home with your adopted child, I would also advise to contact the Media, and tell them you are not allowed to settle in your own country because you "dared" to adopt an Autistic child. Things like this make my blood boil, If you were rich and famous they would fall over backwards to help you. agghhhhh words fail me, Keep fighting and good luck.:hug: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_shel Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Hi GILL i spoke to you a while ago about our adopted daughter Alisha we have now had a reply. Alisha has been refused on medical grounds we have been asked by case officer to send information to try and get a wavier for Alisha but we dont understand what to put in. We havent got $110.000 which they have said it will cost there community services for Alisha we dont have much savings enough to get us settled in Australia ect car house bond food untill we managed to get a job.They said to say we wont to be with our 5 children but we are taking 3 of our children with us and other 2 with partners and children are coming out after we have settled in so we just dont know what else to send.hope you can give us any ideas. thanks Rowena I'm so sad you have to go through this to take your daughter home. The whole medical process for Aus makes me mad actually. Hubby applied for and was given Citizenship by decent last year and he has Aspergers Syndrome (a mild form of autism) and at no point did he have to do a medical. More to the point he's a teacher! Autism espcially if mild does not always mean great cost and people can work!!! Why do they always assume this massive cost to the country. A little support whilst in school is outweighed by you and your partner working and paying taxes and the fact she may well work one day like my hubby! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gollywobbler Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Hi GILL i spoke to you a while ago about our adopted daughter Alisha we have now had a reply. Alisha has been refused on medical grounds we have been asked by case officer to send information to try and get a wavier for Alisha but we dont understand what to put in. We havent got $110.000 which they have said it will cost there community services for Alisha we dont have much savings enough to get us settled in Australia ect car house bond food untill we managed to get a job.They said to say we wont to be with our 5 children but we are taking 3 of our children with us and other 2 with partners and children are coming out after we have settled in so we just dont know what else to send.hope you can give us any ideas. thanks Rowena Hi Rowena I am SO sorry that I have not noticed your post of 14th October until now. I am at a loss to understand why they have refused the visa - if that is what they have done - when the health waiver costing is well under $200K AUD. That makes no sense. If they have refused the visa, given that you are offshore in the UK they may have given you 70 days in which to lodge an Appeal to the Migration Review Tribunal? ** I don't know for sure but I imagine you do still have a right to go to the MRT even though you are not in Oz, because you are an Australian Citizen but I confess that I am guessing about this bit. I will ask George Lombard to read your posts because he will know what the relevant law is in your situation. ** If there are MRT rights then I think the MOC must be trying to force Alisha onto the Minister's personal plate. I should think the MOC is feeling very sore and tender right now: http://www.aph.gov.au/house/committee/mig/disability/subs.htm In the many submissions, everyone has attacked the lack of transparency in the MOC's decision-making process. The Convention on the Rights of the Child have been quoted, together with the Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities. Several of the expert submissions have also remarked that the MOC is a doctor, not a qualified, experienced Actuary, so the MOC should not be offering atuarial calculations of costs anyway. The information presented about Alisha can't be that bad because you have applied for PR for Alisha and the whole-of-life costing is only $110,000, you say? The "rule of thumb" in cases where no health waiver is available is $21,000 AUD. It is $200,000 for a child or a partner. Even the Minister and his crew have said that in Hansard in 2009. There is no wriggling out of it in these circumstances. All this seeming to be so, why has the delegate in London made the totally perverse decision to refuse the visa? It makes no sense. I suggest you make a FUSS to the Senate Inquiry (the committee chairman has confirmed that they will continue to accept submissions so ignore the original deadline date for those.) Meanwhile do you have any relatives in Oz who can draw yours and Alisha's predicament to the attention of their Federal MPs? If so, that is worth doing. You do need expert, specialist advice at this stage and I will do my best to get that for you as fast as I can. Very concerned Gill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oggie1 Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Hi, Thank you all for you kind posts. We have now contacted a migration officer in NSW Australia thank-you Gill for putting us in touch with him. George Lombard has taken over our case, he has been in touch with a speech therapist in Australia and is now looking at Alishas paper work to decide what help she thinks Alisha will need when we reach Australia. George is going to put all off our old and new documents back in, to see if we can get a wavier for Alisha now we have just got to wait. We are all very upset and annoyed over Alisha being refused as they are saying if you want to go home to your country of birth don't adopt a child with learning delays such as autism aspergers or any other disability as you wont get in. We have had Alisha since she was 5 months old she is now 4 years and we love her to bits. Alisha has now been diagnosed with having aspergers and they are still refusing her so we are not going to give up with out a good fight. Thank you Mumof2asdboys we might take you offer up just see how we get on with George Lombard. Many thanks, Rowena. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest smileykylie Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Rowena I wish I could say i was surprised by this refusal but I am not. It makes me soooooo mad that the australian government only sees people with a disability in terms of what they cost. There was a guy a few years ago who set himself on fire as they refused his visa application to bring his daughter over from pakistan ( i think) as she had cerebral palsy, he died as a result of his action. The Australia government has an appalling attitude toward those with disabilities and obviously thinks they are of no worth - god it makes me mad:arghh: I wish you all the best in your fight against this. I will be watching this thread with interest. remind them that Bill Gates has aspergers and look what he has achieved!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oggie1 Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Hi I know its a joke what do they think we are going to do go to Australia and sit on our back sides and claim of them for the rest of our lives we are so annoyed as they are not just stopping my self husband and Alisha from returning to Australia but my other 5 children 2 of them have partners and children they would love to settle in Australia but wont go and leave there mum dad and little sister behind as they know how much we all wont to return to Australia.Rowena Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest smileykylie Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 surely you have a human right to family life in your country of birth. i don't think Australia has a Human Rights act (is currently in consultation) but surely there is something within the system that can be argued for this right. I hope you get some good legal advice. There must be some organisation in Australia (not sure which state you are going to) who would love to pick this up and run with it given that a Human Rights act is high on the agenda at the moment. I wrote an article when I was a student about Australia's appalling policy on the migration of people with disabilities and how it basically comes down to how much they cost as the only measure of their worth - is making my blood boil just writing this down. You need to get some of the australian media involved somehow. I think the fact that you were born in australia will be a bonus for you and the media as people will identify with you, also they need to play on the fact that you adopted a child with special needs - which is my books makes you pretty special cause it is not easy. I am currently sporting a bruise from a young boy with autism!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gollywobbler Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Hi Rowena Reading your posts again, it seems that the delegate is minded to grant the health waiver - or at any rate wants to feel able to do so. I am pleased to hear that you have already involved George because he will know what to say to the delegate. The situation is by NO means lost. Please keep in touch and let us know how things progress. Meanwhile do please read some of the expert submissions (ie not mine!) to the current Senate Inquiry on the migration treatment of people with disabilities: http://www.aph.gov.au/house/committee/mig/disability/index.htm Please click on the link to "submissions." The Human Lawyers who need Australian Rights are actually called Australian Lawyers for Human Rights, by the way! Cheers Gill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Glenn Pereira Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 I know a good Clinical Psychologist in Melbourne who consults on Asperger syndrome. In my opinion the grounds are weak and the cost to the community is low for children with Asperger Syndrome. Regards Glenn Pereira Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shahid khan Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 Hi to All, I am planing to apply for business migeration to Aus and child 6.6 Autistic (mild) i will be greatfull any one give me some advice. Shahid Khan:yes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gareth and lisa Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 Hi another stumbling block!!! Ethan with his high functioning autism and now hubby has been diagnosed with bilateral arthritis and will need 2 new hips within the next year or so then replacing again in the future due to their shelf life. God will we ever get a visa. aarrr Lisa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gollywobbler Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 Hi to All,I am planing to apply for business migeration to Aus and child 6.6 Autistic (mild) i will be greatfull any one give me some advice. Shahid Khan:yes: Hi Shahid Welcome to Poms in Oz. When you say "business skills migration" do you mean an employer sponsored subclass 457 temporary visa or do you mean an independent Business Skills visa, please? Also, you say that your child has mild autism. Does she or he need and receive any special assistance at school? Please could you supply a little more detail about this? The issue is cost. If your child does not need special assistance of any sort then plainly no extra cost would be involved in Australia. If the child is receiving special assistance then potentially it could become tricky. Best wishes Gill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shahid khan Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 Hi Shahid Welcome to Poms in Oz. When you say "business skills migration" do you mean an employer sponsored subclass 457 temporary visa or do you mean an independent Business Skills visa, please? Also, you say that your child has mild autism. Does she or he need and receive any special assistance at school? Please could you supply a little more detail about this? The issue is cost. If your child does not need special assistance of any sort then plainly no extra cost would be involved in Australia. If the child is receiving special assistance then potentially it could become tricky. Best wishes Gill HI Gill, Thanks for the reply i am applying for business aub/class 160 or state sponsordand i will not be intital for madicare,my daugher is in grade one and currently she is attending school with an helping aid she is vary good in reading and she attends OT 5 times a weak and she hade an assiment by the Autism aspect Australia,currently there are vary few open in Pakistan for her and there are no further schools for here at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shahid khan Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 Hi Shahid Welcome to Poms in Oz. When you say "business skills migration" do you mean an employer sponsored subclass 457 temporary visa or do you mean an independent Business Skills visa, please? Also, you say that your child has mild autism. Does she or he need and receive any special assistance at school? Please could you supply a little more detail about this? The issue is cost. If your child does not need special assistance of any sort then plainly no extra cost would be involved in Australia. If the child is receiving special assistance then potentially it could become tricky. Best wishes Gill Hi Gill, I just want to add to my previous email that my daughter has a Autism spectrum (DSM IV TR 299.0) as she was asses by autism aspect. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Vanessa Browne Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Kingsdene Parent Group Media Release 23 November, 2009 Convoy to Canberra - It’s all about the future -but what about today and the immediate tomorrow Kingsdene parents and students appeal to the Rudd government to save Kingsdene Special School from closure because, not only is it the good thing to do, it’s the right thing to do. Bernadette Moloney chair of the Kingsdene Parent Group said: “Kingsdene parents and their severely disabled children will today travel to Canberra appealing to the Rudd Government to save their small charity-operated school from closure. “ “As we make that journey it is expected the government will announce the commissioning of a feasibility study into the possibility of a National Disability Insurance Scheme. An excellent idea well supported by the Australian community. Such a scheme coming to fruition is a long way “into the future” continues Ms Moloney Vanessa Browne another parent representative says: “But, what about the today and immediate tomorrow of our severely disabled children and all those other severely disabled children who need Kingsdene Special School to remain open “into their future”? The convoluted and unfair funding of students with disabilities in small charity-operated schools is a throw-back to the time when government deemed all children with disabilities could not be educated. The survival of Kingsdene Special School, in Western Sydney is a potent David and Goliath symbol and the Rudd government has certainly done much that is symbolic. Kingsdene Special School is a weekly boarding school for severely and profoundly intellectually disabled students. Its extended learning program is what makes it unique and does not neatly fit the funding formula applied to other private schools. “ Government spokespeople say Kingsdene students are funded to the maximum but do not deny the fact that Kingsdene students are not funded at the same level as a similarly disabled student in a government school. “ said Vanessa Browne Kingsdene singularly brings diversity across education models and sectors for students with severe and profound disabilities. Kingsdene students gain skills and knowledge in a program unparalleled in the country with brilliant outcomes, transparency and accountability” continues Ms Browne “All our kids need is a chance to be the best they can be. Is it too much to ask our government to step in and do the right thing here?” said Bernadette Moloney. “By saving Kingsdene the Rudd government can nail its colours to the mast both in education reform, inject some humanity into the education revolution funding model and move the focus of spending should be on the students who will grow with support rather than buildings that decay with time. All students irrespective of their ability should be given the best chance to maximise whatever potential they have. Saving Kingsdene would give the federal government legitimacy in claiming the moral ground unclaimed by every government for the past forty years. Contact: Bernadette Moloney 0409 200 660 and Vanessa Browne 0403 752 111 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gollywobbler Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Hello Vanessa Welcome to Poms in Oz. I am very short of time right now, unfortunately, but I will deal with your post later. Meanwhile, this thread may be of interest to you: http://www.pomsinoz.com/forum/migration-issues/67292-have-your-say-health-requirement.html Best wishes Gill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonnieRocket0 Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 Dear Fellow Visa seekers, I am also in the process of applying for PR to Australia and am going through the mill at the moment. We're pretty much there, but as expected my eldest son's meds were referred for further assessment. We were given 28 days to provide HOC a current report from a clinical pyschologist on my sons condition. He is 8 years old with mild autism and receives 18 hours per week 1to1 support in main stream schooling. We are amazed with the progress he has made since he was originally diagnosed (3.5 years) and on a recent visit to schools in Perth the teaching staff suggest that he would not get additional support as he 'seems' to be able to cope and the emphasis in the schools was to ensure that the kids developed their social skills and then worry about being brain surgeons later in their education. We had a great deal of trouble seeking an appointment with a Clinical Pyschologist for the additional assessment. His NHS doctor did not do private consultations, and it was nigh on impossible to get a private appointment within the 28 days HOC indicated. The various clinics we contacted also informed us that their fees for the assessment would be on average £350 per hour with a visit for a minimum of 2 hours. There would also be time for the reports to be written etc.. So you could be looking at roughly £1500 with the possibility of rejection. I then had a thought to contact the local university and made contact with a research tutor within their Pyschology Dept. He was a Chartered Clinical Psychologist and for a total of 4.5 hours work he has charged £315. He was very thorough in his assessment. there were two hours of tests, split into two 1 hour sessions. 1 hour at the university and 1 hour at my son's school. My wife and I are due to visit him this Tuesday to discuss the outcome of his assessment before he forwards the details to the panel doctor. I will keep you posted as to how we get on, and hopefully the HOC will approve his meds. From this thread I see that there maybe others who have to complete the additional actions we have had to take on board and felt duty bound to share my experiences with you. Our panel doctor had had no previous experience of dealing with an application such as ours and he was happy for me to seek our own Psychologist. If you find yourself in a similar circumstance to mine, then please do look into seeking help from your local university. Good luck and kind regards Ronnie Rocket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Janeloz Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 Hi We too had to have a clinical pyschologist do a report on our eldest son, he had a cognitive IQ test and assessment which took 3 hours and then there was 3 hours report writing which came out at £600. He also had to have a full physical done with a paediatrician which cost us £250. We went back to our original panel doctor as stated in the email from DIAC and he arranged everything for us. We did push him and had all appointments and reports done and posted off by 3 day courier within 2.5 weeks. They were received in Oz last Monday, so now just waiting. We are in a bit of a hurry as we sold our house much quicker than expected (13 days) and have to be out by Xmas. Then my hubby got told last week that he is to be made redundant and he is trying to negotiate to leave at Xmas also, so we REALLY want to know that we have the visa before all that happens. Anyway, good luck with the outcome of your sons meds, i'll keep my fingers crossed for you, Jane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oggie1 Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 Hi all Just an up date on our daughters visa. We posted back in september as our daughter Alisha failed her medical as she was diognosed as having autism.We then went to George Lambert in Sydney Australia migration agent to see if we had a chance he put us on to a speech therapist who looked at all the information since Alisha was diognosed 2yrs ago.They are now saying that they dont think our daughter is not. autistic. They are now saying her problems could of been caused by her parents drug use also neglect and abuse as a baby we adopted our daughter just over a year ago but she came in to our care when she was 5 months old as we are foster carers.We have now asked for Alisha to be assesed again which will be done next week to see if her pyschologist still thinks she is autistic so we have all got our fingers crossed that it cames back that she isnt and that she has got a speech and learning dealay rather than autism. This should help with our daughters application. Rowena Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Janeloz Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 Best of luck with that, I'll keep my fingers crossed for a good outcome for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonnieRocket0 Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 Hi Oggie1, Good luck with your quest Kind regards Ronnie R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oggie1 Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Hi all Just an update to our adopted daughters visa. We applied a while back for a visa for our daughter and was told she had failed her medical on the grounds that she was autistic.We got in touch with an migration agent in Sydney Australia to see if he could help with getting our daughters visa.I am Australian we have 5 children who have Australian passports and a husband with PR so we thought we wouldnt have any problem we were wrong.Our migratin agent put us in touch with a speech therapist that he deals with also in Australia she asked us to send all of our daughters documents from the last 2 years since she was diognosed with having autism so we did she got back to us and said she felt that Alisha our daughter was not autistic and that she needed another assesment to see if they still thought she was. Alisha had that assesment doneon the 21st december we had a phone call today to say our daughter Alisha is not autistic we are all over the moon with the out came now we have to wait to see were we go from here fingers crossed we hope her visa is grant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sunnyday Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 I wish you all the very best hun, good luck and Merry Xmas!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oggie1 Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Hi sorry daughter pressed button before i finished i was going to say we hope her visa is granted so that we can be in Australia early next year Rowena Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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