The IT field Thread

[Briggs0102]

Hello all,

 

would also be interested to hear any insight regarding Melbourne, as this could also be an option for us - thanks!

 

What visa are you looking at? I'd say the programming/software is a bit better then the helpdesk/networking that I'm looking into, but I'd say that's the case in most places. Seems to be a fair few applications support roles too. Take a quick look at gumtree / seek to get an idea.

[petal38]

What visa are you looking at? I'd say the programming/software is a bit better then the helpdesk/networking that I'm looking into, but I'd say that's the case in most places. Seems to be a fair few applications support roles too. Take a quick look at gumtree / seek to get an idea.

 

Hi Briggs, thanks for your reply. We already have our PR visas - just trying to decide where to head for - where has the best jobs in the IT field my husband works in out of Adelaide & Melbourne, and also taking into account the variation in costs of living in both.

 

I've read many time what you mention about the Oz experience - and to be honest i really don't get it!! Especially being prepared to work for less money until you have this Oz experience. I mean, surely at the end of the day Oz has an economic need for people skilled in the various niche areas of IT, we all go through a lengthy (and costly!!) process to secure a visa (which shows our commitment to making a go of life in Oz), plus then the significant cost of moving there ..... to then be expected to work for less than our skills/experience are worth?! My husband worked in Sydney for a few months several years ago ... would that count as Oz experience?

 

Not many people emigrating to Oz are going to have Oz experience are they .... because they're not from there. What about all the valuable experience/approaches we all bring from the country we have been working in prior to Oz - the local population in Oz isn't likely to have that are they. I just don't get this whole 'local' experience thing? My husband worked in Germany for 6 months in 2014 and wasn't expected to work for less - in fact he got more as he was providing skills the company needed. Especially in IT - writing code wherever you are in the world is the same thing.

 

Or am i missing something folks?

[ItchyFeet76]

Petal, have you considered getting in touch with a recruitment agent who specialises in your husband's field of work? They do take a considerable fee from the client (the employer) but they work hard to get you the right job with the right package. We're currently using one to try and get my husband sponsorship for a 457 (he's in IT Security).

 

 

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[petal38]

Petal, have you considered getting in touch with a recruitment agent who specialises in your husband's field of work? They do take a considerable fee from the client (the employer) but they work hard to get you the right job with the right package. We're currently using one to try and get my husband sponsorship for a 457 (he's in IT Security).

 

 

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Hello ItchyFeet76,

 

we already have our PR visas, but have found recruiters never get back to you when you're not as yet in Oz. Good luck in securing sponsorship! Fingers crossed.

[Kenfrapin]

Hi Briggs, thanks for your reply. We already have our PR visas - just trying to decide where to head for - where has the best jobs in the IT field my husband works in out of Adelaide & Melbourne, and also taking into account the variation in costs of living in both.

 

I've read many time what you mention about the Oz experience - and to be honest i really don't get it!! Especially being prepared to work for less money until you have this Oz experience. I mean, surely at the end of the day Oz has an economic need for people skilled in the various niche areas of IT, we all go through a lengthy (and costly!!) process to secure a visa (which shows our commitment to making a go of life in Oz), plus then the significant cost of moving there ..... to then be expected to work for less than our skills/experience are worth?! My husband worked in Sydney for a few months several years ago ... would that count as Oz experience?

 

Not many people emigrating to Oz are going to have Oz experience are they .... because they're not from there. What about all the valuable experience/approaches we all bring from the country we have been working in prior to Oz - the local population in Oz isn't likely to have that are they. I just don't get this whole 'local' experience thing? My husband worked in Germany for 6 months in 2014 and wasn't expected to work for less - in fact he got more as he was providing skills the company needed. Especially in IT - writing code wherever you are in the world is the same thing.

 

Or am i missing something folks?

 

Replying almost a month later so hope you were successful or found an answer. My friends faced the same 'no local experience' statement a few times

If you think neutrally, Australia has a LOT of foreign talent especially in the IT field and even more so when it comes to software/code development and testing roles. Employers are very aware of this and they know there is more demand than supply. So if you are running a business would you not want to hire the best and still pay the least?

That's pretty much all they are doing. Employers know all immigrants want to get a job quickly and settle in which is why they are ready to accept any low ball offer. So they tend to use this as a reason for paying below market rates. It is stupid really, because that employee will leave as soon as they find something better which ends up with the employer actual losing money trying to hire someone else (who they will try to hire for less as well!)

 

There are still enough companies that pay you the market rate, respect the experience you have and want you to work for them for many years. Finding such companies require patience and are you ready to say no to a job in hand, paying less and wait in hope for finding the right employer? Most people dont want to wait, which even the agents/employers know and they continue this practice.

 

Stick at it, be patient and you will get the job that pays well. But keep in mind lost earnings too. Every month you work for less pay is STILL better than not working at all (for example $5000 a month is better than nothing) but if you have savings and can wait then do so otherwise accept the offer, start working and in a few months or a years time move to another job paying what you deserve!

 

Ken

[Bibbs]

'no local experience' statement

 

Generally means they don't like you as a candidate, and it's an easy get out for them.

 

One of my clients has a full mix of Europeans, Asians, with a few other nationalities thrown in. But they are all a 'good fit' for their job.

[andrewajp002]

I think the No Oz experience is a typical response from recruiters, I have applied for numerous positions very close to a good fit but in 6 months have yet to secure anything to note and even basic work there is a very high candidate to position ratio so anyone with experience isnt going to get the basic roles either.

 

Im bordering on returning due to no work, however I had a second interview for an IT admin role in Melbourne but this was the first interview I was able to secure, and the recruiters wont touch you until you are in OZ, meaning my first month or 2 were wasted.

 

Good luck hunting everyone, hopefully you will be lucky.

[Guest Unregistered]

As said if you looking at Brisbane get me your CV and I may be interested subjected to technical,interview and skills used.[/quote

 

 

Looking for 457 sponsorship, can you suggest the best approach in the current climate?

 

Thanks

[Guest Unregistered]

Petal, have you considered getting in touch with a recruitment agent who specialises in your husband's field of work? They do take a considerable fee from the client (the employer) but they work hard to get you the right job with the right package. We're currently using one to try and get my husband sponsorship for a 457 (he's in IT Security).

 

 

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Can you advise of the contacts for such agents please?

 

Thanks

[Briggs0102]

Just for anyone looking for work in Melbourne. I did manage to get a job on a 3 month contract so it's not impossible. It took me 6-8 weeks to get something however.

 

I've been doing it for four weeks and it looks like it's time to get back on the phone to the agencies, as the next 2 months will fly by!

[Parley]

What sort of IT job did you get?

[ItchyFeet76]

Congratulations! Remind me what exactly you do again...?

 

 

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[Jessica Berry]

Just for anyone looking for work in Melbourne. I did manage to get a job on a 3 month contract so it's not impossible. It took me 6-8 weeks to get something however.

 

I've been doing it for four weeks and it looks like it's time to get back on the phone to the agencies, as the next 2 months will fly by!

 

Well done on securing work.

 

I am always surprised that people seem to be shocked that it takes time to get a job. If my situation was reversed and I was to return to my UK home town, I wouldn't expect to get a job straight away, as the process takes time. When I lived in the UK, council/Government jobs used to have a standard line saying 'if you haven't heard within 6 weeks' indicating that this is how long the process could take.

 

One of my previous postings regarding statistics on how long it takes to find a job in Australia....

 

http://www.pomsinoz.com/forum/jobs-careers/242095-statistics-time-takes-find-job.html

[Briggs0102]

I've been working in IT for about 7-8 years now, doing a range of System Admin / Support / Networking / so on. My CCNA/CCNA:Security & experience certainly helped me get the interview. I was hired the day of the interview and started the next day!

 

I'm working as a 'IT Team Leader' so inbetween Manager & Helpdesk, supporting servers, network infrastructure, backups as well as day to day support. Normal SA work. The only thing I don't do is SQL as I know very little, and I don't do any programming.

[GoldcoastMAD]

If you work in IT and live in the Gold Coast , Brisbane or Tweed Heads areas, I would like to connect with you on LinkedIn as I'm relocating to Australia soon. Please connect with me https://au.linkedin.com/in/mtdmitchell

Edited February 27, 2016 by GoldcoastMAD

[renatotkr]

Well, after some weeks here, I feel like the market is dead, at least in Sydney.

 

I'm a .NET specialist, 8+ years of experience, but no local experience.

 

I wonder if it's something with me.

 

Anyone feels the same?

[Guest The Pom Queen]

Well, after some weeks here, I feel like the market is dead, at least in Sydney.

 

I'm a .NET specialist, 8+ years of experience, but no local experience.

 

I wonder if it's something with me.

 

Anyone feels the same?

Don't give up, the job market can take months to crack. Try volunteering to get Australian experience.

[andrewajp002]

It took me 7 months and close to running out of cash before I finally got a job in Melbourne, nice little company and no stress, pay could be better but not bad. It is a good start and hopefully a platform to better things.

 

Little or no Australian work experience def works against you.

[helmet]

It took me about 75 applications over 5 months to secure my first Oz posting, that was 9 years ago and the market was much more buoyant than now. The ‘Oz experience’ issue is a genuine problem, some employers are very wary of dealing with migrants with no Oz work background. I brought a ruck of certificates, work documents, recommendations and the like, and they were pretty much universally dismissed at interviews. One thing that struck me is that references in the UK are too generic, too HR-centric. Whereas over here, they seem to encompass what you are actually like at doing your job; and if you’re rubbish, they will say that. So, a lot of employers are looking for that level of detail.

Just persevere is all I can say really. The only real advice I would offer up is make sure you have enough money to live on whilst you are applying (which could be 6 months +), don’t bother with Perth as there is no real market here, don’t fall out with anyone as it will come back to bite you, interact socially at work as that’s how most internal opportunities are leveraged, join an official body of knowledge for the industry that you’re working in, etc…..

Good luck all.

Edited March 30, 2016 by helmet

[orca]

Hi looking for some advice about Brisbane IT jobs.. If we brought finances for up to a year do you think he could secure a job in or near Brisbane? Anyone there at the moment? Many thanks!!

 

My Husbands I.T. background is predominately Systems Analyst / Business Intelligence based - encompassing reporting, testing and developing. This has given me experience in SAS, SQL, SSIS and Business Objects

[southernfox]

Hi everyone,

 

I am getting worried about this "Oz experience" issue that seems to come up. I am moving to Sydney in June and will be looking for work similar to what I currently do in the UK which was IT Manger, Head of IT or Service Delivery Management.

 

For the people out there that have been working in the IT field for awhile what does the "Oz experience" mean to you? Have you noticed a different way things are done in Oz? Or is it just a cultural thing?

 

Any advice or help would be great, I am not expecting to get work for awhile and have large savings to live off and I am lucky I will be staying with my partners family until we are settled with jobs.

 

Thanks in advance!

 

[Kenfrapin]

Hi everyone,

 

I am getting worried about this "Oz experience" issue that seems to come up. I am moving to Sydney in June and will be looking for work similar to what I currently do in the UK which was IT Manger, Head of IT or Service Delivery Management.

 

For the people out there that have been working in the IT field for awhile what does the "Oz experience" mean to you? Have you noticed a different way things are done in Oz? Or is it just a cultural thing?

 

Any advice or help would be great, I am not expecting to get work for awhile and have large savings to live off and I am lucky I will be staying with my partners family until we are settled with jobs.

 

Thanks in advance!

 

 

Same here, we are looking to move later this year and I am in the Project/Change/Delivery Management space in the Telecoms domain. I know there is a lot of Telco work going on but my worry, in general, is this ask for 'Oz' experience even though I have almost 14 years in the Industry. Anyone in a similar line of work who can share their experience when they first started?

 

Thanks

KnK

[Bibbs]

"no Australia experience" = "we don't like you, but want to let you down easy".

 

I was a developer with a Degree and 10 years experience (5 in UNIX, 5 in Microsoft).

Took me 4 weeks to realise recruitment agents are rubbish, and then 2 weeks to DIY the hunt and get a few offers.

Went for a .NET / SQL role having never used either too heavily. Been here 5 years now.

 

Also consider contracting. Means the companies can get rid of you easier, which makes them happier to take a risk.

[Guest hoffer]

So I've now been here over two years so hopefully can advise you.

 

The market for IT people isn't great as there doesn't seem to be a massive amount of roles out there. BUT the candidates I receive are generally pretty poor so if you are any good i wouldn't be too worried. I look for very particular skills and background and anyone with experience in any major economic country would have preference over someone who had never left Brisbane.

[CRP82]

Hi all.

 

I have around 7 years experiance as an Implementation/Delivey consultant in the UK, and have been looking for work in Brisbane for about 5 months. I'm sorry to say that I have received next to no response or feedback from any of the 100 or so applications I have submitted. I have a small amount of Australian experiance from a project a few years ago, but it doesn't seem to count for much. The market seems pretty dead or perhaps over saturated at the moment.

 

I have tried both recruitment agents and contacting companies directly. There certainly seems to be a 'who you know' rather than 'what you know' culture here. I have been told that a few times too.

 

Sadly I think I may have to return to the UK where I might have some more success.

 

Gutted.

 

PS: I don't want to put anyone off coming here. I really like it, but just wanted to let you know what I have experienced.