adaminoz Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 It's pretty slow here in Brisbane. .. Yeah, that's Brisbane Seriously though, it's unhelpful when a prospective economic migrant asks a (albeit pointless) question about job prospects and is met by a wholesale response based only on one person's narrow experience. I've said this before, the IT market is actually hundreds of markets, some of which are good and some are less good. If you are a particularly desirable prospect then you will find work even in a poor market. But then I guess those people will be doing proper research and contacting agents are recruiters rather than just asking on here and being met with the usual list of sob stories. Remember, the vast majority of IT workers are employed. It's pretty slow here in Brisbane. Contract vacancies much reduced by the change of Govt. V few large projects starting up as far as I know which impacts demand for BA's, Change Managers. Architects seem to do OK. I work because I have a great relationship with a consulting company who keep me supplied with small projects but think it would be really tough out there on my own. Big difference (drop) in number of calls I get from recruiters compared to even a year ago.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indianinoz Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 My wife is a Computer Engineer from India. We have got the PR visa and are landing in Sydney on 4th December. She has no work experience. She has completed her ISTQB Foundation level exam. Actually, she is more interested in programming than testing. So she is planning to give OCJP(Oracle Certificed Java Programmer) exam. Is this exam/qualification/certificate recognized in Australia? Will it enhance her CV? Is there any other course which you would recommend? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n1ck Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 My wife is a Computer Engineer from India. We have got the PR visa and are landing in Sydney on 4th December. She has no work experience. The IT industry is built upon having work experience. Unless it's a completely entry level role, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indianinoz Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 The IT industry is built upon having work experience. Unless it's a completely entry level role, of course. Agree! But she has to start somewhere, doesn't she? Since she is a fresher, we're trying to build her CV(and knowledge) a little bit with the certification courses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithandkate Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Remember, the vast majority of IT workers are employed. Isn't that true with virtually every industry? Doesn't mean it's easy to find work though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Agree! But she has to start somewhere, doesn't she? Since she is a fresher, we're trying to build her CV(and knowledge) a little bit with the certification courses. The certification courses without experience is probably a waste of investment. I think there is a cultural difference in India where high value is placed on education and training compared to Australia (& equally UK). When I was recruiting in Australia I would receive very many resumes from migrants & potential migrants from India with a far higher level of educational achievement but very limited experience and they would rarely be selected for interview. The selection criteria were based on skills not education/training. Her best opportunities will come with the large companies such as CSC, Fujitsu, Thoughtworks (fab company for women programmers) etc. who do take on trainees. I would ideally get experience before migrating though, even a year just to break through the 'no experience' barrier. Good luck, she will get a break I am sure but more certification isn't really going to help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petkula73 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 (edited) The certification courses without experience is probably a waste of investment. Completely agree. I've recruited various IT contractors in my role as a project manager and probably one of the things I'm least interested in is what certification they have. At the end of the day, if you're sitting in front of me I'm going to assume your skills and experience are adequate and it's all much of a muchness when comparing one person with another. You can have as many bits of paper as you like, but as an employer you need to prove to me that you can actually do this job, not sit in a classroom. The main factor I look for in a candidate (assuming their CV is acceptable) is would this person fit in with my team dynamic? The second one would be things like will this person make my life easier or harder? Do they have a personality? Can they express themselves? Do they need a lot of prompting or hand holding? Do I trust them? And most importantly, do they actually look like they want this job? If you can demonstrate that to me you'll shine in an interview. I wouldn't bother to ask you loads of technical questions to try to catch you out as I don't want to recruit someone who's learned something by rote. Perhaps the best answer I've heard in an interview to a technical question was from an Oracle developer who was asked what he'd do in a pretty complex technical scenario. "Dunno", he replied. "I'd go and Google it probably". He got the job. Edited October 14, 2015 by Petkula73 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newjez Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 I've seen a few mainframe jobs in Perth. One with hbf. Anyone know who the others are with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItchyFeet76 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Completely agree. I've recruited various IT contractors in my role as a project manager and probably one of the things I'm least interested in is what certification they have. At the end of the day, if you're sitting in front of me I'm going to assume your skills and experience are adequate and it's all much of a muchness when comparing one person with another. You can have as many bits of paper as you like, but as an employer you need to prove to me that you can actually do this job, not sit in a classroom. The main factor I look for in a candidate (assuming their CV is acceptable) is would this person fit in with my team dynamic? The second one would be things like will this person make my life easier or harder? Do they have a personality? Can they express themselves? Do they need a lot of prompting or hand holding? Do I trust them? And most importantly, do they actually look like they want this job? If you can demonstrate that to me you'll shine in an interview. I wouldn't bother to ask you loads of technical questions to try to catch you out as I don't want to recruit someone who's learned something by rote. Perhaps the best answer I've heard in an interview to a technical question was from an Oracle developer who was asked what he'd do in a pretty complex technical scenario. "Dunno", he replied. "I'd go and Google it probably". He got the job. Hi Petkula, are you able to give an insight into the current IT security industry in Vic (Melbourne area), please? My husband is a penetration tester /Senior Security Consultant and will be looking for sponsorship next spring (by which time we hope to have saved up enough to make the trip). He has his Crest CCT / CTL / OSCP, etc. and a few years' experience working for one of the world's largest pen-testing companies (actually more like 5 years in security but ACS knocked off a couple years for his lack of degree). His background has always been computers (hardware - i.e. sys admin, etc.) so he's got a broad knowledge of most things but specialises in security (currently learning mobile hacking). We've had recruiters get in touch with him but one has said there are very few companies in Vic willing to sponsor a 457, which is rather concerning as this is our only route in. Thanks in advance, I-F Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farry Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 (edited) If there is any one who is currently working in The IT industry/Telco please guide me about available job slot... Edited November 17, 2015 by farry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farry Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Completely agree. I've recruited various IT contractors in my role as a project manager and probably one of the things I'm least interested in is what certification they have. At the end of the day, if you're sitting in front of me I'm going to assume your skills and experience are adequate and it's all much of a muchness when comparing one person with another. You can have as many bits of paper as you like, but as an employer you need to prove to me that you can actually do this job, not sit in a classroom. The main factor I look for in a candidate (assuming their CV is acceptable) is would this person fit in with my team dynamic? The second one would be things like will this person make my life easier or harder? Do they have a personality? Can they express themselves? Do they need a lot of prompting or hand holding? Do I trust them? And most importantly, do they actually look like they want this job? If you can demonstrate that to me you'll shine in an interview. I wouldn't bother to ask you loads of technical questions to try to catch you out as I don't want to recruit someone who's learned something by rote. Perhaps the best answer I've heard in an interview to a technical question was from an Oracle developer who was asked what he'd do in a pretty complex technical scenario. "Dunno", he replied. "I'd go and Google it probably". He got the job. "Dunno", he replied. "I'd go and Google it probably"...Thats Really cool...I wish to have Luck in a same way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercow Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 It seems my employment opportunities will be vastly improved by going contracting. I've been contracting in the UK for longer than 5 years + , but have no notion how the Aussie contracting process is like. Have any UK contractors, started contracting in Aus and have any info / link you can share with me? In particular, I'd like to understand whether it's much the same there, in that you pay yourself a base salary + dividends + expenses, using a limited company as a vessel for business? Does it also give you the tax benefits in the same way as the UK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briggs0102 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 I've been in Melbourne a little over a week now (However I've been in Oz for almost 3 months) and have started seriously trying to look for some work. I've applied for every 1st/3rd line, networking and security roles I can find on seek and various other websites, which are my main skills/have been my main job roles in my almost 10 years of working in IT. I've also contacted pretty much every IT recruitment company I can find to try and find me something. They seem much less enthusiastic about it here then then do in London, could well just be because it Christmas and there isn't much going on. Can anyone recommend any other course of action I can take, bar continuing to apply and contacting the agencies? I'm on a working holiday as well, so it looks as if my chances are reduced some what. Good luck to everyone looking! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briggs0102 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 "Dunno", he replied. "I'd go and Google it probably"...Thats Really cool...I wish to have Luck in a same way It may be working calling the recruitment companies as I have done, Hays, clicks and so on. They gave me a fair bit of detail of what to expect starting from the lowest first line level I.E 30 - 35 bucks an hour, 9% super and so on. Sorry, not much help but just my 2 cents! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevsan Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 PlanetIT are taking people on at the moment.. Based in Melbourne southbank, the guy across the desk from me contracts via them Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItchyFeet76 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 @Briggs0102 Did you say you're in IT security? What do you do, exactly (if you don't mind my asking)? My husband is seeking 457 sponsorship and the recruiters have expressed lots of interest in him thus far, saying that there's a big market for penetration testers, particularly ones with CREST. Cheers, I-F Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briggs0102 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 PlanetIT are taking people on at the moment.. Based in Melbourne southbank, the guy across the desk from me contracts via them Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk I've taken a look onine for PlanetIT but can't find the Australian website. I've found an international based website, and also found an Australian website called PlanIT. Can you point me in the right direction? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briggs0102 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 @Briggs0102 Did you say you're in IT security? What do you do, exactly (if you don't mind my asking)? My husband is seeking 457 sponsorship and the recruiters have expressed lots of interest in him thus far, saying that there's a big market for penetration testers, particularly ones with CREST. Cheers, I-F Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I've not have a great deal of experience in the Security field, I just have my certifications and also made recommendations to whoever my IT manager was at the time on how to make our network more secure, managing things such as Cisco ASA Firewalls, VPNs, Windows user credentials, security policies and so on. I'd love to get into penetration testing, but I'm not sure I'm experienced enough just yet. Good news to hear your husband is getting lots of interest, always good to hear. My understanding is that Security is one of those on the IT job list for people looking into the 457, mainly in Sydney (Don't quote me on this however!) Best of luck to both yourself and your husband. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItchyFeet76 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 I've heard of PlanIT - maybe this is whom he meant? I recall seeing some jobs by them on Seek last year... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briggs0102 Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 I've heard of PlanIT - maybe this is whom he meant? I recall seeing some jobs by them on Seek last year... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Thanks I had a look but they don't have anything related to my skill set, was worth a look however! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briggs0102 Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 I'm thinking of lodging the 189 visa application but I have no idea if my certifications give me any points for the visa. So far I have: 30 points for me age 10 points for my work experience As it stands I would need another 20 which I can gain from the English exam. Does anyone know if I can gain any points from the following certifications: Cisco CCENT Cisco CCNA Cisco CCNA:Security BTEC IT Diploma in Networking (College level Diploma, level in between High School & University) If I can make up another 10 points some where, it makes the English exam a bit easier! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petal38 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 (edited) Question for Software Developers/Programmers (C#, Java, C++ with experience/knowledge of Adelaide job market Hi folks, We are planning to make the move next year from the North East of England (we have our PR visas) to Adelaide, but want to refresh our research on the job market first. It's hard to do this from the UK in a meaningful way as recruiters are not going to reply to emails etc when we are not yet in Oz, and advertised IT jobs seldom indicate the salary range they are offering. So i'm hoping some of you already working in Adelaide as software developers will be kind enough to share some insight!! My husband works as a Software Developer and has over 12 years experience, the most recent 4 years working as a contractor with his own limited company. He has worked in a variety of sectors including utilities (for the global company G4S), education, public sector (UK Gov Dept), mining and drilling and for retail banking over in Germany. I would be interested to hear from any other software developers already in Adelaide, your experience of the job market within this specific area of IT, and the level of salary for a permanent role with his level of experience, and also, daily rate as a contractor? Many thanks in advance! Edited December 31, 2015 by MaggieMay24 Removed hyperlink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petal38 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Question for Software Developers/Programmers (C#, Java, C++ with experience/knowledge of Adelaide job market Hi folks, We are planning to make the move next year from the North East of England (we have our PR visas) to Adelaide, but want to refresh our research on the job market first. It's hard to do this from the UK in a meaningful way as recruiters are not going to reply to emails etc when we are not yet in Oz, and advertised IT jobs seldom indicate the salary range they are offering. So i'm hoping some of you already working in Adelaide as software developers will be kind enough to share some insight!! My husband works as a Software Developer and has over 12 years experience, the most recent 4 years working as a contractor with his own limited company. He has worked in a variety of sectors including utilities (for the global company G4S), education, public sector (UK Gov Dept), mining and drilling and for retail banking over in Germany. I would be interested to hear from any other software developers already in Adelaide, your experience of the job market within this specific area of IT, and the level of salary for a permanent role with his level of experience, and also, daily rate as a contractor? Many thanks in advance! Would be interested to hear anyone's experience/comments - many thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petal38 Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Would be interested to hear anyone's experience/comments - many thanks! Hello all, would also be interested to hear any insight regarding Melbourne, as this could also be an option for us - thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briggs0102 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Question for Software Developers/Programmers (C#, Java, C++ with experience/knowledge of Adelaide job market Hi folks, We are planning to make the move next year from the North East of England (we have our PR visas) to Adelaide, but want to refresh our research on the job market first. It's hard to do this from the UK in a meaningful way as recruiters are not going to reply to emails etc when we are not yet in Oz, and advertised IT jobs seldom indicate the salary range they are offering. So i'm hoping some of you already working in Adelaide as software developers will be kind enough to share some insight!! My husband works as a Software Developer and has over 12 years experience, the most recent 4 years working as a contractor with his own limited company. He has worked in a variety of sectors including utilities (for the global company G4S), education, public sector (UK Gov Dept), mining and drilling and for retail banking over in Germany. I would be interested to hear from any other software developers already in Adelaide, your experience of the job market within this specific area of IT, and the level of salary for a permanent role with his level of experience, and also, daily rate as a contractor? Many thanks in advance! Just a bit from me, I was advise to make sure you have a good few months rent before you come over so you don't have to wait. I'd also say that recruiters are not as good over here as the UK, maybe it's just because the working culture over here is just a bit more relaxed. You will probably find yourself night after night applying on these website: seek, adzuna & careerone. The most important thing is just be patient and don't worry. I'm on a working holiday visa so it's even more difficult for me. If you have a permanent visa things should be a little easier. You're likely looking at a lower starting salary as well, as people seem to like Australian work experience, don't be surprised if you're looking as low as $28 (about £14) an hour for your first role of 6 months - 1 year. After that you will be in a stronger position. Don't take all this as gospel, just my 2 cents. Cheers, Briggs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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