Slean Wolfhead Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Hi guys, I am thinking about going to Sydney at the start of the new year with a 6 month working VISA, depending if I can get a better picture on the IT job market... I currently work in Infrastructure (Microsoft) for a software company in Belfast, I have been here since finishing University in 2009. I would be keen to make the move but I am obviously cautious about leaving full-time permanent work... Career break scheme, unpaid leave? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mg1867 Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Hi Slean, at the moment it is TBC. The intention however is to probably leave my current job and hopefully settle some roots in Sydney. However, it will depend on my evaluation of the IT job sector in Sydney at that time. What is your experience? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hemangag Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 I'm a BA with 7+ years experience in retail, telecom & insurance..never contracted though...looking @ the occupational ceilings on the DIAC site, it says the Business & Systems Analyst visas are capped @ something like 1800...on some of the stats for last year on the DIAC site it says visas for Computing Professionals (this includes other occupations such as programmers in addition to BSAs) were 5400..I'm guessing these figures are worldwide so was wondering whether this means there's a slow down in demand for for BSAs? there seems to be arguments for and against when you research online but can anyone actually on the ground shed some light on the situation?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slean Wolfhead Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Hi Slean, at the moment it is TBC. The intention however is to probably leave my current job and hopefully settle some roots in Sydney. However, it will depend on my evaluation of the IT job sector in Sydney at that time. What is your experience? Ha...pretty disastrous and soul destroying at times. I've eventually been offered a good job after 4 months of trying but have been waiting 5 weeks for the paperwork now and it's frustrating...business processes are very slow in some areas, plus it's a new financial year and people are juggling new budgets and waiting for approvals. Until i get the contract in my hands I'm not counting chickens, and if it doesn't arrive I may well end up actually counting chickens on a farm or something ! Canberra's a funny place and probably dissimilar to Sydney..mainly public service which requires citizenship for employment as a general rule, they do let a few permanent residents take contract or "non-ongoing" work but other VISA's don't seem to get a look in (I've got PR). Agencies, so far have been in general, awful..hardly call you back, don't want to help. It's possible to get work through agencies with a citizenship waiver for some jobs, but some agencies are not interested in doing the paperwork so just tell you that you're not acceptable, but then another agency will say that you are . It's difficult to work out who's telling you the truth.....do they just want the applications to prove they're good at recruiting, is the job there or not, and are they even interested in you? One PR has managed to get good contract work with the Federal Govt., but her partner couldn't get a job after 100 applications so i think has gone back to college and will be changing careers. Part of the migration process is the ability/opportunity to change careers so I hope it works out for them. Nevertheless I got a good rundown on their experiences so it's lowered expectations. Just getting a foot in the door to be able to prove your worth is the key initial outcome, or as they call it here...a "fair go" ! ITIL is taken quite seriously here and used in selection criteria (even if it's not well practiced in the actual job)...at least a foundation certificate is very useful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afterbang Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Your comments about ACT are much appreciated. My OH has a 176 for ACT. I'm currently employed as (IT Infrastructure) Project Manager at ATOS and a bit in limbo if (and to what degree) citizenship is asked or needed in project management roles or team leader roles. As most of the times you are not supposed to work with real or live data yourself. Any insight would be very useful (ITIL certified (foundation and practitioner) Prince2 certified, MCSE certified) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The T Family Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 (edited) Ha...pretty disastrous and soul destroying at times. I've eventually been offered a good job after 4 months of trying but have been waiting 5 weeks for the paperwork now and it's frustrating...business processes are very slow in some areas, plus it's a new financial year and people are juggling new budgets and waiting for approvals. Until i get the contract in my hands I'm not counting chickens, and if it doesn't arrive I may well end up actually counting chickens on a farm or something ! Canberra's a funny place and probably dissimilar to Sydney..mainly public service which requires citizenship for employment as a general rule, they do let a few permanent residents take contract or "non-ongoing" work but other VISA's don't seem to get a look in (I've got PR). Agencies, so far have been in general, awful..hardly call you back, don't want to help. It's possible to get work through agencies with a citizenship waiver for some jobs, but some agencies are not interested in doing the paperwork so just tell you that you're not acceptable, but then another agency will say that you are . It's difficult to work out who's telling you the truth.....do they just want the applications to prove they're good at recruiting, is the job there or not, and are they even interested in you? One PR has managed to get good contract work with the Federal Govt., but her partner couldn't get a job after 100 applications so i think has gone back to college and will be changing careers. Part of the migration process is the ability/opportunity to change careers so I hope it works out for them. Nevertheless I got a good rundown on their experiences so it's lowered expectations. Just getting a foot in the door to be able to prove your worth is the key initial outcome, or as they call it here...a "fair go" ! ITIL is taken quite seriously here and used in selection criteria (even if it's not well practiced in the actual job)...at least a foundation certificate is very useful. Hi Slean Would this be your first job in Canberra? I have a 176 for ACT and currently learning web/java development. We are considering moving over in 2014 when I should have a couple of years experience in this field. Edited July 5, 2012 by The T Family Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slean Wolfhead Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 Your comments about ACT are much appreciated. My OH has a 176 for ACT. I'm currently employed as (IT Infrastructure) Project Manager at ATOS and a bit in limbo if (and to what degree) citizenship is asked or needed in project management roles or team leader roles. As most of the times you are not supposed to work with real or live data yourself. Any insight would be very useful (ITIL certified (foundation and practitioner) Prince2 certified, MCSE certified) You're well qualified and would tick all the boxes. There are a lot of PMO's here who are out of work, but shortages in Business Analysts, and Testers/Test Management...but then you'd run into the citizenship issue as the projects are normally related to public service transformation, which isn't insurmountable but would preclude work in sensitive areas such as Defence, or Customs which i think ATOS specialise in? Unless ATOS can help with a waiver and transfer you to the Aussie partner...have you explored that as an option? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slean Wolfhead Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 Hi Slean Would this be your first job in Canberra? I have a 176 for ACT and currently learning web/java development. We are considering moving over in 2014 when I should have a couple of years experience in this field. It will be yes (hopefully), not been here that long and I did all the settling in stuff while my partner had the job lined up (she was sponsored for the VISA's). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest adityaranjanpatro Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 (edited) Dear All, Is there any Openings in Oracle Apps Functional for lead role. Please let me know if any. I am having total 7.2 Years of expertise in Oracle Apps SCM and OPM. You can reach me by PM Regards, Aditya Edited July 6, 2012 by adityaranjanpatro removal personal details Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afterbang Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 Thanks for your feedback. So I might tick all the boxes but not the right one (i.e. not a citizen and I'm a PM) My background is Windows Server & Network engineering but to my knowledge these functions require a screening more often then PM work as you will have direct access to sensitve data or components. Most of my expertise is in banking and government and I have been screened from top to bottom and left to right. But that probably doesn't count in Australia. ATOS had, till some months ago no presence in OZ, now that they have taken over Siemens IT they have, will have a look from that perspective. Keep us posted in regards to your experiences, especially as ACT-ers are a rare breed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul2412 Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 I'm an IT contractor (ASP.NET, MVC and SQL Server) on a 417 working holiday visa. I arrived in Sydney on 9th February and started work about 10 days later. I moved to Brisbane on the 4th June and started work 1 week later. The market seems pretty good to me so far, apparently most applicants are from Asia and it's as important here than you fit in culturally as it is that you can technically do the work. This puts Brit's at a distinct advantage. The rates I've had so far are both around $60 per hour. This includes super (9%) so about $55 per hour minus tax. This is about £10 more per hour than I was getting int the UK (north England). I would happily stay here and either continue contracting or go for a more permanent role. The working atmosphere in both places is leagues ahead of anything in the UK, for a start the bosses seem to appreciate you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tDx90 Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 Hey guys, Im pretty sure this is the right thread I need to post in, I hope so atleast. I'm qualified in CCNA & MCSE (Microsoft systems engineering) Currently I'm in Wales, UK but I've been considering strongly a move to Oz. I'll shortly be doing a working holiday out there to get a taste of australian life. I just wanted to know the ins and outs of the prospect of a Networking job in australia, specifically, Melbourne. Wages, ect. Im 21 and a female. I've never been able to get a job in the feild ive specified in, currently I do technical for Virgin Media, what are the propects of working for someone like Telstra? I'm new to this so I'm looking for some good pointers, please & thank you! x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PW1 Posted July 6, 2012 Author Share Posted July 6, 2012 Hello, Well I guess the best thing to do would be to look at the OZ job sites such as SEEK, the last time I looked there appeared to be a few networking jobs. I'm gussing your MSCE is with Windows 2008? The working holiday is a good idea, you have nothing to lose. Regards, P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tDx90 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Hey guys, Just a quick question - is CCNA (Cisco) and MCSE (Microsoft certified systems/network engineering) a recognized qualification in Australia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PW1 Posted July 10, 2012 Author Share Posted July 10, 2012 Hello, In the eye's of the ACS, I believe it is yes. Regards, P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PW1 Posted August 13, 2012 Author Share Posted August 13, 2012 Hello there, Just thought I'd post to see how everyone that has posted is getting on so far? New posters welcome of course! Regards, P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mw291073 Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 Hello there, Just thought I'd post to see how everyone that has posted is getting on so far? New posters welcome of course! Regards, P. Yes, I would also like to hear updates. I was going to head over to Sydney in early Nov, but may be a little too close to Christmas and the slowdown of recruitment, so have decided to apply for jobs from UK Nov, and possibly just go to Sydney in late Jan regardless of whether I had a job lined up or not. I would then take my chances from there. I work in IT Networking - at CCNP level. Anyone else applying remotely? How's the IT job market these days? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish.01 Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 I keep hearing bad things about our local market in Brisbane at the moment. Would avoid if you have choices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graemsay Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 It might be worth having a chat to a few agents or locals. An IT contractor in Sydney was telling me that things are good down there, whereas the UK jobs market has been poor all year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubbe2005 Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 It might be worth having a chat to a few agents or locals. An IT contractor in Sydney was telling me that things are good down there, whereas the UK jobs market has been poor all year. same here in the US, no company is hiring, they just want IT contractors -3-6 months contracts usually. But from what I have observed on seek.com.au there is a mix of I.T contract postions as well as perm positions. I am at Sys admin level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graemsay Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 I've got a friend over in Adelaide, and he reckons that the economy is slowing, as did another who left Melbourne for China a few months back. I get the impression that things are bad in the east and booming in the west, which might affect IT roles, since these tend to be concentrated in Sydney and Melbourne. Contracts aren't bad, as they tend to pay more. At least, they do in the UK. Unfortunately rates are down, and the gaps between them are wider, which makes it a tougher business to be in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubbe2005 Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 (edited) Contractor rates in OZ are higher than here in US. When I am being headhunted by recruiters, they see 7 years solid IT experience but try to put me on a newly IT graduate's rate of around $17 - I tell them 'who the f are you kidding'?! Edited August 20, 2012 by bubbe2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graemsay Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 I'm seeing similar in the UK. There are a lot of Android contract roles offering a contract rate for a very short (typically six week) engagement at a rate that's broadly similar to a graduate developer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish.01 Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 (edited) Contractor rates in OZ are higher than here in US. When I am being headhunted by recruiters, they see 7 years solid IT experience but try to put me on a newly IT graduate's rate of around $17 - I tell them 'who the f are you kidding'?! Really? Graduate would get far more than that in australia, let alone 7 year experienced...that must be why their jeans are so cheap. Edited August 20, 2012 by fish.01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubbe2005 Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 Really? Graduate would get far more than that in australia, let alone 7 year experienced...that must be why their jeans are so cheap. yep i'm serious, US IT market is not good right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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