Unbelievable - Micky Mouse Judge

[Guest The Greens]

I can’t believe the story today on the news here about the little Aboriginal girl in Queensland who aged 10 was raped by a group of 9 well, so called “men” and the judge (a woman) did not imprison them, giving them suspended sentences, even though they had pleaded guilty. :no: This story has horrified me. I’m reading the story on the web in complete disbelief. As someone who was never able to have children, this story is so upsetting, horrific.

 

 

What was this woman thinking? A little girl’s life has been ruined, the culprits plead guilty and she just let’s them off with a telling off and a slap on the wrist. I have read many posts on this site where many of us have complained about the way society in England has been allowed to decay and fall apart, where anti social behaviour is rife and respect for anyone in authority is almost non existent. This story is something I would expect to hear about in Britain, but I can’t believe it that it has happened in Oz. Frightening is not the word. It’s just like the many social service cases of incompetency we always hear about here, but for a woman judge to do that is beyond belief. Someone there should do something about this judge, and if the new PM is going to apologise to the indigenous communities about past wrongdoings, surely some intervention could take place to redirect this case and slaughter the b*****ds responsible.

 

 

Who knows, but at least I guess the new speeding cameras are all taking shape all over Brisbane which will help the Busy’s :policeman: catch more speeding criminals and allow the Aussie’s to raise more money, aah they got that right then!! (oh just like home – how nice). The phrase - Same horse different jockey come’s to mind. Hang you head in Shame Australia.

 

EMMY :shocked:

[keily]

I TOTALLY AGREE EMMY ... THAT IS DISGUSTING !

ITS BAD ENOUGH THAT ONE PERSON COMMITED THIS CRIME .. BUT NINE .. THATS BEYOND COMPRHENSION . JAIL WOULD NOT EVEN BE ENOUGH FOR THESE B******S I WOULD CUT OFF THEIR BO*****S

I WONDER IF THE SENTENCE WOULD HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT IF IT HAD BEEN A WHITE AUSTRALIAN ???

MRS KEILY

[Guest Madai and Paula]

I totally agree. I remember reading somewhere here that they were questioning whether a woman whose drunk can give consent so please tell me how they expect us to believe that a woman who has consumed too much alcohol cannot give consent but a 10 year old can. ITS TOTAL MADNESS

Paula

 

 

 

 

[Guest Mrs Braveheart]

I couldn't agree with you s more its disgusting. There is a big kick up in Australia about this & no wonder:arghh: The judge said she probably consented !!!! They are calling for the judge to be sacked. The new PM has said he is disgusted by the outcome and the sad thing is that all 9 men can now go back to their homes & the poor girl has been placed in foster care away from her family :arghh: I thought it was only the UK that has a crap system but hey they aint alone.

 

Janette

[Guest Ian Laverick]

That is scandalous - lets hope that somebody with some sense can review this and overturn the verdict.

 

This is no petty crime we are talking about - lets hope they hav'nt ran out of prison spaces like in blighty !

 

My wife and I are hoping for a better life in oz for our family, including 2 x girls.

These sick individuals should be peeled and rolled in salt ... or does that make me a sick individual ?

[Guest Mrs Braveheart]

Hi Ian

 

No it doesn't make you a sick individual I think we all feel the same about this one.

 

Seemingly the legal officer who urged the judge not to pass sentence has stepped down pending an inquiry I hope the judge is next.

 

Rape victim may not recover | NEWS.com.au

 

Janette

[calNgary]

On the radio news yesterday it was saying what the judge had said '''its basically youths experimenting''!!!! this judge is a not right and if anybody dared to ''experiment '' with my kids they wouldnt live to see a judge!!! im sure we will hear lots more about this case.

Cal x

[Guest Ian Laverick]

Thanks for that Janette

 

And the judge thinks this was kids experimenting ?!

Kids may be expected to experiment with alcohol - put that down to kids wanting to see what its like to have a drink before legal age ...

 

There aint no legal age for rape

This behaviour Is not socially acceptable, and I am sure that it says somewhere that its against the law ?!?!?!

 

Your right Cal - I am sure we will hear a lot more about this !

[Guest fatpom]

I can’t believe the story today on the news here about the little Aboriginal girl in Queensland who aged 10 was raped by a group of 9 well, so called “men” and the judge (a woman) did not imprison them, giving them suspended sentences, even though they had pleaded guilty. :no: This story has horrified me. I’m reading the story on the web in complete disbelief. As someone who was never able to have children, this story is so upsetting, horrific.

 

 

What was this woman thinking? A little girl’s life has been ruined, the culprits plead guilty and she just let’s them off with a telling off and a slap on the wrist. I have read many posts on this site where many of us have complained about the way society in England has been allowed to decay and fall apart, where anti social behaviour is rife and respect for anyone in authority is almost non existent. This story is something I would expect to hear about in Britain, but I can’t believe it that it has happened in Oz. Frightening is not the word. It’s just like the many social service cases of incompetency we always hear about here, but for a woman judge to do that is beyond belief. Someone there should do something about this judge, and if the new PM is going to apologise to the indigenous communities about past wrongdoings, surely some intervention could take place to redirect this case and slaughter the b*****ds responsible.

 

 

Who knows, but at least I guess the new speeding cameras are all taking shape all over Brisbane which will help the Busy’s :policeman: catch more speeding criminals and allow the Aussie’s to raise more money, aah they got that right then!! (oh just like home – how nice). The phrase - Same horse different jockey come’s to mind. Hang you head in Shame Australia.

 

EMMY :shocked:

 

I wouldn't normally defend bad judges and prosecutors for bad decisions but I can't help feeling that judges in aboriginal communities are put in an impossible position having to dance somewhere between "traditional law" and "white mans law".

 

Its difficult, who's law predominates... the original law or the "white mans law"?

 

Who is to say what the original law is? its not written but that doesn't necessarily make it irrelevant. Many say traditional law should be disregarded in all cases but the original owners of this land see it differently?

 

Under 'our law' this girl cannot consent but under traditional law this may not be so clear cut? For example there is no age of consent in Japan (as I understand it?), so if the incident happened there (in Japan) as its been described by the media then probably no law would have been broken? Are we to tell the Japanese or anyone else to change their laws just because we disagree with them?

 

Don't jump to the conclusion I'm condoning the incident or the judgement because I'm definitely not!!!

I just think its very difficult for the law enforcement and justice officers in some of these 'traditional owners' areas.

 

Australia has no need to 'hang its head in shame". Its no better, no worse than anywhere else, some of problems are different certainly but not exactly unique either.

[Guest afiyafifi]

Oh the poor child , its bad enough when an adult gets raped by one person let alone a 10 year old child by nine men. It just turns my stomach that these men got off scot free . The judge should be sacked for this its disgusting .... karen

[Guest The Greens]

Thanks for explaining the incident to me Fatpom. I truly am a dumb blond :wacko: I had just watched the TV and read a bit on the Internet and clearaly jumped to the wrong conclusion, probably being influenced by the fact that the little girl was only aged 10, and 9 blokes had a go at her. I didn't even realise the incident had taken place in Japan.

 

But your explanation does clear things up for me, and we can not set the law in Japan ourselves, thats up to the Japanese people.

 

Also may I apologise for the flipant remark I made "hang your head in shame Australia". Gosh, us girls, we do let our emtions get inviolved don't we.! I wouldn't want to accuse the Country we all hope to move too of getting anything wrong, maybe sometimes 2 wrongs do make a right. Maybe we should all look at it from the judges point of view, it must have been a very difficult case to weigh up and decide upon, between "our law" (?) traditional law (?) and Japanese law. Imagine how difficult it must have been for her to interpret all that and come to a decision.

 

Your right when you say Australia has no need to hang its head in shame. I realise that now thanks to you explaining it to me.

 

"Hold Your Head up High Australia"

EMMY

[Guest John Sydney]

With All stories reported in the Media there is two sides - Not that i am sticking up for the judge.

You have to remember Australia as been bending over backwards to be PC correct with dealing with the Aborigines - which has lead to some weight been given to so called "tribal Law "

For years now there has been a push to say "Sorry" for the treatment of Aborigines more 50 -60 years ago - So anyone who wanted one law for all people in Australia is shouted down as a racist

 

This PC approach has not worked the Aborigines are in a worst position today than what they were before

 

But times are a changing

[Guest Rachel&Stu]

 

Its difficult, who's law predominates... the original law or the "white mans law"?

 

Who is to say what the original law is? its not written but that doesn't necessarily make it irrelevant. Many say traditional law should be disregarded in all cases but the original owners of this land see it differently?

 

Under 'our law' this girl cannot consent but under traditional law this may not be so clear cut?

 

I'm sorry, but I am obviously missing something here:wideeyed:

 

Quite clearly if there is a law that says that a 10 year old child can consent to sexual intercourse with 9 adult males, than that law is completely and utterly bloody wrong.:arghh:

 

I think that is very clear cut.

 

Rachel

 

[Guest Nick'n'Trish]

Thanks for explaining the incident to me Fatpom. I truly am a dumb blond :wacko: I had just watched the TV and read a bit on the Internet and clearaly jumped to the wrong conclusion, probably being influenced by the fact that the little girl was only aged 10, and 9 blokes had a go at her. I didn't even realise the incident had taken place in Japan.

 

But your explanation does clear things up for me, and we can not set the law in Japan ourselves, thats up to the Japanese people.

 

Also may I apologise for the flipant remark I made "hang your head in shame Australia". Gosh, us girls, we do let our emtions get inviolved don't we.! I wouldn't want to accuse the Country we all hope to move too of getting anything wrong, maybe sometimes 2 wrongs do make a right. Maybe we should all look at it from the judges point of view, it must have been a very difficult case to weigh up and decide upon, between "our law" (?) traditional law (?) and Japanese law. Imagine how difficult it must have been for her to interpret all that and come to a decision.

 

Your right when you say Australia has no need to hang its head in shame. I realise that now thanks to you explaining it to me.

 

"Hold Your Head up High Australia"

EMMY

 

 

Hi, Emmy you're so right to feel angry!!

Sadly this disgusting crime did occur on Aussie soil, at Cape York (which is just south of Cairns.) Many ‘white’ people who live there but its mainly outback and lands belong to different Aboriginal groups (eg The Injinoo People, the Mapoon and Aurukun People to name few).

 

As mentioned in an earlier posting, unfortunately Aboriginals are caught between Western life and their traditional life. You can’t ‘partially’ Westernize a culture but government have tried so are damned if they do and damned if they don’t - that’s NO excuse whatsoever for the disgusting comments and sentencing by the female judge (who I swear is an alien in human skin ‘cos no woman would condone such crime.)

 

The Australian Law states that no one below the age of 16 can consent to sexual intercourse and Queensland has the same law so in theory as a Crown Judge she should uphold the Australian law. BUT, as she is a great believer in rehabilitation and not punishment AND Aboriginal man's right to have sex with an underage girl being a 40,000-year-old traditional practice - she failed the Crown and the little girl. (Oh for the record, the traditional practice of underage sex is an old old law when the families offered their underage daughters as wives under the protection of the female elders, to older men in exchange for something... which has been distorted over the centuries - NOT an authority to rape)

 

Also this child victim was already in ‘white’ foster care before this abhorrent offence occurred (due to the same offence, different offenders). This is probably why it was reported to police, therefore goes through the Aussie judicial system. And as we all agree, has let this little girl down big time!

 

One thing is for sure (having been a copper in SA for several years and working with the Aboriginal Community) I have no doubt the Aboriginals WILL take traditional law into their own hands and these b……..s will wish they’d have been taken to jail!! Aboriginal women are the law keepers and their men are the enforcers!!

 

ps it probably won’t be reported by media as this might appear to give the green light to society to take things into their own hands if not happy with court outcomes.

 

Enough waffle, its 2am time for bed.

 

Trish :SLEEP:

[Guest fatpom]

"Hold Your Head up High Australia"

EMMY

 

No worries I agree and understand your anger. My personal view is its time to put aside traditional law only for purely practical reasons.

How can anyone police a society whereby they're not sure where the boundaries lie? Many would disagree with this view for probably good reasons.

 

I have no sympathy for the 9 males at all but it seems that we're crucifying the judge and prosecutor who are simply trying to do their job in difficult circumstances.

 

If they were the 'hanging judge types' there would have been riots long ago (similar to the Palm island incident) and so they would have come under fire for that. My point is the poor bastards just can't win. They've been named, shamed and their careers are in tatters yet I don't think they've been guilty of anything except maybe making this time the wrong judgement in a situation where the goal posts constantly move?.

 

Incidently Noel Pearson (snr aboriginal leader) is alleged to have said the incident is not that unusual with up to 80 cases per month of alleged child abuse (channel 9 news - so it must be true?). He is calling for these children to be taken into care. This would take us back to 'the stolen generation'. The stolen generation is where the authorities took thousands of aboriginal children from their parents right up until the 1970's. A process rightly condemned now.

 

By the way when you called the Judge "micky mouse" did you realise you were paying a complement? Look it up.

Australian slang dictionary

[Guest kdal]

Sickening news it really is who in their right mind can think this to be right!

 

My cousin has worked with the Aborignies helping to teach them new skills, they lived amongst the Aborignies for some years there is alot that goes on that would shock us. When my cousin had there first child they stayed on at the sight until she was about 3 years old and then decided to give the work up as they did not want to put their daughter at risk once she started school, apparently lots of the children were sexsually active from a young age. Shocking I know

 

Poor little girl in the news, my heart goes out to her

[Quoll]

I tend to go along with Noel Pearson on this one. This poor kid was not only raped at 10 but she had been raped in that community at age 7. She contracted a venereal disease as a result. She was then placed into foster care with a white family - where she was safe and cared for. The two PC social workers decided that this was a new "stolen generation" and returned her to the community where she originally suffered the abuse. This kid would have been better off "stolen" IMHO. All the money and polticially correct claptrap that has been directed at indigenous communities has done absolutely nothing to protect the kids or see them have the opportunities to grow that they should have. It doesnt matter if a kid is black, white or ginger pink, if they are subject to that sort of experience, we should remove them!

[Guest traybears]

I THINK (ALONG WITH EVERYONE ELSE) ITS JUST WRONG BY ANY ONES STANDANDS.IF IT WAS MY CHILD THESE SO CALL MEN WOULDN'T LIVE WITHOUT A DOUBT! IT DOESN'T GET MUCH WORSE,DOES IT.

[Guest fatpom]

I tend to go along with Noel Pearson on this one. This poor kid was not only raped at 10 but she had been raped in that community at age 7. She contracted a venereal disease as a result. She was then placed into foster care with a white family - where she was safe and cared for. The two PC social workers decided that this was a new "stolen generation" and returned her to the community where she originally suffered the abuse. This kid would have been better off "stolen" IMHO. All the money and polticially correct claptrap that has been directed at indigenous communities has done absolutely nothing to protect the kids or see them have the opportunities to grow that they should have. It doesnt matter if a kid is black, white or ginger pink, if they are subject to that sort of experience, we should remove them!

 

Yes, I have some sympathy with your point of view but having met one of the "stolen white generation" and heard his story and also worked closely with several aboriginals and heard their point of view (remember the great vast majority of aboriginals are decent law abiding individuals) I'm simply not so sure its right to remove the children unless no other avenue exists.

Solve 'the root cause not the symptom' would be better - that is punish the abuser not the abused whatever the political fallout. Just my view:) easy for me to say it, I'm not accountable.

[Quoll]

Yes, I have some sympathy with your point of view but having met one of the "stolen white generation" and heard his story and also worked closely with several aboriginals and heard their point of view (remember the great vast majority of aboriginals are decent law abiding individuals) I'm simply not so sure its right to remove the children unless no other avenue exists.

Solve 'the root cause not the symptom' would be better - that is punish the abuser not the abused whatever the political fallout. Just my view:) easy for me to say it, I'm not accountable.

 

Sadly, it is often those nearest and dearest to children who are abused who do the abusing. I too have worked with kids who have been abused - repeatedly, some of them - and seen the damage that continually returning them to abusive environments can do. With the best will in the world, it is rare that authorities can engage people who are naturally abusive into working with them to change that behaviour.

 

I am not advocating removing kids just because they happen to belong to indigenous parents or single parents or even (and though I do sometimes wish the authorities would) drug using parents. When a child has been abused as seriously as this little girl has, when those supposedly caring for her are unable or unwilling to do anything to stop it then removal is really the only humane solution. (Apparently, too, this little one has foetal alcohol syndrome which has lead to an intellectual impairment - the cards were stacked against her from the moment of conception!)

 

What happened to kids in the early-mid 1900s - both black and white kids, remember - was appalling in hindsight but at the time it was thought to be "good for the kids" to offer them a better chance than it was perceived that they would have had if they had stayed where they are. That isnt what we are talking about here at all. There is absolutely no room for political correctness in cases like these!

[Guest The Greens]

Sadly, it is often those nearest and dearest to children who are abused who do the abusing. I too have worked with kids who have been abused - repeatedly, some of them - and seen the damage that continually returning them to abusive environments can do. With the best will in the world, it is rare that authorities can engage people who are naturally abusive into working with them to change that behaviour.

 

I am not advocating removing kids just because they happen to belong to indigenous parents or single parents or even (and though I do sometimes wish the authorities would) drug using parents. When a child has been abused as seriously as this little girl has, when those supposedly caring for her are unable or unwilling to do anything to stop it then removal is really the only humane solution. (Apparently, too, this little one has foetal alcohol syndrome which has lead to an intellectual impairment - the cards were stacked against her from the moment of conception!)

 

What happened to kids in the early-mid 1900s - both black and white kids, remember - was appalling in hindsight but at the time it was thought to be "good for the kids" to offer them a better chance than it was perceived that they would have had if they had stayed where they are. That isnt what we are talking about here at all. There is absolutely no room for political correctness in cases like these!

 

Hi Quoll,

 

I think you have really summed the situation up brilliantly. There is no room for Political correctness in a case like this. It's the old saying, "You can't defend the undefendable" and this certainly is UNDEFENDABLE. As for the verdict and the judge, well!! What sort of a message has her summing up and verdict given to people. A few people here in our village in the UK who know we are moving over there have raised the case with us, and have been laughing at the judge and making a few remarks and jokes about Australia, the usual banter, hey we dismiss those remarks with the contempt they deserve.

 

I think we should close this sad post now, I started it (and I'm sorry I did) and I'd like to close it. I would just like to finish by saying the judge and those like her who apply any degree of political correctness to this case are the type of people we hope to leave behind in the UK. The type who used to be known in days gone bye a as "My Jobs worth" people who stuck to red tape for fear of losing their jobs, always wearing a hat with a badge. :policeman:

Today we see them as Politically Correct dudes, typical examples being the Health and Safety inspectors who make everyone's life more difficult because they can, like the guy last week who told the lollipop lady at school she can't wear Christmas decorations and outfit this year, even though she's been wearing it at Christmas for years, and the kids love it.

 

These people are at the core to the problem, that has lead to the "Great" being taken out of Britain. We are just hoping Australia does not go the same way.:nah:

 

Cheers for Now,

EMMY