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Not sure about massive unrest Jim, we are all to weak to complain and march for what we believe in, take forums for instance and people like me who moan about how i want things to be and what everyone else is doing wrong but i never do anything about it because i wouldn't know where to start, politicians will take advantage of that and just do what they please and that is one of the reasons we are in the poo, we as the people who hold the country up and pay for everything are to afraid to stand up and be counted. I am starting this thread for several reasons, firstly the above sentiment that was posted by Andy on a completely different thread, Andy you have my admiration and I applaud you mate. You were honest, educated and totally unbiased in your opinion mate.:notworthy: I realise that a lot of us have very, very, busy lives, careers, kids, worrying about money etc, are all integral parts of us as human being beings, especially in these troubled times, but Andy has summed a lot of what is wrong with this country at the moment. To use the word lazy would be wrong to describe peoples attitude to this country, it is rather a case of apathy, a sense that no matter what is said and done by the vast majority of people in this country then nothing will change. I can understand this point of view completely, to even think that OUR opinion will be taken notice of is to some degree farcical and beyond our imaginations, but the truth is simply this. That if enough of us took direct action then things will change. By direct action I am not speaking of breaking the law, more the ability to stand up and be counted and MAKE sure the authorities of this once great country sit up and take notice of the people they are MEANT to serve.\ For far too long the powers that be have ridden rough shod over the populous of this country and the reason is simply this. That when we do not like something there is barely a whimper from certain quarters that in the grand scheme of things just get shoved to the back of what is going on and little notice is taken. It could be argued that we can all have our say when there is a general election, but in truth only 65% of people even voted in the last election, AND over the past twenty years that figure has not changed to any great degree. That equates to over 18 million people of voting age did not vote for a party that for all intents and purpose was going to tell us what to do for the next five years. Andy also said that he wouldn't know where to start, and this is a sentiment I couldn't agree with more. My own 'action' has been over the past year to form my own political party in the hope that it will bring about change. It has been a loooonnnnggggg drawn out process. The paperwork needed by the Electoral Commission is immense, rather akin to trying to submit an application to DIAC for emigration. To ask anyone to form a political party is a step too far, but there are other avenues we can take, letters to MP's, marches, flyers, the list is endless. And yes I realise that to do such things can seem to troublesome to worry about. As I said, we ALL have very busy lives, BUT. Until we as a people realise that the government, (ANY GOVERNMENT) will choose to ignore us, admonish themselves of ALL responsibility etc, until the people shout and scream from the rooftops then NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING will ever change. The time has come people to tell those in power that purport to lead us that we will have our point of view heard then we will continue to go round in circles and once we will find ourselves completely devoid of having a say in this countries future. It is very often the case that some of us only take up arms and complain when it affects us very personal. Instance like your local hospital being closed down, another death by knife crime in our neighborhood. Then you will often find that the locals of the affected community may ask for some sort of action to be taken. But at the end of the day we have to look at these types of things on a NATIONAL scale, just because it isn't happening in your neck of the woods does not mean that it is right. Local issues are all well and good, but the bigger picture is simply this. Until we as a people look at the real issues on a NATIONAL scale nothing will ever change at all. The country we inhabit is just that, a country. One that we should all have a say in on a very personal level. Surely there must be enough of us in this country that can make a difference, until this is done nothing, for better or worse nothing is ever going to change. Cheers Tony:mad::wink: