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  1. Dusty Plains

    Australian and UK Covid Responses

    I guess it must be that a point of view can be sourced from a variety of references. My reference is here: • COVID-19 deaths per capita by country | Statista You can check it out if you like. I am not interested in having a pointless discussion about people dying.
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    Australian and UK Covid Responses

    Yes, but will the Ashes go ahead?
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    Australian and UK Covid Responses

    If you could have attached my post to your post, where I was somehow "pretending", then we could discuss. Going on your isolated post, and not that it matters, Australia never signed an agreement 40 million doses of Pfizer. Also there was never a 12 month schedule agreed upon. It made instead incremental orders of 10 million Pfizer doses months apart and subsequently an order of 20 million Pfizer doses. In October 2020 Australia established a pre-purchase agreement for 51 million doses of the Novavax vaccine. The logic at the time was to have a spread of vaccination options. Being wise long after the event, is easy, but it is likely that if Australia had known at the time ( October 2020) that Novavax would be subject to delay then it would most likely have gone with an increased order for Pfizer. Novavax has since not been able to fulfill our order due to a number issues, but it is expected that our 51 million order will be honoured for delivery by the end of 2021 or early 2022. No one has suggested that 40 million doses would "suddenly arrive in" Australia.
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    Australian and UK Covid Responses

    Not at all. I am just one of the majority of Australians who are happy (more or less) to go with current governments on the basis of how they have handled the situation. You are obviously not, and I still therefore cannot see your point. If you had suggested an alternative government approach, or an alternative government other than that currently running the show then lets hear it. We are banned from discussing politics. I agree. But I also agree that Covid and the efforts to counter the impact of Covid are inseparable, It just so happens that federal and state governments ARE the efforts to counter the impact of covid, through their various departments of health, police, welfare, public information, logistics etc. Its not a party versus party politic and no government leader has all the answers and so they delegate most of the decision making to their senior officers. Victoria, for instance has a single Covid Commander, an apolitical bureaucrat. So the strategies emanate from the non-political bureaucracy. When I see the rocks being thrown by Mc Gowan et al then that is mere politics, and unhelpful at that.
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    Australian and UK Covid Responses

    Pfizer is not in short supply at the moment due to our PM making deals with other countries.. AZ is not in short supply. Our daughter in WA went for a skin cancer scan today. Even though she did not anticipate being offered a vaccine dose, yet while there on matters related to skin cancer, she was offered AZ, or Pizer as there had been 19 cancellations at that particular clinic on the day. The doctor at the clinic put the cancellations down to people preferring to receive the Moderna vaccination now becoming available. Those people had obviously intended to come to the clinic but had decided to go with the Moderna vaccination. I don't think that Australians have anything to be scared about as long as they are committed to being vaccinated. If I was living in the UK? Now that is scary.
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    Australian and UK Covid Responses

    McGowan speak.
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    Australian and UK Covid Responses

    What part of the roll out was a "joke"? You do realise of course that to have a roll-out to begin with, then there needs to be some sort of commodity to actually "roll out". It needs to be sitting in significant pallet loads on the tarmacs at major airports in Australia, flight after flight, and in bulk cargo proportions. So then send in the fork lift trucks and start packing the "commodity" into transport and logistic systems nation wide. That is a rollout. Unfortunately this has never occurred. There was never any commodity to be trucked to any great degree commensurate with the 40 Million doses of Pfizer that the Morrison government had made under an agreement with Pfizer over the course of 2020. Pfizer ( Belgium) mostly abandoned Australia and its 40 million unit orders as placed by the Morrison government with Pfizer Belgium up to, and now going onto 13 months ago. Accordingly, in the vacuum, we have had to barter with other countries who have a surplus of Pfizer immunisation stocks. Those countries include, Poland, Singapore and the UK, all flooded with Pfizer stocks to the extent that they will do a deal with Australia. With these facts in mind, Pfizer has clearly abandoned Australia and so we have to beg borrow and steal from countries that were obviously favoured by Pfizer Belgium. And yet you actually think that it was a Liberal government conspiracy in holding back immunisation stocks for the Newcastle area for being a predominantly Labor enclave Hillarious.
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    The truth on Perth?!

    Good question. What actually is a progressive outlook? Well let's see. Why are there regulated alcohol outlets in both Tennant Creek and Alice Springs? Why are the alcohol outlets in Tennant Creek basically cages with Police inside the cage and the locals on the outside? Cunnamulla is SW Queensland has two hotels and they are also cages. Why is that? My experiences as both a government officer and subsequently as a tourist reminds me of all those places I have worked in or spent some time in certain towns where NONE of the "progressive outlook" is self-evident, as much as anyone might try to find it. In Tennant Creek NT, if 50% of all children within school age actually attend school, then that is something to celebrate in TC. Why is that? Similar problems occur at nearly every whistle stop down the Stuart Highway through the NT heading toward South Australia. Then there is Ceduna SA (also an alcohol-restricted town). Wilcannia NSW where at the local petrol station there are signs everywhere warning customers to lock their vehicles when paying for fuel. The ruse at the Wilcannia petrol station was that if you left your keys in the ignition of an unlocked car, when you return to your vehicle you might encounter youths who hang around the petrol station and have your car keys dangling over the grating of a deep drain. They will return your car keys to you for a fee of $50. Then there is Dubbo, ( riots in the Gordon (state) Housing estate several years ago which saw approximately up to 10 houses every night set on fire with firefighters and Police being attacked by youths. Their progressive outlook? It was the Australia Day weekend and so the "locals" were pissed off. I was there, ducking, rocks, stones, roof tiles and anything else that could be thrown. I had to replace two emergency vehicles as they were smashed beyond serviceable condition. Yet there were no arson charges ever made, no charges made relating to affray, assault, or damaging property including government property. So what is this progressive outlook? Here is my definition: Get up in the morning and prepare your children for school. Pack healthy lunches for your children. Head off to your job, work hard and pay your taxes. Stop being a burden on the taxpayers, and mostly stop being some sort of "victim". You are not a victim,. There are no generational victims in Australia, so drop the victim ploy and start being a contributor to Australia. Obey the law and work hard to ensure that your children have brighter prospects that you do. Now that is a progressive outlook, for everyone.
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    Australian and UK Covid Responses

    How did Gladys ever want to be like the UK?
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    I know no one will care but...........

    That's really a very, very desirable collection. I subsequently dived in to my vinyl and found: The Man Who Sold the World - David Bowie ( I bought in the 70's, I think) Can't Buy a Thrill - Steely Dan (early 70's) Tattoo You - The Rolling Stones and great drumming by Charlie Watts (early 80s) Selling England By the Pound - Genesis, with Peter Gabriel, ( mid 70s) Machine Head - Deep Purple (early 70s) Slade Alive (early 70s) Electric Ladyland -Jimi Hendrix ( Late 60s)
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    Australian and UK Covid Responses

    ( Pretext No1 : This not a political post.) Thanks for that Kungfustu. You may be surprised that currently, things are working reasonably well here in Australia, given the challenges we have had to face, especially and noticeably that we are now starting to see vaccination stocks coming in to the country in effective volumes. Its been a while but there is movement at the station. The same cannot reasonably be said for most countries, including therefore, the UK which has had far greater access to vaccination doses than Australia and yet the UK seems to be unfortunately struggling compared to Australia. The UK has different tactics to those here, noticeably the lack of any effective internal border strategy, to the extent that Australia has implemented hard borders and they have been quite effective. Only recently did we see on the media, large aircraft unloading pallet loads of vaccination stocks coming into Australia. That is something that we have not seen for 12 months or so. In the meantime however we have been surviving largely on locally produced AZ Vaccine coupled with both continental and state border closures. ( Pretext No2, this is in fact political, but only from a voter's point of view) There will be a number of state elections within the next 18 months. Some later than that and also a Federal Election possibly within the next 12 months. On the basis of how the vast majority of us are actually still alive and still arguing the point, I predict that the voters will stick with the status quo. Better the devil you know, than the devil you don't know in the midst of the greatest social challenge ever to be thrust upon the population. My view? I will vote for any party that maintains a strict continental border that serves ONLY the safety and security of people living here. I guess over there in the UK you will just have to get used to how we do things here.
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    Australian and UK Covid Responses

    What facts? UK facts? What are those? And why are those?
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    Australian and UK Covid Responses

    "The strict measures aren't going to go away for you!" Hmmm. Maybe I was patient zero after all and just did not know it !! That explains a lot.
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    Australian and UK Covid Responses

    Good, and good on you for saying so. Lets get away from politics, and hear instead about the real issues, such as those relating to mental health and general health during a pandemic. Are you, or a person close to you, associated with the programs at both John Hunter or the Mater Hospital?
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    Australian and UK Covid Responses

    Yet another political post. They just keep coming. Surely we have moved on from State Premiers as either a source for comment or as a source for argument. Why aren't we banning these political posts?
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    Australian and UK Covid Responses

    Unfortunately it is a fact, Harsh? Yes. I would prefer not to make the comparison but if others do then they are only highlighting the truth.
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    Australian and UK Covid Responses

    Correct. But we pass it on to other double vaxxed, people and they pass it back onto us and the result is ..........neutral. The 80% crowd are no longer clogging up the health and hospital system. The unvaxxed will still be stuck at home and for the more adventurous of those unvaxxed they may wish to mix with the "80%, at their peril, hence only the 80% will be admitted. Yes, strict measures will inevitably persist as they should, but primarily, such measures will account for the unvaxxed, and far less so, the vaxxed.
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    Australian and UK Covid Responses

    Exactly. The measure (even though I will apologise for that crass statistic of mortality rates) is ultimately a measure of how a single national government overall, or otherwise, protects its citizens. Lets not go there on an Australia vs the UK basis, please. Its not pretty at all.
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    Australian and UK Covid Responses

    Can I make a suggestion? Covid has everyone talking and that is likely to be a conversational topic now and in the future and across many discussion threads in as many forums on the internet. We are all, no doubt nervous, to be frank, and we like to either seek other posters in terms of how they see the greatest threat to the world, and how they have opinions. and how they perceive both the immediate future and the longer view, when it comes to Covid-19. This being a discussion forum in relation to a subject that the world has ever had to have encounter, and so of course, it can be a robust discourse, unavoidably, because people are looking not necessarily for answers, but simply an opportunity to seek the experiences of others, and that is the consolation for them. That is what a discussion forum should be. There is no consolation to be found in the political sense however. Unfortunately it is less the personable experiences and more the public tete-a-tete between Australian states, and Australia against the world generally which have been the hallmark of discussions here on PIO. Back to making a suggestion. Can we please hear posters' personal views, experiences and especially reporting on how PIO posters are coping and how PIO irrespective of state borders and actually how they feel and how they perceive their future? Can we drop the rush to quote a variety of "news" sources to back up arguments. I would suggest a ban here on media references, given that such sources are not necessarily news to any of us. Can we please continue to at least express our apolitical feelings on the subject matter. Let's face it, we could be reduced to discussing The Worlds Most International Chocolate Bar, as current
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    Australian and UK Covid Responses

    Political ?? You bet it is.
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    Australian and UK Covid Responses

    Political ??? Absolutely. Note the tag "smh.com.au/politics"
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    Australian and UK Covid Responses

    It looks promising for NSW residents who, at some time in mid October, will migrate to the 70% double vaxxed larger cluster and we hopefully will be somewhat free on the Monday following the achievement of a 70% double vaccination in NSW. Obviously at this stage, the 70% is hopeful, but as much as it is achievable, and so perhaps Monday 18 October 2021 is being touted as a rubbery sort of benchmark when we will be able to go to restaurants, pubs, and other businesses, shopping etc. NSW has already calculated, and this interests me particularly, that other states will eventually come on line in 2022 when 70% fully vaxxed . In the case of WA, from what has been assessed, it looks like there may be the opportunity for us to visit our Westie family in April/May 2022. We can wait. I am not sure whether we can get into Queensland anytime soon to see my mother and my brother's family who have been living on the Gold Coast for 35 years or so. My mother will be 91 on Sunday and she is as sharp as a tack and still typically argumentative, always asking me "what are you doing with your life?" I hope to see her sooner than later..
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    Australian and UK Covid Responses

    Although, the Palmer case was largely focussed on challenging certain provisions of the WA Emergency Management Act and the powers afforded to Police etc during an emergency.
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    Australian and UK Covid Responses

    Can you imagine that gibbering Albo, who spent the majority of the Covid outbreak, sunning himself up in a beach in Queensland and allowing Bill Shorten, of all people, to make national media statements in relation to Covid 19? That would make me and my drover's dog equally entitled to make similar statements nationally. Its the choice for Labor voters between a gibbering fool on one hand and a reject comprehensively trounced in the last election. Oh dear.
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    Australian and UK Covid Responses

    I also think that I, as a resident in NSW, and with its monumental vaccination rate, is there ( and therefore) could I possibly invoke the Australian Constitution (s 117)? Not that I would of course but only as a conversational matter here on PIO. Citizens of Australia are individually protected by the Australian Constitution, whereas in this case, states are not. In fact states get pretty well beaten up under the Australian Constitution. Section 117 of the Australian Constitution provides, whereby, a subject of the Queen, resident in any State, shall not be subject in any other State to any disability or discrimination (my highlight) which would not be equally applicable to him if he were a subject of the Queen resident in such other state. That means that if I come from South Australia and I go to Queensland, Queensland cannot discriminate by excluding me from entering the state of Qld, for instance. This also means that I, and you, can drive interstate and the Police in each state cannot discriminate against you or my, drivers license. It also means that WA cannot discriminate against people from the eastern states crossing into WA or to Tasmania etc, Does that exclude current events? Is a constitution overridden by current events? Very Unlikely. Why cannot I get in my car and drive to WA tomorrow (for instance)? Do I have a constitutional right to do so? Yes, but only if WA discriminates against me and that is what WA is doing at the moment. The again, I do not want to be locked up in WA pending constitutional legal advice which could take years to resolve. So I just face time with the grandchildren in from NSW to WA. That's cheaper than a lawyer.
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