chaseyoung

3 hours ago, sharonp53 said:

Please understand that my reply is not designed to be rude, or nasty. You asked a question and ai want to give you an honest answer.

First thing is that Australia is currently a very different place than the country I knew back in the 80s. It is currently a very divided society and one that looks readily for scapegoats. It is not a comfortable place to be different. Hanson is a symbol of what is wrong. The government is very pro-China, which while the focus is on a different group is fine. But nothing lasts, and Hanson is a symptom of a wider discomfort in Australia and no ethnic or religious group is immune.

Having a family member who lives with Chinese-born person, I would say the real question is will you adapt to life in Australia?

The reason I ask this is based on personal observation rather than my own feelings. You see, this person told me, following a challenge in the relationship, that they hadn't been lying, just not reveling the truth, and that was their right, and culturally acceptable unless a person lies to a blood-relative.

Now, to an Australian that is is a problem. While we may choose to lie, it is with the clear understanding of the fact that it is not right. But it is also random and situation-based and not because one person is less worthy of the truth than another. This person had to learn the hard way why some Chinese people (with his attitude) find it hard to adapt.  I don't wish to suggest that all Chinese people are dishonest, just to use that as an example of different values.

I have lived in five different countries, one in Africa, three in Europe and the USA and often the values of the locals conflicted with my own. I had to learn quickly that I needed to respect the local ways, even where they conflicted with my own. That did not mean I accepted them, I just understood that I was living in their country and needed to respect their culture and rights. And, I learned that, where I behaved in a way they found unacceptable, that I needed to live with criticism and not to be too senstive.

The only other point I would make is for you to be aware that your government and businesses are not popular with many Australians due to the recent purchases of farms, resources and homes. So in some areas you may be seen as part of the reason young Australians cannot afford their own homes. Actually there are many reasons and most have to do with government decisions, but foreign investment is the easiest to focus on.

I will give you the same advice I would give any potential migrant, think carefully about your decsion. Visit Australia for an extended holiday and mix with the locals, avoid areas where Chinese people live and work and areas with high migrant populations. We are very direct, even blunt people. We do not like people that come here just for what they can get from our country. If you are a giving person, one who is willing to call this country home, particpate in the community, mix with us, live among us, apart from the odd unhappy encounter, you will be welcomed. But if you are coming here only for what you can get then please think again.

i wish you well with your decision making and if you do choose to make Australia home then I hope you will be very happy here.

Sharonp53, I really appriciate for your long reply. When I started this topic, I really wanna know true opinion from you guys. Your response is not rude at all. Thank you for your honest.

I guess maybe all immigrants to Australia hate Hanson, but it seems that a lot of local aussies hate her too. It shows that she only represent a small group of people. Mild racism is actually normal in all countries. This is a country with speech freedom. I can accept that and try to live with that as long as they don't hurt us physically.

According to what you've said, the most important thing for all immigrants from Asia or other part of the world is adaptation to life in Australia. I know some immis live in their own little world and refuse to embrace the life in Australia. Perhaps they are new here. They may have their own reasons. If a person is very shy and can't speak good English, he will have to cut off any connection to the society. However, what really matters is ATTITUDE. When he awares that he has some problems but refuse to learn or try to make it better, his attitude is bad and everyone would hate a person like him. The most important thing is what's inside, not his color. We can't change a person so quickly. We have to give them time. For me, since I choose to move here, I must do whatever I need to adapt to life here and respect everything here. Otherwise I don't need to move at all.

About the other point, I kind of know that many Australians don't like Chinese businesses because they bought too many farms and houses. As far as I know, I admit those companies are really rich as hell, but this time they actually are scapegoats. Recently a lot of Chinese businesses quit Australia market due to the insanely high taxes, but the price is still going up really fast. They invest because they like Australia. Actually most Chinese really like Australia and regard it as one of the most fascinating countries in the world. That's one of my reasons to move here and I like Australia since I was young. That's why I feel bad when I know many aussies are against China.

Thanks for your advice about thinking carefully. I've been thinking for a long time and made decision to move here one year ago. Now I have great confidence in myself and my family adapting well. We Chinese are also direct people, much directer than Japanese and Taiwanese. When I get my PR, I'll regard myself as a new Australian. I'm an outgoing guy and willing to make friends everywhere. People would like me.  Thanks again mate. Sorry about my poor English writing skill. Hope you have a nice day.

On 2017/3/16 at 10:35 AM, CaptainR said:

Also, lets be honest, a white person is far more likely to experience racism in China than a Chinese person in Australia.

Well, you know most Chinese people actually like white person at first sight. No discrimination in China at all. We like anyone who can speak English fluently. Also white people are taller and more handsome. It's hard for us to hate them unless they do horrible stuff.

Hi, everyone.

 

I had been a quiet follower for more than 6 months.

 

Today, I think it is time to share my miserable story.

 

I lodged my 187 RSMS application on 11.Jan.2016. I received RCB approval in around April.

After that, my suffering journey started.

My company had been put into receivership in August. And rumors was going around our company was going to bankrupt, even though our venue was operating as usual basis.

My visa was still processing and no further news was provided.

Until November, our company found a few potential buyers and they finalized the sale in December.

I am informed that new ABN number will be issued, therefore, my nomination and visa application won't be approved.

No doubt, I received nomination disapproval on 13 January 2017. It has been a year since I lodged my application.

 

I thought I was lucky enough that the new company is ready in position to sponsor my 187visa. So I wait another few month.

This week I signed the new employment contract which offers me the identical position and salary package from the new company. But I have been told by my agent that this paperwork as of yet is not available for visa purpose. I have to wait for financial settlement takes place, which may be ready in late of this month or early April.

 

As most of you alerted, I got the email from my agent, saying that RSMS is temporary no longer available in WA, and no stating what time the RCB will accept new application.

They are asking me if I want to move back to East Coast where is easier to find me a placement.

 

I am frustrated and exhausted. But this journey must continue.

 

I wish everyone good luck and to stay strong through this journey.

Mate,　I think moving back is a great idea for you right now. Cross fingers and hope you can finally get PR. Bad thing should not happen to good people.

Does anyone know where I can find the "processing times" as mentioned in:

http://www.border.gov.au/News/Pages/global-visa-and-citizenship-processing-times.aspx

I can't find it either.

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Many congratulations mate! Wish you a great life in Oz!

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Global visa and citizenship processing times will be available online for the first time from 14 March.

http://www.border.gov.au/News/Pages/global-visa-and-citizenship-processing-times.aspx

What occupation they have?

 

 

1 June nomination

25 June visa

DE 187

Restaurant manager

Sorry they didn't tell me mate. They are so exciting right now and can't get in touch with them........

Great news. Two of my 187 friends get granted today. Both HR,DE.

nom 4/16. nom approved & visa lodged 11/16. visa granted today.

nom & visa lodged 7/16. Doc requested 2/17. visa granted today.

Why are they still working on Saturday?

As I am not Asian its hard to answer this one. I do know that there are people who are racist and rude, my daughter worked in an Asian restaurant whilst at university and people were often rude to her employers. So cannot say that there is no prejudice by some people. I also have a friend who is half Thai and she lives in Brisbane and very educated lady and she does get discrimination as well sometimes. However this happens all over the world, not just here. I think as people lose their jobs and things become more expensive in all western countries there are those that blame the new comers. However as has been said if you get a job speak English, attend anything you are invited to when you first come here then things fall into place. People are not against individuals its usually a group thing that makes them hit out. Poms get a blasting just the same as any other race, and more than some.

Thanks Petals for your sharing. Discrimination is inevitable all over the world even in my own country, but I'm not the first one moving here. Also I'm sure most people are nice which gives me confidence. Life should be great as long as racists don't attack us physically. We'll try our best to adapt here and make peace with everyone.

Hi,

I thought I would contribute to this post as most of is on point but the OP does need to relax and try not to over think. I am British born and bred but am also Indian and Hindu to make it more confusing my family are also East Africans so where ever I go I am a minority.

The point is discrimination exists everywhere but basically people are the same everywhere with their aspirations and fears. We have to learn to accept differences and see the best.

If my OH and I are fortunate and emigrate to Australia, I will be scared but I will embrace the life there because I chose to go there.

So try to relax and remember there's a reason why you want to move to Australia.

Thanks for your reply, mate.

Your life perhaps is even harder than mine. At least most Chinese people are not religious which means we'll have less problems here.

The reason why I decide to move is that my whole family can't stand the heavy pollution, toxic fog/haze , food problems , terrible education system in China, etc. Other than those bad aspects, China is actually a great country and the food there is awesome. In my opinion, I hope my daughter can have a happy childhood so I choose to move here. I know I have to give up something to get something else. That's the cost and risk I have to take. I'll never regret making that decision and try my best to embrace life in Oz and regard myself as a new Aussie. Maybe your motivation to move is quite similar to mine. Now I am not afraid anymore cause I know people will treat me good as I treat them good. Australia is a great country with mixed races. Best wishes for you and your family.

Same here too.. its almost 1 year n no news at all..don't know what step to take if it gets refused as we spend our hard earned money to process this visa n waited for so long time... hope all of us will get good news soon..

When did you lodge your nom and visa?

I fail to see how the locals' spending habit would affect their attitude towards immigrants. Or why that would be any of your concern.

Sorry mate. Those are two different conversation..which may lead to confusion.

a) I am constanly confused by people who ask how much money they should bring. If you are moving here permanently, bring all you have got!

 

b) the majority of people in Australia do not own boats, and the vast majority of those who are living on welfare will never be able to afford a boat. Welfare is for those who cannot support themselves and their families. Going there with a plan to live on welfare is not a good idea.

:ssign7:Thanks man. I prepare to sell my apartment in Shanghai and bring all the money here which can make a great start. Looking foward to live here!

There's an element of truth to that in that for Australians saving isn't the necessity it is in some countries. There is a banking system to borrow money from and a social security safety net here while in some parts of the world you can only rely on your own resources. For most Australian their entire saving and investments are the equity in their house and the value of their super fund - other than that expenses expand to fill the salary available.

The big difference between Australia and China is social welfare system. Oz do much better than China.

In China, we have to work very very hard and earn a lot of money to have a good life since government won't give us any benefit or caring. So we have to save money in case we get some terrible disease or sth.

But when I travelled to Oz last year, I found many local people can live a really good life without saving lots of money. I saw some locals in Gold Coast bought a little boat and drove on the river which was so cool. Lower pressure makes life easier. Actually I am confused and don't know how much money I should bring here to live.

I'm giving you the benefit of doubt here mate as you are sounding like a wind up merchant. But assuming you are being straight I don't think Aussies are any different to other countries. We save some months, spend up others. Most of us have a mortgage to pay so that comes first. People try to have a decent time but there is so much to do free here that you can have a good time and not spend anything.

Beaches, ocean and the weather come free.

Thank a lot mate!! That's very helpful. Sorry about my bad English. Just being straight and ask, no offense.

I think you answered the question when you came on holiday and found people nice and friendly. It won't be any different if you emigrated.

It's not easy to get in though, if you have lots of money it helps.

Thanks mate. I heard from local people that Aussies don't save money and spend most salary every week. Is that true?

I know everyday I feel I am living in Hell...

 

start to get a hope when the Mig office hour started and finish being frustrated when the Migr office hour finished.

 

I such have no idea what the CO doing every single day each 8hrs.

The working efficiency is horrible.. My nom lodged 12/12/16 and I give up waiting anymore...

Maybe next year would be my turn..

I don't think you need to worry at all. I absolutely love Asians and the best surgeons/specialists I have are Asian. They are caring and compassionate. I have never seen any Asians discriminated against and have lived in Melbourne, Cairns, Townsville and now near Brisbane. Pauline Hanson just loves to try and instill fear and hatred where there isn't any. Of course you will find someone who will find faults with you and as Poms we sometimes come across it but I would say 99% of the population is very welcoming. What upsets some Australians is when others try and establish their own culture and tell Australians what they can and can't do/say.

Thanks Pom Queen. I know you are one of those 99% :）

Australia is a great country with great freedom which is what Chinese immis want.

I don't think we would ever do any harm to Oz culture or tell you what to say.

I know Muslins are controversial but we are definitely not.

Hope we can get on well with each others.

Australia is not a racist country. The Chinese integrate and inter-marry probably as well as the Brits. My sister-in-law is Chinese. The Chinese embrace Australian lifestyle, food and sport. They make great Aussies - the ones I know love to gamble, drink, eat and are crazy about AFL. It's all good.

That's true, mate. Sometimes you may meet some bad Chinese guys, but most of us are great. Our race is famous for hard-working spirit and kindness to people. Some Chinese people talk loud in public which is their way to express themselves. That's a lot different from Japanese and Korean.

If a Chinese person want to move here, he can only work or study really hard or have a lot of money. So most Chinese here are really nice people. I personally know 100+ Chinese in Oz and they are all great. They already become true Australians although some of them cannot speak English in Aussie accent..

They were probably referring to wealthy Chinese investors who don't live in Australia. There's too much of that going on.

I know it's hard for local white people to tell whether they are from China or Japan or Korea or Hong Kong or Taiwan..

But I'm sure rich Chinese investors cannot buy used houses. They can only buy brand new apartments with huge taxes.

I don't think that's the problem..

Thanks everyone for your great replies.

After reading all your thoughts, all my previous problems are solved.

We cannot change the fact that there are good person and bad person everywhere.

But now Im sure that most people here are great.

The face color is not an issue. Judging people by color is stupid.

There is an old Chinese saying: Gold will glitter forever, no matter where it is.

I'll try my best to integrate into the society and create a good life for my family.

BTW, I am so looking foward to move to Oz right now.

Hello everyone.

I'm from Shanghai, China and I am applying for Oz PR with my wife and 3-year-old daughter.

We visited Oz last year and found that Oz is really a great country to live in. We all love Oz since then.

Recently,I heard there were some bad news against Asian people, especially from Pauline Hanson.

When we were in Oz last year, local people we met were so nice. I'm sure they are all nice people without doubt.

Most of my friends who already moved to Oz also tell me that most Oz people are really nice, much better than those in USA.

But I know 90% people in Oz are white people.I'm a little terrified if we would get discrimination since we are Asian people.

Most of us are really hard workers and trying our best to make this country greater.

Still someone would say we steal their job or money. It's hurtful and unreasonable.

Also, my daughter is too young now. I'm afraid that she won't be fit in so well.

Do Aussies really hate Asians? What's your real opinion about Asians?

Is there any suggestion that can help my daughter fitting into this society?

Thanks everyone!

Thank you soo much for replying chaseyoung.

 

If its 3 months gap, then I can play safe... As in my case its not only $4000

but I am married and I have a kid also.. So I guess I have to pay for all 3 .. just for 3 months..

 

Is your nomination approved ? How long it took for approval.. ? which state have you applied ?

We have similar situation.

I'm also married and I have one kid, so I have to pay $6000+ AUD like you. And I'm from high risk country, too..

My occupation is financial investment advisor offshore 187 and I lodged my nomination 12/12/16 and I'm still waiting for results.

My MA told me that if I lodge my nomination and visa seperately, its gonna take 6-10 months for nomination and 3-6 months for visa.

If I lodge both together, its gonna take 10-14 months for everything depending on how lucky I am.

The processing speed is getting slower and slower. I don't wanna take that $6000 risk because two of my 187 friends actually failed the nomination.

Luckily, they only lodged their nomination so that they didn't lose that visa money.

For me, time is not an issue anymore because all the processing speed is so slow now. I just don't wanna waste any more money in vain.

Hope that my experience can help you making your decision.

Thank you yuderdc.. can you tell me one more thing..

My agent is saying that applying together can be risk of money .. do you think

its worth taking the risk .. considering time is also the factor.

 

also are you offshore / which state you applied ?

Actually, I don't think its worth taking that risk.

If you apply together, you would only be about 3 months faster.

But if you fail the nomination, it might cost you about $4000.

I applied my nomination on 12/12/16 offshore and I prepare to apply my visa after nomination is proved.

Sorry about my terrible English writing skill, hope you can get what I am talking about.