PoMoSo

Congrats! Hopefully the rest of the process will be all good too! Just one question, does that mean that from the day you applied for an assessment, it took you guys 2 weeks to get your results back?

Hi all, Always had good advice from everyone on this forum, so I got another question... This is actually for my brother. He got UK law degree, no work experience within the field, and no LPC. Would he need to convert his UK degree to an Oz one plus get an LPC in Oz to get a positive assessment or would it be enough with what he has? We have checked the assessing authorities of all states, and theres really no info about this. Should also mention that he has a master in IT law from Sweden. Cheers, PoMoSo

It depends on the requirements of the authority assessing your qualifications. Some will require you to have gained your work experience after your studies, while others dont. I think Vetassess is cool with pre-studies experience, and I cant recall ACS mentioning anything about it (altho I could be wrong). You need to check which authority assesses your occupation and either check their website or contact them.

I feel i too should leave a comment on this thread only coz its seems multiculturalism and racism are such a heated discussion on it. Ive been a foreigner for 28 years of my 30 year old life. Ive lived in Sweden for the most time, but a bit in Oz, a few years in the UK, a little in France and some in the country of my birth (altho i did realize even there that I was a foreigner after having returned after nearly 25 years). Nway, all I wanne say is, we are all racists, if you say you're not, then youre only saying so coz most likely you are from a part of the world where your government is currently "fighting" racism, and its wrong to be a racist. But while this is taking place, your government is most likely fighting a war somewhere or blaming the certain nationalities in your country to advance certain agendas, so youre not a racists, but disliking some of them is totally alright! What Im trying to say is, you usually dont have any opinions of your own, trends are what shape our opinions however much we'd like to believe that we r free. For anyone believing that multicultural societies do exists, do a bit of reading about multiculturalism, see what it really means. As far as my experience tells me, the UK is the only country where different cultures and ethnicities manage to get along with each other to some extent, but theres still tons of hatred against the one not looking like you. And for the one siding with the aggressor, how bout my nation start a war with your country, sanction it, install puppet regimes, steal all your nations wealth, create such a condition that you have to flee your own country, and eventually move to mine, then when here, ill bully you, your mother, your father, your siblings. At school, I, as a teacher, pretend to give a crap about ethics but treat you differently coz you dont look like me, your school mates treat you differently coz their parents and all the cartoons and other kid programs they watch teach them weird stuff about others who are different, and this goes on till your old, and people come in buses or other places and blast insanities at you, and your are left with 2 options, either take it, and let anger and hatred build inside of you, while you feel embarrassed infront of your wife, your gf, your children or others, or reply to the low class mofo who probably only will start a fist fight with you and youll accept it coz your so pissed at all the racism you have to deal with everyday, and then, as a consequent of the so lovely multicultural society you live in, the police comes to the scene and assumes that you started the whole thing just coz your a foreigner and of course, noone except for your friends who were there will tell the police they r getting the wrong guy. So bottom line is, there is no real multicultural society, a majority of people are racists ( and again, being a foreigner for 28 years I have plenty of experience, ppl, especially those who keep claiming they have love for all, always manage to, in a very friendly and polite way, differentiate between them and us)... and Im not trying to be rude or disrespectful to anyone, just saying, get your feets on the ground!

The minimum experience or qualifications needed can be found on the website of the authority that assesses the occupation you have in mind. I dont know which body this would be but you can find your occupations relevant authority on the CSOL list. Also, i dont know your past or what exactly you did while working. But if you dont have any uni degree, then you usually need several years of fulltime work experience. And this experience needs to be at a required level. From the DIAC website; If you are an approved standard business sponsor, the occupation you are nominating must be eligible for the subclass 457 visa program. The list of eligible occupations is available on the Consolidated Sponsored Occupations List. This list includes a number (an ANZSCO Code) and an Occupation Title. A description of the qualifications and experience required for each of the eligible occupations is on the website of the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) 1220.0 - ANZSCO - Australian and New Zealand Standard Classification of Occupations, First Edition, Revision 1. This opens a search page to help you find an occupation. It will help you identify the tasks your nominee would be expected to perform in the position you are nominating them for qualifications and amount of work experience they would be required to have. For example a Chef (ANZSCO code 351311) will have either a relevant associate degree, advanced diploma, or diploma (or equivalent) or at least three years relevant experience. Tasks may include planning menus, preparing and cooking food and possible selection and training of staff. Sponsors who want to employ subclass 457 visa holders in an occupation which is not on the Consolidated Sponsored Occupations List must do so under a labour agreement.

Why not try the 190 or 189 visa?

Hi all! Just wondering whether or not it is possible to assess your skills for an occupation before actually sending it to the relevant authority (the ACS in this case)? And I know the relevant authority has the finally say, but I have the option of tailoring my second year in my master degree. So clearly, I want to choose the courses necessary for the occupation I have in mind. Ive read in the forum that for some, immi agents did a pre-assessment of their skills, are such assessment correct? And if so, how much do they normally charge for such a service? Also, are immi agents the only option I have for a pre-assessment? Many thanks, PoMoSo

Cheers for the help mates!

If you both are less than 31 years old, you could apply for the WHV. PoMoSo

So youre saying I should add it? The crime (although it wsnt even me, but try telling that to the racist judge and police officers) was armed robbery, no beating or anything, but personal belongings of the victim were all stolen. But it was 13 years ago, My recent personality, have done an MPhil should speak for itself that Im not a troublemaker right?

But if it has been removed from the official records, then theres no way of DIAC finding out anyway..right? I mean, noone in Sweden is entitled to dig into a past more than ten years ago.

Alright Im glad this topic came up. And I did check the website ww.nationalcrimecheck.com.au/police-checks-individuals/resources/spent_convictions_information ... but english is my third language, plus Im abit tipsy, + been at uni half day and work the other half, so Id appreciate it if anyone could clarify it for me. If a person was convicted of a crime 13 years ago. He did a minor time, plus paid his fines, would he need to declare this?

Hi Melissa! My family and I decided some 4 months ago that we want to try to emigrate to Oz. And although our situation totally differs from yours, here's my advice, a migration agent could be handy, but doesnt necessarily. What I would suggest you do is, check the immi website, read about all the different visa's, learn the Skillselect system, and use this forum, theres tons of good info here. Use the forums search function to find the info you need. If you'be thought about it, then someone here has most probably written about it. Then, if you still think you need an agent, and you have the money for it, then go for it. Also, I dont mean to give opinions about anyones personal life, just explaining my familys situation. Originally from the Middle East, my parents decided to move to Europe 27 years ago. Why? To give their children a better life. In Europe, since day 1, both my brother and I (plus my parents) have been unhappy. My father always tells me, dont make huge decision having your (future) children in mind, you wont know how they will be or feel. The only way to make sure your children are happy, is if you are happy. But apart from that, I do understand you, I long till I touchdown it Oz. PoMoSo

Cheers, this was exactly what Ive been looking for! And no I dont have any work experience. So of what Ive understood is, you are only exempted from having work experience IF you are a recent graduate?

Im not sure about applying for another visa whilst already being on another. But, bridging visa's have different conditions as Ive understood it. And this depends on how your application is being assessed. If you already are in Id suggest you'd get some professional advice from either an immi agent or you might even be able to talk to the immi office to get some general info on bridging visa's. Alliteratively, if you are still not 31, you could apply for a Working holiday visa.

So my original question was whether or not I can just add some independent uni courses, or is it only full uni degree's that they look at when assessing?

Well, initially I was considering applying for ICT Business Analyst or Systems Analyst, but Ive understood that those two are already filled up and that alot of people apply for a PR using either one so it may be so that either they are filled up again in next years round in Skillselect or that the queue is too long. So I have two options, add some more uni courses for the two above mentioned occupations, or study some uni courses in programming to be able to qualify as some of the other ACS occupations such as Software Engineer or Developer Programmer. This shouldnt be a problem as I already know some programming, but it will surely take me some time. Also, Im currently taking my Masters, and this one is more related to the occupations I was thinking to apply for (or at least i think). Courses that I have: BSc in Business Management; Year 1: Intro to Management Intro to Economics Intro to Accounting and Finance Quantitative Methods for Information Technology Year 2: Management Accounting 1 Organizational Behavior Perspectives on Operations Management Intro to Marketing International Business Environment Employee Relations Intro to Banking Portfolio Analysis Year 3: Business Strategy HRM Management, Innovation and New Technology Advanced Organizational Behavior Business Ethics Advanced Marketing International Finance Financial Markets and Monetary Policy MPhil in Informatics (currently about to finish my first year) Year 1: Business Innovation and Development Strategy Development Architectural Design Change Management Year 2: Only a thesis. Much appreciated for any help or advice!

Hi all! As I dont have any work experience within my field, and my degree may not be enough to claim an occupation on the SOL and get a positive skills assessment. Therefor, I was thinking I could take a couple of independent uni courses that I know is needed to better my chance of getting a positive skills assessment. Now, my question is, the ACS writes "Example of units undertaken in higher education qualifications" , does qualification here imply an actual degree, diploma etc, or can it also be independent uni courses? Much appreciated for your help!

Well, I initially had a quick look at SkillSelect! Clearly I misunderstood how it works. Thats why I went on to search for other options. And I am currently considering getting some professional advice. Especially now that Ive read the various options SkillSelect offers. I have also checked what my relevant assessment authority requires from me to provide me with a positive skills assessment. Seeing how I dont have any work experience within my field, and I have a year left before I get my masters, I have two options too so to get as many of the skills that they require. First one is obviously, get a job in my field. Second one is, to apply for a couple of independent courses. This should by the summer of 2014 give me enough of the skills required. Just one question, when they assess your skills, can I only provide that body with a full degree/work experience OR can I also provide them a couple of completed independent courses? I also want to say thanks to all of you for all your comments! I was quite lost until only a few days ago, but I feel like I have better understanding of matters now. If it would be OK to add some independent courses, then I will seek to do that for the coming 14 months, sit the IELTS exam, and contact an immi agent around new year sometime, and apply for a PR through SkillSelect in the summer of 2014. Sounds like a better plan right? Much love to all!

I totally agree. I keep pondering whether or not to do whatever all the time. And Im probably the immi websites no. 1 visitor at the moment. I dont know if it would be better to get an agent or to do everything yourself. Ive read on this forum that the ones who got an agent were really satisfied, but the ones who did it all by themselves, were more satisfied they didnt have to pay whatever fees agents require.

About the sunshine and tax talks, I guess I was just rambling on and on trying to find more reasons to pursue this dream of mine. As for the Swedish lifestyle, I just moved back to Sweden after nearly 10 years of living in three different continents, the lifestyle here is not worth the stay. Plus, despite all the promotion Sweden gets from UK/US/German governments about their handling of the economy, the living standard Sweden had 10-15 years ago, is no longer around. Employment laws are changing pretty fast, and I mean we all have fancy gadgets n stuff, and thats what most people today are referring to when they talk of living standards, but but everything else is gradually fading away. About SkillSelect, is it not true (or have i totally misunderstood it) that you create a profile, and Aussie employers can check it, assuming you score more than 60, to see if they want to hire you or not. And when this match has been made, only then are you invited to apply for a permanent/temp residency? I also believe I read on the immi website that, while your score on the points test dont matter as long as its above 65, with the SkillSelect, the more points you have, the better chance you have of getting an invitation. So basically, they'll start with ppl with high points, and move down the list. Now on LinkedIn, I've seen alot of ppl applying through SkillSelect with pretty astonishing CVs. That was what scared me abit about to apply through SkillSelect.

Also, did you apply for the Skilled - Independet (Migrant) 175 Visa?

I just thought that it would be easier to get a PR with 5 points more. That would give me a total of 70 points, assuming that I finish the two year studies in Oz before I turn 32 years old. I don't have any experience in my field at all, and I'm not incredibly qualified either. I wont be able to apply for my skills assessment until I finish my masters here, which would be just before the summer of 2014. I also thought that, while studying in Oz, I could perhaps get a job in my field, and get an additional 5 points on the points test. But I've read that in Oz, what matters is experience, and especially Australian experience as you said. If you don't have it, chances are you're not getting a decent job! Can I ask you how many points you got on the points test when you applied?

Yep, thats exactly how I've calculated my points! What other way(s) would you suggest? Also, how long did it take for you to get a PR after you applied for yours?

Wow thats great! I guess you'd be able to help alot then since we'd be kind of in the same situation. Where in Oz are you now? Yep, the only reason for studying is really to get 5 points. I really dont want to be studying any longer to be honest. Plus my brother is coming with me, and he got a british law degree, so he needs to convert his degree to an Oz one, plus get a certificate to be able to practice law in Oz. I can currently (assuming I can score 8 in IELTS which i probably could) get 65 points on the point test. For my age right now, I get 30 points, but in 26 months, I will only get 25 points. I should be able to get a positive skills assessment after I finish my masters here, and should be able to qualify for either an ICT business analyst or a systems analyst. How many points did you get when you applied for a PR? How much did you wait after you applied until you got your PR?