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Rach, an interesting statistic (complete with government source) was posted very recently in an Aussie forum. It revealed that 81% of those who state on their departure that they are leaving Australian permanently, return. So that's four out of every five people return to Australia, even though they believed when they departed that they wouldn't be coming back. That's a sobering statistic and indicative of how the other pastures they've gone to have failed to match their expectations If you somehow managed to leave and take your children with you, the chances of your wanting to return are fairly high. All those who said they wouldn't be returning to Australia doubtless believed they wouldn't want to come back, because very few people uproot their family on a whim. So they must have believed at the time that Australia wasn't for them and must have been quite confident that they'd enjoy and settle in when they arrived at their destination. So that's worth considering, at least I very rarely remember song-lyrics, but years ago, a line in a song stuck in my mind. You may have heard it. ' If you can't be with the one you love -- love the one you're with'. Amongst all the syrupy love songs, that line stuck out as being eminently practical and wise. In the first flush of love, we also love everything about that person, from the hairs up their nose to their family (whom we often learn to loathe). Then time goes by and just as with once beautiful flowers, the bloom wears off. By then, we're often not just a couple, but a family. Our children become our priority and we, and life, changes. Everything changes with time: our bodies, our interests, our tastes, etc. But we've put children on the planet and we're duty-bound to give them what they deserve. Unless one or both parents poses psychological, physical or emotional damage to the child, most children prefer to have their mum and dad together in the same home. It gives them a sense of security. The parents are like the giant poles which hold up the circus tent. If those poles collapse, it often results in catastrophe When they're young, it seems as if their childhood will go on forever. But they grow so quickly. I don't know how old your children are, but their teens will pose challenges, not least of those being financial as their education progresses. Two parents pulling together and keeping things together during those developmental years not only build the parents' strength of character, but helps children face the challenges with they're faced as they leave childhood behind and move toward an often frightening future Good men are hard to find, no matter how old-fashioned that may sound to others. You haven't mentioned that your husband drinks or gambles to excess, or engages in extramarital affairs. If he's instead working to support his family and trying to pave a better financial future for you and the children as well as being a loving husband and father, you're one of the lucky ones You say you miss your friends and siblings in the UK and you doubtless feel you're missing out on a lot in that regard, which is difficult. Being unable to find employment on the Gold Coast (which has always been high in sunshine and high in unemployment also) must be limiting the enjoyment to be had there as well as lowering your confidence and self-esteem. You're at home whilst your husband gains a sense of identity from his career and colleagues. He leaves for work and you're at home once the children have gone to school. It's natural you'd look back to happier times in the UK But children aren't portable in the same way as items which can be transferred across the world such as precious possessions, pets, furniture, etc. Your children have a father and even children with dreadful fathers still love them and miss them if they're separated If it's true that your husband would have a difficult time finding employment in the UK, it's understandable he doesn't want to risk what he has in Australia. Breadwinners are able to imagine what it would be like to be unable to support their family. They know how rotten it would be to have no money, no prospects and no way to provide their children with the essentials at least. And as others have said, there's no guarantee your husband would be able to get into the UK unless he could satisfy entry requirements, one of which would be proof that he could support you all if you managed to get there. So apart from anything else, your husband has his head screwed on in that regard And of course he would miss his children. That's man-speak. He'd do more than miss them. He's working now for them and trying to secure a future for all of you. I'd be concerned if a husband was prepared to drop everything and move his family across the world, knowing when he got there, his family would have nothing. Your husband sounds mature and as if he takes his responsibilities seriously. It seems he recognises that a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, although like most people, he'd probably like to go overseas. The children will be independent before you know it. It may be they'll want to leave home before you're ready. You've done well so far - you're together after ten years and your husband is employed and as you haven't said otherwise, it sounds as if your children are healthy and happy. And your husband is in good employment, which cannot be said for many who move to the Gold Coast. That's a lot to be thankful for If the work won't come to you, maybe you could channel your energies into going to the work via retraining or creating a niche for yourself. Many on the Gold Coast have to create their own jobs because there are far more people than jobs. You have determination, you've proved that. You've shown you're adaptable. You have some challenging times ahead of you, as a couple or as a single parent if you do leave. Maybe if you stick it out and see your children through school, you might have a nest-egg by then in property or savings, which will allow you and your family -- or you alone or with your husband -- to move back to the UK It's not always possible for people to go back for extended holidays. It costs money. It disrupts the family and could easily destroy a marriage via any one of a dozen ways. If I had to toss up between 'culture' and a solid marriage, I know what I'd choose. Certainly, Australia doesn't have the same organised form of culture in the UK. But Australia can be interesting if you're prepared to find it so. There's a cemetery in the hinterland which contains gravestones of the region's earliest settlers, for instance. I took my children there when they were quite young and explained the region's history. There's a well-equipped family-history society. There are quite good museums and galleries in Brisbane which you could visit with the children on weekends. There's a Cobb and Co. shed at the back of Elanora. And the Gold Coast Bulletin has placed hundreds of photos and articles online of the region's history. The hinterland is accessible in just a short drive - Springbrook, Lamington Plateau, the Natural arch, etc. They're all easily enjoyed in a day, it's fresh and cool up there and children always love it. All it costs is petrol. You could pack a picnic lunch and enjoy a swim in the fresh water. Many families do it. Then there's Tallebudgera Creek, which is always a favourite with families. There are art classes, pottery classes, etc. My children loved those and who knows -- it could be the start of a lifelong interest for the children and you. There's fishing, beach-walks, the children could join the Nippers. And there's every type of sporting team your children could join, or even you and your husband could without a lot of expense. I don't know -- what do you think .... could the song 'If you can't be with the one you love -- love the one you're with' be equally wise advice if we changed it to, 'If you can't be in the country you love -- love the country you're in ' ? Whatever you decide, I wish you all the best and hope happy times will be yours soon :-)

I think the Sainsbury's bread would be a far tastier slice with superior ingredients than the Coles basic wholemeal for the same price And the UK milk I saw online for next to nothing seems to me to be the same quality as the $4.49 milk I buy here in Oz The cheap milk here in Oz that you mentioned is basically white coloured water. And didn't the Oz media reveal last year that the cheap Aussie milk you mentioned came from overseas and not a 'nice' section of overseas ? Anyway, people can work it out for themselves pretty easily and quickly One of the reasons I was glad to find the UK supermarket site is because so many Poms in Oz can't believe how limited the Aussie offerings are. And having seen the huge choice provided British consumers - I agree with them

One of ours is considering spending some time in the UK, so I found a site for 2015 with UK food prices for a selection of supermarkets. I'm looking (and exclaiming) at it now We can't believe the low prices in the UK. And the selection ! We're roughly converting UK pounds to Aussie dollars by multiplying the UK prices by two Here's one, grabbed at random: Burgen Soya and Linseed bread 800 grams for one pound or two Aussie dollars ! Have you seen the prices of comparable bread in Australia ! The milk in the UK (and WHAT a selection of milks there are) seems insanely inexpensive M & Ms .. 165 grams for 98 pence for plain milk OR peanut 200 grams chocolate bars for one pound 20 pence (which is around $2.40 or $2.50 Australian -- except 200 grams bars at our local supermarket have gone up to the high 4 dollar mark with some dearer than that ) Sainsbury's organic bananas 800 grams for 96 pence or one pound 20pence per kilo. We GROW them here in Australia and our supermarket has had them at $3.99 per kilo for months AND they're invariably green every time I shop. What's going on ? Sainsbury's red seedless grapes @ 3 pound a kilo -- $12.99 per kilo and occasionally $6.99 per kilo at our Aussie supermarket Sainsbury's one pound for 6 kiwi fruit. That's equivalent approx. of $2.00 Australian and those at our local supermarket are at least double that I look for Birdseye now we've learned most frozen foods are produced in China then New Zealand packages them and adds 'Made in New Zealand'. Birdseye are said to be the only brand available in Australia now which are grown, processed and packaged in Australia I'm looking now at the frozen fish offerings from Sainsbury and can't get OVER the choice, the variety ! I'm seeing Cod and Haddock and all sorts of things which I've never seen in Aussie supermarkets. And here (Sainsbury) I see Birdseye Chicken Burgers, 8 to a pack, for only 2 pounds 70 pence for 400 grams. That's only $5.40 Australian Birdseye Homebake sausage rolls at Sainsbury for only one pound 50pence for 360 grams. That's only $2.10 Australian, isn't it ? Gee, and I pay $5.60 a pack for King Island sausage rolls for less weight, from memory. So Sainsbury's are less than half the price I pay here in Oz I haven't got the hang of the site yet and haven't found fresh seafood or meats. The prices I've cited here are the online site where people can shop online. No doubt everything in UK supermarkets would be cheaper if you shopped in person So yes, wages in Aussie dollars might be a larger looking figure, numbers-wise. But it's what money buys where you live. And it seems to me, based on the above preliminary research, that the UK pound and pence provides far better value in real terms. Plus the distances thus fuel costs there must be far lower than big, spread-out Australia As to the weather comparisons, here in very expensive Sydney, we've had gloom, gloom and more gloom -- occasionally interrupted by brief bits of sun -- for I can't remember how long. But the gloom and cold, rain and showers have gone at least right through from one full moon to the next, so that's a month straight, with lots of the same gloom before that. And NO double glazing, no underfloor heating in our very expensive place here -- and winter proper still to suffer We lived on the Gold Coast in Queensland for decades and there it was unrelenting heat and humidity for much of the year. Electricity bills caused by air-conditioning during that time broke the bank for many - we're talking thousands of dollars. A lot to pay to cower inside away from the heat for months each year, especially those who imagine Queensland summers are a vision from a Tahiti movie. Air-conditioned vehicles then leap out into the air-conditioned house - putting out the washing early in the day or in the late evening, otherwise it fades in no time, not to mention gives you crows-feet, wrinkles, sunburn etc. in just a few minutes. And trips to the beach have to be carefully considered for the same reason. I even took morning walks early and still arrived home red, drenched in perspiration and hit the shower before exhaustion set in. Then it's sitting inside while the blinding sun dominates everything for hours and hours. Fear of the sun and heat keeps a lot indoors for much of the time. A trip to the shops or to work makes a mockery of carefully styled hair because it just ends up limp and bedraggled unless it's cut very short or pulled back in a pony-tail. People all over Australia head to shopping centres, a lot of them, to escape the heat and take advantage of the air-conditioning Anyway, I'm going back to further explore the UK supermarket site for more revelations. And it has been a revelation ! What I'd like is an explanation from the Aussie government and supermarkets, not to mention just about everything else that's far more expensive in Oz http://www.mysupermarket.co.uk/shelves/Birds_Eye_The_Food_of_Life_in_Sainsburys.html?Page=2

Maybe it's time people in Britain updated their impressions of Australia ? Many seem to come here from the UK because they want to believe the grass is greener in Oz. Some years ago, a woman still resident in the UK became close to feral in this forum at the mere suggestion life in Oz wasn't like the movie. She'd never been here and posted all the time with updates re: her family's progress as far as emigrating was concerned - ' only two more months', etc. And despite that she'd never stepped foot in Australia, she laid into anyone who as much as breathed they -- who were in Oz -- weren't as thrilled about the place as they'd expected to be. It was as if she thought that by controlling everyone else's opinion about Oz that she could keep her unrealistic dreams alive. And she had plenty of supporters here, almost as if there existed a gang whose very livelihood depended on being seen to be keeping the Oz myths alive Sure, 50, 60 years ago, Poms made the big, exciting journey to Oz. Many were the talk of the village. Such a long journey - six weeks by ship. All those wonderful fresh foods, tropical fruits, everything so cheap compared with the old UK (which was still living on rations in the early 50s). Once here, they sent happy-snaps back home, showing themselves tanned, sitting on the beach. Of course, now we know a lot of it was sheer bravado. They knew those back home expected such photos and glowing accounts of Australia. Those UK pounds stretched a long way back then. And work was far easier to find then, compared to now. Sit, work and play in the sun long enough and sure, you'll develop a tan. Smiling for the camera takes a few seconds and what else would you do in a photo -- frown? So the myths about Australia grew out of proportion. And to cover the fact many early Poms in Oz had toilets consisting of stinking cans in an outside dunny and had cracked lino on the floors of their unheated weatherboard and fibro homes, those brave little Poms on Oz of decades ago made jokes, cracked hearty, kept a stiff upper lip and pretended they were loving it in Australia The truth was a different story. As Pommy migrants, they copped a lot of stick just for being Pommies, and so did their kids. Work wasn't anywhere near as plentiful as the Aussie government was claiming to potential migrants who attended all those promotional film nights. The houses on offer in Oz were basic, infested with cockroaches, ants, spider and often - snakes. It was a huge country and travel expensive. Migrants had to really put effort into establishing friendships and were not swiftly accepted - and this is borne out not only in migrant tales recounted by Poms but by people from all over the world who'd taken a chance on Australia. Drink was the ice-breaker, the oil, so fine for drinkers and tough for those who expected a bit more from social encounters than Aussie men guzzling grog on one corner and the women in another, forced to chat about home and kids. Thousands of female migrants from the UK lived for years in a state of repressed depression, forcing themselves to be chirpy for the husband and kids. Most Poms in Oz back then for some reason told themselves they'd made their bed and must lie in it for life Things are different now. It's no big deal to move to Oz - just a plane flight. Sure, a lengthy plane flight, but it's just a trip when all's said and done. It's not like Colombus sailing into the unknown, the way it used to be regarded. It's time other myths were put to bed too. Australia hasn't been 'cheap' for a long, long time. The Aussie mateship beliefs belong on tv, in fiction such as Neighbours. After all, do Poms expect to see real-life Donald Ducks or Mickey Mouses and movie stars all over the US? No. They're movies, entertainment. And so are the unrealistic expectations about Australia, although, granted, the Australian government capitalises on desperate Poms in the UK and their wish that Australia be some sort of cheap, tropical fruit and beach-filled Shangri-la There's internet now. Every single aspect of Australia is accessible online, from the prices of houses, travel distances, schools, welfare-provisions, educational standards, the price of eggs and tea-bags, the weather generally and temperatures for every single part of this massive chunk of rock in the south-pacific. Migrating to Australia can no longer be likened to a voyage into the unknown. So why aren't Poms availing themselves of the million pieces of information at their fingertips while they're still right there in the UK? Answer: because in the case of many -- they don't want to ! They don't want to know ! They don't want to face or accept reality ! The Big Adventure ! I'd be rich if I had a cent for every time I've read that term in his and similar forums When the more appropriate term should be -- ' Our huge investment in time, money, effort and energy ' Poms in the UK need to toss old Uncle Fred's 1950s move to Australia in with all the other non-relevant bits and pieces lying around in the attic. It's 2015 now. Times change. Poms in the UK need to get up to date with Australia. They need to face facts - face the truth There's not all that much difference these days between moving to Australia and moving to a new location in the UK or Europe. And putting all their eggs in one basket and flying to Oz on the seat of their pants is not intelligent, unless all the ground-work has been done first. And groundwork does not ONLY consist of applying to the Oz government and arranging transport for possessions and pets. There's a lot more to it than simply hopping on a plane and telling themselves that when they alight they'll be in paradise and all their troubles left behind them. No. Wherever we go, we take ourselves along with our bits and pieces. We aren't suddenly endowed with desirable personality traits and skills just because we step off a plane in Australia Sure, the Australian government entices migrants. But the Australian pubic is not the Australian government, so Poms shouldn't expect Aussies to welcome even more competition for jobs, housing, road-space, etc., any more than Poms in the UK welcome the endless stream of migrants into the UK. So that's another bit of reality that Poms coming to Oz need to take into account It's a real world and if Australia were even half as 'great' as some would have you believe, there would not -- to begin with -- be so many posts in this and other forums about wanting to, or thinking about, a return to the UK This is the 2015 version of Australia here. Not the 1940s, or 1950s, or 1960s, or 1970s, 80s, 90s, etc. version Things have changed in Australia. It's touted every second week by the mass media as THE most expensive place in the world as far as cost of living, housing, travel, etc, is concerned. That has to be faced, along with the very dismal truth about unemployment in Australia and the poor prospects for kids once they leave school So Poms in the UK need to stop fantasising and start dealing with the truth about Australia. Yes, dreams and fantasies are nice, but Australia isn't going to provide them any more than anywhere else. Of course it rains and gets cold in Australia ! And be realistic, you Poms still in the UK --- you'll need to earn your living in Australia and you will not, most of you, spend endless hours on sunny beaches. You in the UK get the best of Aussie produce and you buy it cheaper than we here in Australia. Aldi is growing like a weed in Oz, just like in the UK. Why do you think that is? Right -- it's because Aldi is cheaper ! Why would Aussies be driving the growth of Aldi? Right again -- because Aussies want and need cheaper food. Why do they need and want cheaper food? Yes, right again -- because Aussies can't afford the more expensive foods. Then take a look at how many Aussies are forced to rent. Why are they forced to rent? Good, you're working it out now -- it's because houses are SO expensive that Aussies cannot afford to buy them. They WANT to own their own homes and something to leave to their children, but they can't AFFORD to buy. And those houses which Aussies CAN afford to buy are nowhere near the chance of employment So there you are. Australia is VERY expensive and beyond the reach of most Aussies -- many of whom have been driven to move overseas in search of a better and more affordable existence And back to where I began -- Poms still in the UK need to update their 'version' of Oz. They need to face the facts and reality. Hopping on a plane to Oz is not a magic carpet ride, nor is it the much touted 'Big Adventure'. It's costly. Once they move it may prove irreversible due to finances and other factors. So stop dreaming, you Poms in the UK. Australia is basically an isolated version of the UK. It costs a lot to get into Australia and a hell of a lot more to get out again, as many have learned to their pain

It's not cheap living in Oz as we know. But nor is it cheap living in the UK (or anywhere else for that matter) So, expensive costs of living aside, what advantages are there to living in Oz or the UK? Everyone's different, looking for different things. What makes one person happy doesn't work for someone else Most of the time I've lived in Australia, I've secretly dreamed of returning to the UK. That's changed now Sure, Midsomer Murders would have non-Brits believing the UK consists of picturesque villages with village greens and ducks and well-to-do older folk and beautiful homes, etc. And of course, they usually film those shows in the British summer or spring The fact is, though, the UK isn't like a picturesque village for most who live there. Instead, it's an overpopulated little place where the average person lives in an unattractive street in some town or city -- most of them dreaming of escaping to sunshine, space and relaxation Location dictates lifestyle in the UK as it does in Oz and most are forced to live where they work or where there's at least the opportunity of finding a job. This results in depression (especially in UK winter with short grey days) dissatisfaction, unhappiness, bitterness. And to make it worse, houses are crammed together in the UK. It sounds like bare existence. Not much of a life At least in Oz there's more sun than grey. There's more space and even though there are many problems in Oz, particularly with regard to employment/unemployment, it's cleaner here and a more egalitarian society/less 'class' consciousness For the very wealthy in the UK, there's immunity from the grey misery suffered by the majority. But that's true of the wealthy everywhere, so not much point dwelling on it. It's the wealthy who enjoy the quaint, picturesque villages, not the rank and file So, not much to attract me to the UK any longer. And the most unattractive feature of all (and one it would be almost impossible to evade) is the jealousy and bitterness that seems at epidemic levels in the UK. Talk about misery loving company. The comments in UK online news give the impression the entire of the UK is festering with envy. Even if someone's won a lottery or had a stroke of good fortune is enough to have them commenting bitterly and resentfully - as if someone else's good fortune came out of everyone else's pocket Aussies mainly confine their competitiveness to sports. In the UK, it sounds as if many of them endlessly compete with each other -- over material goods. It's really backwards and unpleasant and benefits no-one So, I've begun appreciating Australia, late in the day and I'd rather remember Britain as it was (or at least how I would like it to be) rather than experience the reality Just wish I'd adopted this attitude a long time ago, instead of wasting so many years pining for a Britain that is either gone, or never actually existed

I've accepted Australia, finally. Taken years, during which I was homesick and probably fantasising about the UK to the same extent as Poms fantasise about Oz. I see online that my old village in the UK has all the social problems of the larger urban areas: yobs, vandalism, violence, drugs, migrants, etc. Well, under other names, those problems were most likely always present down through history, no matter where The UK media doesn't paint a pretty or inviting picture. Even Boris Becker in his multi-million pound UK home claims he's terrified of burglars despite spending a fortune on security devices. Giant rats in the UK estimated to number two for every human. UK schools being taken over by foreigners. It's fine to say the media dramatizes everything, but who would claim the UK doesn't have immense social issues which are growing worse with each month. It will never return to the way I remember it and I've accepted that and refuse to rage about it any longer or tell myself it's a great place to retire One of the more unsettling things I've noticed about the UK is the bitterness revealed in online commentary, whether that be in forums generally or comments accompanying news items. The anger, bitterness and envy are palpable and not a sign that people are anything approaching contentment. Some might claim that only the angry and bitter bother to post online. But the sheer extent of it persuades me otherwise. So many Brits are seething with anger and in my opinion, they try to vent it online. Either way, for so many to feel that way is good indication that the UK is something of a volcano with all that dissatisfaction due to erupt soon. And let's be honest, if things were even half-good in the UK, there wouldn't be so many Brits trying to get out and coming to Australia, for example So I've had to accept my lot and must settle now for a Britain which exists only in my Midsomer Murders DVDs. I realise that with all its faults, Australia is at least as clean and safe as any part of the UK which we could afford, with the advantage of space, sun, warmth and a more contented people generally. I refuse to allow myself any more self-pity (hopefully). After all, Australia's paradise compared to so many places on earth and I'm learning to be grateful for what I have here

I don't get it. Years ago, migrants took pot luck in many ways as to how things would be in Oz. But with all the resources available now, couldn't you have worked out the Australian cost of living from the comfort of your home in the UK? There's Domain.com.au and Realestate.com.au and a dozen other site which show the cost of housing across Australia. And any of the Oz bank sites show the size of mortgage payments. It can all be worked out from the comfort of your living room back home at no risk. Aussie food prices, clothing, cars, holidays, utilities, all of it is online for free Makes me wonder about Poms. Do they suspend rational thinking so they can get all excited as to what Australia will be like and cost? Do they get carried away with their fantasies and ignore reality, like children getting excited about going to Disneyland? Do they tell themselves it will always be greener on the other side of the fence? Do they tell themselves if they ignore the facts, life in Australia will 'just have to' conform with their dreams and wishful thinking? I've defended the UK and Poms all up and down this forum, but sometimes Poms are their own worst enemies

As a child, being wrenched from family and school-friends to come to Australia, was hard to cope with Once in Australia, our parents were always seeking greener grass. So more moves, more friends lost, more having to make new friends and get used to new (not necessarily better) places Siblings and I spent hours discussing why our parents were the way they were, did the things they did. We decided they were narcissists. It was all about them, their wants and fantasies took priority above everything else Children have to pretend they're coping when their parents move them somewhere new. Perceptive parents would work out how hard they're making their kids' lives, but selfish parents expect their kids to tough it out and adjust. Very often, those parents had stable backgrounds themselves Like my siblings, I left home early. We were sick of being dragged along in what felt like a travelling circus. Then, our parents claimed that by leaving home, we'd 'broken up the family'. My father admitted he 'just hadn't noticed time passing' and had been taken by surprise when my siblings and I left home. Of course he hadn't noticed. He and my mother were always chasing the dream, from here to there and back again Those who can't settle have problems of their own. Until they resolve their own problems, they shouldn't drag kids into the mix. Maybe they should remain childless. Those who already have children should accept their responsibility to provide a stable environment for their children. Damage caused by repeated moving around cannot be fixed later Needless to say, along with my siblings, I did all in my power to provide my own children with stability and continuity. And it was appreciated. They're free now to join the wanderlust club as adults, but it's not the option they've chosen Some parents behave as if they've never heard the adage: ' A rolling stone gathers no moss'

Why would I be 'banned' for posting the truth ? The truth as reported in the mainstream Australian media ? Does this forum 'ban' the truth ? If so, why ? There were page after page of people in this thread claiming Australians are 'ignorant', are 'racist', are 'uneducated', are 'untravelled' Page after page. And they weren't banned I see So it's ok with this site to defame Australians, but it's not ok with this site to present the truth, the opposite side of the coin ? Why would that be, do you think ? It's ok to describe Aussies in this forum as ignorant, disgusting, racists ? But it's not ok to show -- from impeccable sources -- the reasons Australians have for viewing 3rd world migrants with caution, with reserve ? Are you suggesting this site is biased in favour of untruths ? Don't you believe people reading this site are entitled to know the facts, the clear facts ? But then again, anyone with any intelligence would begin to put 2 and 2 together, wouldn't they ? And they'd wonder about this one-sided presentation of the situation, because it doesn't make sense, does it -- that Aussies would be 'racist' and 'ignorant' etc. --- yet half the world wants to COME to Australia. Which implies very strongly that Aussies are being misrepresented. So I've brought balance to the situation And as you and millions of Aussies well know --- I haven't even revealed the uppermost tip of the iceberg here, as regards problems confronting ALL those who live in Australia as result of the disproportionate 3rd world migrant intake After all, for those interested, there's a Youtube presentation of Australia's former Prime Minister, demanding that 3rd world migrants to Australia abide by Australian laws and conform with Australian culture -- or get out. And this was echoed in virtually identical comments by ex-Treasurer, Peter Costello. And it's all available online Anyway, the truth will out, one way or another. If they ban me, so be it. I didn't post information for my own edification -- I already live here - I've already experienced it - I know it from first hand experience. But there are those who're going to sell their homes in the UK and elsewhere -- who're going to burn their bridges -- who're going to embark on the risk of a lifetime by bringing their families to Australia. And it's only fair they know before they set out on that journey that's it's not Aussies they need worry about, or Aussie 'racism', although it does exist and I felt its sting as a kid for speaking in my Pommy accent and for having Pommy red cheeks and for wearing 'soppy Pommy shoes' and having ' a stupid Pommy school satchel' etc. So sure, there's a reluctance on the part of some, even many in the Australian population, who resent newcomers who're a risk to to their jobs. But Aussies won't bash and rape you just because you're white. Others will, but they won't be Aussies. So best people know that the same problems driving them out of the UK -- will be right here waiting for them when they get off the plane in Oz. People need to know that and to know it's not Disneyland here in Oz. Never was. Jobs have always been scarce here, and it's expensive. They need to know so they can make decisions with their eyes open. And painting Aussies falsely as 'ignorant, uneducated racists' as a way of papering over the very real problems, is cowardly and wrong and I won't be part of it, ban threats or not See you Pablo

Four Pakistani Brothers Gang Rape Young White Girls in Sydney Youtube Mainstream media news report Tell me when I post a report of Aussies raping minorities, won't you ? Because this is a thread supposedly about 'Aussie racists ' Instead, we're seeing that Aussies are the VICTIMS Victims of those so generously allowed into our country

Youtube title 'Another Sexual Assualt by Muslim' Mainstream media report http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MJXEXzB-JA He attacked 6 women and a 13 year old girl ONE MONTH after arriving in Australia Now listen to the joke of a sentence and the EXCUSES made on the rapist's behalf

Lebanese Car Hoons in Sydney Mainstream media on Youtube ' Lebanese Car Hoons in Sydney' These are 3rd and 4th generation Lebanese, not recent migrants, incidentally No respect for the law No respect for the host population or religious celebrations of the host population No respect for the poor people who own homes and businesses But you'd better respect THEIR claimed religion

Indian Student charged with murders of Indian brothers Australia Youtube: Mainstream media, not rumour All these crimes were of course, blamed initially upon supposedly 'racist Australians' Crime figures have exploded commensurate with immigration numbers Would be no surprise, would it, if Australians reacted by becoming wary of 3rd world migrants

More from the mainstream media You need to listen to this one It highlights that Indian government blames Aussies for 'racist attacks' at the slightest opportunity and with increasing frequency Yet time and again, it's shown that Aussies had nothing to do with it. Nothing So listen to this. An Indian claiming he was set alight in a 'racist attack'. Yet subsequent investigations and a confession finally from the Indian revealed he set himself alight in order to perpetrate insurance fraud Youtube: Indian man burned in racist attack in Australia: Fraud http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBjnPHmGbrQ&NR=1

Mainstream media here reporting how an Indian killed an Aussie before fleeing back to India after swapping passports with another Indian Youtube: INDIAN STUDENT KILLS INNOCENT AUSTRALIAN TEENAGER