Is this corbyn Waterloo?

The major problem we are facing is an aging population.

 

This is putting pressure on health, on pensions, and we don't have enough young people to support the old.

 

Governments have gone for an easy fix with immigration, except for Japan who decided to just lose the last two decades. Both ideas have worked pretty well so far, not.

 

Rather than address the problem now, our government are afraid of old people, so they have just slung more burden on the young.

 

We need means tests on pensions and health just as Australia has. I don't care if you paid NI contributions all your life. You obviously didn't pay enough.

 

We need a sustainable and controlled level of immigration to balance the books. Those who talk of tens of thousands are in cloud cookoo land.

 

We need to address the infrastructure in places where the migrants choose to live, which are often poor and already underfunded.

 

We need to invest in the young, especially in places where migrants choose to live, which are already poor ...

 

We need to retain our links to the EU. But, we need to give ourselves opportunity to look.and compete elsewhere.

 

We need to invest realistically in our armed forces and not politically. We don't need trident. If we do it should be a NATO initiative. Why should we spend such a large portion of our military budget on something which gives no pay back. Trident won't protect our borders from Isis when we leave the EU.

 

And we need to stop foreign aid and spend it internally.

 

There you go jezza, free for you to start with.

 

But he will never do it because the guy is a dick.

Edited January 15, 2017 by newjez

Based on NI numbers, the last full year of figures, we had about 830,000 people arrive. About the population of Liverpool. In one year. did we build the dozen or so hospitals that Liverpool has? Did we train all the extra staff that Liverpool has - on top of requirement? Of course not. We could not keep up with that.

 

And these do not include those that do not bother with NI - think all those car washes charging £10 have staff paying tax and NI. Of course not. The actual figure is probably twice or three times. That is London over 3 years.

 

For those that have argued against Brexit, this alone should be a silencer.

 

Net migration for 2015 was approx 335,000,(ONS), but this includes overseas students which are not recorded seperately and could be as many as 125,000, nor does it identify seasonal agricultural workers who predominately come for 6-8 months and leave, these maybe as many as 50,000, the true longer term fig is below 150,000 and no one knows how many of those are short term of perhaps 1-5 years but they tend to be young and fit and make few demands on public services.

 

If you go to a UK hospital they are jam packed with the elderly, age 60 plus with beds taken up for weeks by the old and frail with no where to go because there are no nursing home places for them so they tie up hospital beds for weeks until a nursing home is found for them or they die, this govt is idealogically opposed to the NHS and building and supporting proper care for its citizens whether they be young or old. In their world if you cannot pay then you are simply superfluous and they do not need to invest in you.

Edited January 15, 2017 by BacktoDemocracy

The major problem we are facing is an aging population.

 

This is putting pressure on health, on pensions, and we don't have enough young people to support the old.

 

Governments have gone for an easy fix with immigration, except for Japan who decided to just lose the last two decades. Both ideas have worked pretty well so far, not.

 

Rather than address the problem now, our government are afraid of old people, so they have just slung more burden on the young.

 

We need means tests on pensions and health just as Australia has. I don't care if you paid NI contributions all your life. You obviously didn't pay enough.

 

We need a sustainable and controlled level of immigration to balance the books. Those who talk of tens of thousands are in cloud cookoo land.

 

We need to address the infrastructure in places where the migrants choose to live, which are often poor and already underfunded.

 

We need to invest in the young, especially in places where migrants choose to live, which are already poor ...

 

We need to retain our links to the EU. But, we need to give ourselves opportunity to look.and compete elsewhere.

 

We need to invest realistically in our armed forces and not politically. We don't need trident. If we do it should be a NATO initiative. Why should we spend such a large portion of our military budget on something which gives no pay back. Trident won't protect our borders from Isis when we leave the EU.

 

And we need to stop foreign aid and spend it internally.

 

There you go jezza, free for you to start with.

 

But he will never do it because the guy is a dick.

 

I agree on the whole except foreign aid which is going to help keep people rooted in their own countries as the effects of climate change wrecks countries and swells the numbers moving away from equatorial countries which Priti Patel seems not to have the brains to understand or maybe she's just playing to the gutter right wing press.

The pixie Corbyn is stuck in some wondrous la la land where you don’t have to get down and dirty in order to win power, principals are all well and good but they don't put you in power and without power the other side can do what they want and they are and thhey are destroying everything that was won by the working man by their sacrifices in 2 world wars.

Global warning also makes some places better- perhaps those cold countries which are now able to grow crops should be taking in more people.

Global warning also makes some places better- perhaps those cold countries which are now able to grow crops should be taking in more people.

you don't need to move the people, you just need to move the food. Trouble is, a lot of the places that will need food won't be able to afford it. Like during the Irish famine, Ireland continued to export food, because the starving people couldn't afford the food it was exporting.

 

This is an interesting read

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_and_agriculture

Edited January 15, 2017 by newjez

I agree on the whole except foreign aid which is going to help keep people rooted in their own countries as the effects of climate change wrecks countries and swells the numbers moving away from equatorial countries which Priti Patel seems not to have the brains to understand or maybe she's just playing to the gutter right wing press.

The pixie Corbyn is stuck in some wondrous la la land where you don’t have to get down and dirty in order to win power, principals are all well and good but they don't put you in power and without power the other side can do what they want and they are and thhey are destroying everything that was won by the working man by their sacrifices in 2 world wars.

foreign aid would be a vote winner though, even if only for a year and then review it. But people don't seem to understand that immigration was the solution. Maybe it was a bitter pill, but even so, take it away and the disease remains. This isn't about brexit. Brexit just decides where the immigration comes from. If we don't solve the aging population problem with immigration, then we have a choice between higher contribution, either through tax or fees, or a lower service which will eventually fail and people will be forced to go private. I don't know why people don't seem to understand that it is not immigration that is causing the healthcare to fail. Healthcare is failing. Immigration was the solution. Without immigration, you still have a failing health care system because you have an aging population.

 

Just dumbfounds me that people don't get it.

The ageing population is a defunct argument. As robotics takes over, we are faced not with a ageing population problem but what to do with a population no longer needed.

 

We we are within a few years of driverless vehicles. Think of the hundreds of thousands that will mean are no longer needed. Everything from taxi drivers to truck drivers.

 

The he age of the population in such an economy is irrelevant. It is how we use the benefit from it to the people.

The ageing population is a defunct argument. As robotics takes over, we are faced not with a ageing population problem but what to do with a population no longer needed.

 

We we are within a few years of driverless vehicles. Think of the hundreds of thousands that will mean are no longer needed. Everything from taxi drivers to truck drivers.

 

The he age of the population in such an economy is irrelevant. It is how we use the benefit from it to the people.

that is a different problem. It doesn't negate the original problem. Although in fact robotics is neither here nor there. People have been saying the human race will be redundant for donkeys years. We'll just go to four, three, two day weeks.

They used to say everyone would have just a 3 day week 20 years ago. How wrong were they because now everyone is working longer hours with fewer break times. Lunch hours are ( if they exist at all) now 30 mins tops and no other breaks at all. No one comes home at 5 pm anymore- it is 6pm or later. Guess it is a form of population control when people start popping off with heart attacks. If people die on the job then we don't have to worry about pensions anymore. Method in the madness?

They used to say everyone would have just a 3 day week 20 years ago. How wrong were they because now everyone is working longer hours with fewer break times. Lunch hours are ( if they exist at all) now 30 mins tops and no other breaks at all. No one comes home at 5 pm anymore- it is 6pm or later. Guess it is a form of population control when people start popping off with heart attacks. If people die on the job then we don't have to worry about pensions anymore. Method in the madness?

it does seem to be at cross purposes. On the one hand they tell me I can't retire till I'm 68. On the other, they say a robot will do my job. Which is it?

 

But the real problem is health and the aging population unless they are building robot doctors.

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Whether immigration is a good or bad thing is irrelevant, Labour have to try to somehow claw back the massive lead the Tories have, they won't do it by promoting immigration that's for sure.

 

Whether immigration is a good or bad thing is irrelevant, Labour have to try to somehow claw back the massive lead the Tories have, they won't do it by promoting immigration that's for sure.

or landrights for transgender Syrian Wales. They have to appeal to the working heart of Britain. They need Corbyn in I'm a celebrity big brother.