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      Quote Originally Posted by newjez View Post
      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...new-technical/


      170 million sounds like a lot, but really? To educate British people to replace the 300,000 immigrants? 170 million? It's a piss in the ocean.
      Duhhhh, they can't recruit enough maths teachers for the present schools, so we are going back to the 1950's, Grammar schools for the brightest and good old technical schools for the slightly thick but might make a good foreman or milling machine operator.
      I suppose we could mount a worldwide recruitment drive for maths graduates on 417 visas to teach in them for 5 years and pretend they not immigrants and pay them a premium because they're only here for 5 years and they can bring their families with them.
      If the politicians would stop pissing about with the education system every time a a new minister gets appointed then maybe we would be out in front like Finland or Germany but they all think they know better than any teacher.
      Theresa May is an idiot, Grammar schools and Technical colleges, all the failed policies from the 50's, 60's and 70s, rehashed and served up luke warm as marvellous new ideas, give us a break and remember that some of us have lived thro this rubbish before and know its all about sorting out the winners at the Grammar and those who are going to do the real grunt work.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Gbye grey sky View Post
      How on earth can it have escaped your attention that Trump is actually a standard-bearer for the wealthy elite. He is filling his cabinet with billionnaires and bankers who are hardly going to derail the gravy train - quite the reverse, they will throw it into overdrive. The cult status that Trump has nurtured amongst the simple-minded folk of America who voted for him in their millions have blinded most of them to reality.

      He is carefully denigrating and undermining the integrity of anyone or any organisation that reports his transgressions. Whether he can create a Kremlin-style oligarchy in the USA is open to question but he is employing classic divide and rule tactics in an attempt to do just that.

      His vague promises and aims are largely doomed to fail but expect him to blame his 'enemies' rather than many of his ill-thought through or just plain crackpot schemes.
      That just about encapsulates it, how long before he is taking the path of Putin and Erdogan and doing away with limitations on the terms he can serve.

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      [QUOTE=VERYSTORMY;1937023686]What choice did people have?

      A more of the same with a member of the system that has seen their living standards fall. Their options and opportunities decrease. Their income decrease.

      Or something different. It might not work, but heck, voting the other way was suicide for many.

      The reality you mention is not perfect, but it at least acknowledges global free trade is a disaster for the average person. Obama and his anointed successor still can not see that. They thing the mantra of wealth trickles down is still viable, even after every piece of evidence is the opposite. Obama, like regular politicians in most other countries has been a total disaster. People say look at the unemployment is so low. But knock off the "none jobs" - the minimum wage, the zero hour contract, the people doing a shift here and there and it is horrendous.

      People deride protectionism, but when you look at the people who do, it is those who make the most from exploiting other quote



      Once you start to accept that as a premise for action then you are signing away your liberty and democracy, as has been said innumerable times, democracy is an imperfect system with many drawbacks but compared with other systems of government it has the least.
      Once democracy has gone it is a right which is very difficult to re-establish and usually requires blood to be sacrificed, don't think Chile or Gambia can't happen here or in the US.
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      Quote Originally Posted by VERYSTORMY View Post
      But, Corbyn and Bernie are not real choices. Vague policies, uncosted with no concept of budgets. In the case of Corbyn, we are still not even sure where he stands on the EU.

      But, it is academic. The vast majority of Americans did not have a Trump / Bernie choice. They had a Trump / Clinton choice. For those sitting in a two room rental with a family wondering how they lost their family home, that is a pretty simple choice.
      in contrast to the rock solid economics of Trump and may. You jest surely?

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      Quote Originally Posted by amibovered View Post
      did you read what I said? obviously not, so I'll repeat what I said " it'll hurt" but we'll be better off with collateral damage, rather than in the eye of the storm.
      it'll make sod all difference, and as everyone on here seems to be basking in the job of it all, you all seem to think us leaving is the cause of the EU destruction. So I assume that means if we stayed it wouldn't have fallen apart and there would be no fallout? You can't have it both ways.

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      Quote Originally Posted by bunbury61 View Post
      Lets just wait and see shall we !
      He has already stopped businesses moving to Mexico .
      And what vague promises are those by the way ?
      His inauguration speech laid it out ...hardly vague .
      Obama was vague ...standing in the main sq in Prague promising an end to nuclear weapons ...THEN SPENDING MORE ON THEM.THAN ANY OTHER U.S PRESIDENT .
      AND DEPORTING MORE HISPANICS THAN ANY OTHER U.S PRESIDENT .😃

      But you just don't hear that in the media do you..
      What did he actually promise to deliver? What would be the measurements of his success or failure ? You have totally fallen for the moronic bullshit and bought into this crazy cult.

      Building a wall on the Mexico border for one. Totally uncosted and unrealistic. Mexico will not pay but even if he introduces swingeing tarifs on goods the US would have to pay for the thing to actually get built first. His own back of fag packet calculations have varied wildly depending on how stupid or gullible his particular audience is. This is his flagship policy but is doomed to failure.

      "Make America Great Again". I haven't seen a single target or measurement that would indicate he achieved or failed in this endeavour.

      Create millions of jobs. No targets. What unemployment rate is he after and will he achieve that solely by create jobs or deportation?

      Who will he deport? Latinos currently in jail only or will he expect the police to trump up (pun intended) charges against all Mexicans and other nationalities in order to deport them?

      A national register of Muslims (for crissake) in flagrant breach of the constitution and a block on any muslim entering the country.

      Repealing the Affordable Care Act will be easy but replacing it will take years to achieve if ever. So millions will lose access to healthcare. Presumably you would be delighted if the NHS refused to treat you unless you paid.
      Timeline: 309/100 Sent 7/8/13, Money Taken 9/8/13, CO appointed 3/9/13. Med 3/12/13. Police check 4/12/13. VISA GRANTED 8/4/14, Subclass100. Recce August 2014. Arrived 30 July 2015.

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      Quote Originally Posted by newjez View Post
      it'll make sod all difference, and as everyone on here seems to be basking in the job of it all, you all seem to think us leaving is the cause of the EU destruction. So I assume that means if we stayed it wouldn't have fallen apart and there would be no fallout? You can't have it both ways.
      Who said us leaving will be the cause of EU destruction? not me.
      Last edited by amibovered; Yesterday at 10:05 PM.
      You are probably on my ignore list.

     

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