Suburb demography in Melbourne

Hi members,

I need to know how the suburbs are distributed in Melbourne - for example, I am looking forward to know where do most of Pakistanis live - the same for Chinese, Indians and Australians.

Many thanks for your help

Ummmm all those people could be Australian you know...

Hi members,

I need to know how the suburbs are distributed in Melbourne - for example, I am looking forward to know where do most of Pakistanis live - the same for Chinese, Indians and Australians.

 

Many thanks for your help

Let me guess, you're opening a restaurant specialising in Irish Breakfasts?

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This map may help: it shows the top 3 immigrant populations for each suburb in Melbourne and the percentages of each.

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/map/where-australias-immigrants-were-born-melbourne

The map above is the way to go. The latest from the last census this year though, will probably be a good year away with updating.

The map above is the way to go. The latest from the last census this year though, will probably be a good year away with updating.

Although it's a simplistic view as an ethnic group can be much more prominent in an area than this suggests - 2nd & 3rd generation are Australians not migrants but culturally may still identify with the family.

I was surprised to see where we lived that the greatest number of migrants were English as it was a strongly Italian area, I think there probably are far more 'Italian' families but the generation that moved there after the war are passing on & there offspring are classed as Australia but still speak Italian (as well as English)and follow traditions such as blessing of the fleet.

Start by looking at the high rating schools. There have always been areas that are associated with different cultures. Pakistani is not one them there are not so many people from Pakistan as from India here hence the difference in our curries.

However as has been said once the children are born here they are Aussies and so its not like it was when we had mass migration. For example my friend's son is married to a Japanese girl, her niece is married to a Korean, her nephew is married to an American etc. So they are just Australian.

Although it's a simplistic view as an ethnic group can be much more prominent in an area than this suggests - 2nd & 3rd generation are Australians not migrants but culturally may still identify with the family.

 

I was surprised to see where we lived that the greatest number of migrants were English as it was a strongly Italian area, I think there probably are far more 'Italian' families but the generation that moved there after the war are passing on & there offspring are classed as Australia but still speak Italian (as well as English)and follow traditions such as blessing of the fleet.

Looking at my suburb, the top group is Indians and I see no Indian restaurants or shops here. The area is mainly Asian restaurants, with the odd western fast food joint, aside from the obvious coffee shops. I do see Indian people walking around, but the majority would be Chinese(or Asian if you want to group together).

Although it's a simplistic view as an ethnic group can be much more prominent in an area than this suggests - 2nd & 3rd generation are Australians not migrants but culturally may still identify with the family.

 

I was surprised to see where we lived that the greatest number of migrants were English as it was a strongly Italian area, I think there probably are far more 'Italian' families but the generation that moved there after the war are passing on & there offspring are classed as Australia but still speak Italian (as well as English)and follow traditions such as blessing of the fleet.

That is true. But hard to define, just how much of the cultural background remains with regards to Australian born. So many with an Italian background I've come across, either speak a dialect very badly, or not at all. I guess it goes back to the time when it wasn't cool to be standing out as a migrant by speaking another language. Let's hope those days never return.

That is true. But hard to define, just how much of the cultural background remains with regards to Australian born. So many with an Italian background I've come across, either speak a dialect very badly, or not at all. I guess it goes back to the time when it wasn't cool to be standing out as a migrant by speaking another language. Let's hope those days never return.

Oddly I see another type, the young Asian whose English is very poor. I can understand people that came many years back, whether Asian or European, who would have never had to complete the IELTS test, but wonder how these younger people managed to get PR/citizenship for Australia.

Oddly I see another type, the young Asian whose English is very poor. I can understand people that came many years back, whether Asian or European, who would have never had to complete the IELTS test, but wonder how these younger people managed to get PR/citizenship for Australia.

457's are went on to stay or came here to study and stayed on. There has been a considerable amount of discussion with regards English levels and uni's.

457's are went on to stay or came here to study and stayed on. There has been a considerable amount of discussion with regards English levels and uni's.

Ah OK, makes more sense now. I did think/thought coming on a 457 visa and if English was not your first language you would still have to sit and pass the IELTS test. Not looked this up just an assumption. Sorry being lazy

Looking at my suburb, the top group is Indians and I see no Indian restaurants or shops here. The area is mainly Asian restaurants, with the odd western fast food joint, aside from the obvious coffee shops. I do see Indian people walking around, but the majority would be Chinese(or Asian if you want to group together).

So I would assume that means they are relatively recent arrivals under the skilled migrant scheme and therefore working as builders, accountants, nurses etc etc rather than opening shops and restaurants.

I can only speculate on the OP's reason for asking but as a new skilled migrant they simply want to meet people with a similar background in which case the maps may help but if they are looking for shops, restaurants, places of worship etc then more research is needed.

Ah OK, makes more sense now. I did think/thought coming on a 457 visa and if English was not your first language you would still have to sit and pass the IELTS test. Not looked this up just an assumption. Sorry being lazy

A fair point. There are so many assumptions around the 457 issue and earnings and the like. Most got the wrong end of the stick, thinking such visa's were filling in a market shortage for one thing. Most not even market tested. The entire process is a farce and needs to be hauled in and reduced greatly in number. It has the potential to do great damage to social cohesion within Australia, to say the least.

One of a few 'issues' that require scrutiny I'm afraid.

A fair point. There are so many assumptions around the 457 issue and earnings and the like. Most got the wrong end of the stick, thinking such visa's were filling in a market shortage for one thing. Most not even market tested. The entire process is a farce and needs to be hauled in and reduced greatly in number. It has the potential to do great damage to social cohesion within Australia, to say the least.

One of a few 'issues' that require scrutiny I'm afraid.

Discussion on radio yesterday about the 457 farce

Discussion on radio yesterday about the 457 farce

I didn't hear it but over the moon it has come into public light. It wasn't too long ago supporters of the farce, blamed it as a union ploy in order to discredit opposition to an obviously anti worker scheme. The expansion of the Backpacker scheme to 35 years isn't much better IMO, but not quite along the same lines, but equally open to abuse by employers.

So I would assume that means they are relatively recent arrivals under the skilled migrant scheme and therefore working as builders, accountants, nurses etc etc rather than opening shops and restaurants.

 

I can only speculate on the OP's reason for asking but as a new skilled migrant they simply want to meet people with a similar background in which case the maps may help but if they are looking for shops, restaurants, places of worship etc then more research is needed.

Sorry your post makes no sense. Most if not the majority of Indian workers I know come over doing IT related work. I work for a software vendor and deal with tons of these guys. Also see tons driving taxis for a living as they cannot find any work.

The suburb I am in is heavily Asian dominated, and that is confirmed from the people I see walking around and frequenting the shops/restaurants. I could count the amount of Indians I see here, my suburb, on a daily basis on 2 hands, maybe 3 at a push. Actually will change that, as the majority in the suburb are all working at woolworths.

A fair point. There are so many assumptions around the 457 issue and earnings and the like. Most got the wrong end of the stick, thinking such visa's were filling in a market shortage for one thing. Most not even market tested. The entire process is a farce and needs to be hauled in and reduced greatly in number. It has the potential to do great damage to social cohesion within Australia, to say the least.

One of a few 'issues' that require scrutiny I'm afraid.

Agreed, it is great when you want to move to Australia but the job market here is now saturated with locals struggling to find work. The SOL does really need to be reviewed as Australia has not geared up for immigration, and the cracks are starting to show. The damage is already done, locals are pissed with it and they want it reviewed.

Sorry your post makes no sense. Most if not the majority of Indian workers I know come over doing IT related work. I work for a software vendor and deal with tons of these guys. Also see tons driving taxis for a living as they cannot find any work.

 

The suburb I am in is heavily Asian dominated, and that is confirmed from the people I see walking around and frequenting the shops/restaurants. I could count the amount of Indians I see here, my suburb, on a daily basis on 2 hands, maybe 3 at a push. Actually will change that, as the majority in the suburb are all working at woolworths.

What I was saying is country of birth and culture are not the same thing so simply looking at the statistics for country of birth doesn't give the full picture as 2nd/3rd generation migrants are Australian so established suburbs may have a large number of peopme

from a particular ethnic background without the statistics showing that.

The vast majority of suburbs in Perth are statistically 'English' but culturally that is not my experience, there are areas that are Italian, Croatian, Greek, German - the original migrants moved in the 1950's and most are long gone.

You mention Indians specifically and that's a bit different as 'white Australia' policies mean that most migrants from India are relatively recent and first generation migrants are still there, this is predominately skilled migration though. I was speculating that skilled migrants do skilled jobs rather than opening food stores and restaurants in response to another post that said the migrants in a particular suburb were predominantly Indian but that wasn't reflected in the shops and restaurants.

That's not to say all migrants are able to gain skilled employment straight away. I also work in software development and know too well the problems faced by migrants and the number of highly qualified migrant taxi drivers. That's a whole new topic in itself but it is in part to the rather generic skills assessments that allow more migrants with certain skills than are actually needed and the fact the SOL is months if not years out of date. Perhaps more controversially that whilst at legislation level 'white Australia' policies have ended but discrimination is still wide spread and some genuine skill deficits in those coming from India - communication skills being an obvious one (the level of English IELTS requires is nowhere good enough for anything but purely technical roles & ironically those purely technical roles are predominantly done offshore in places like India these days)

My last team in Perth was maybe 80% Indian but they were all on 457 visas - I worked for a large British Telco and they did not want or need that number of permanent employees - I was a contractor, my manager was on a 457 from the UK but the majority of the team were from a Indian company who were a 'supplier'. So whilst skilled migrants are driving taxis more temporary migrants are being brought in - crazy.

IT is a very specific field though and not relevant to the OP.

Never met anyone from Pakistan here so I would say there are very few in Melbourne. Lots of Indians and Chinese and people of Anglo-Irish background.

Agreed, it is great when you want to move to Australia but the job market here is now saturated with locals struggling to find work. The SOL does really need to be reviewed as Australia has not geared up for immigration, and the cracks are starting to show. The damage is already done, locals are pissed with it and they want it reviewed.

The problems being a massive current of resentment against foreigners grows into a force of political reckoning. We do not want nor need a country of citizen turning against citizen due to colour, birth place, race, religion.

This is why it is so dangerous to continue the present policy of a Big Australia, regardless of sentiment, in a world where increasingly more are locked out of the housing market, a scarce job market, where employers appear increasing preferring to employ from abroad, rather than train locals, multi nationals ripping of the nation's wealth to so forth.

The anger has been clearly expressed abroad and Australia clearly needs to take heed as living standards slip.

Never met anyone from Pakistan here so I would say there are very few in Melbourne. Lots of Indians and Chinese and people of Anglo-Irish background.

Pakistani born had one of the highest per cent terms population increases between the 06 and 11 census. A rise of 78%. There were close to 10,000 living in Victoria, so hardly in number, that you would be falling over them, but all the same an obvious ethnicity in the making.

The total population was over 30,000 in Australia, but expect that increased by at least three quarters from 11. In WA we have around 3,000 and have crossed paths with a few.

What I was saying is country of birth and culture are not the same thing so simply looking at the statistics for country of birth doesn't give the full picture as 2nd/3rd generation migrants are Australian so established suburbs may have a large number of peopme

from a particular ethnic background without the statistics showing that.

 

The vast majority of suburbs in Perth are statistically 'English' but culturally that is not my experience, there are areas that are Italian, Croatian, Greek, German - the original migrants moved in the 1950's and most are long gone.

 

You mention Indians specifically and that's a bit different as 'white Australia' policies mean that most migrants from India are relatively recent and first generation migrants are still there, this is predominately skilled migration though. I was speculating that skilled migrants do skilled jobs rather than opening food stores and restaurants in response to another post that said the migrants in a particular suburb were predominantly Indian but that wasn't reflected in the shops and restaurants.

 

That's not to say all migrants are able to gain skilled employment straight away. I also work in software development and know too well the problems faced by migrants and the number of highly qualified migrant taxi drivers. That's a whole new topic in itself but it is in part to the rather generic skills assessments that allow more migrants with certain skills than are actually needed and the fact the SOL is months if not years out of date. Perhaps more controversially that whilst at legislation level 'white Australia' policies have ended but discrimination is still wide spread and some genuine skill deficits in those coming from India - communication skills being an obvious one (the level of English IELTS requires is nowhere good enough for anything but purely technical roles & ironically those purely technical roles are predominantly done offshore in places like India these days)

 

My last team in Perth was maybe 80% Indian but they were all on 457 visas - I worked for a large British Telco and they did not want or need that number of permanent employees - I was a contractor, my manager was on a 457 from the UK but the majority of the team were from a Indian company who were a 'supplier'. So whilst skilled migrants are driving taxis more temporary migrants are being brought in - crazy.

 

IT is a very specific field though and not relevant to the OP.

OK agreed and makes sense now. I mentioned Indians, as from the map provided it had Indians has the main population which I found odd as it was not my experience living here. But as I think about it more, it could well be probably be true as have been observing the area more since this post. I would still think "white Australians" are the dominant race, with Asian(Chinese and Koreans), Indians, Italians, Eastern European following. One suburb to the left of me, I see a couple of Indian stores while two suburb's to the right of me is predominately Greek.

Yes when I first came to Australia, 2002, I hardly seen anyBlack or Indian people, odd since I was coming from SE London where mass interracial culture already exists and you do not even think about it. And yes during my first visit I noticed the discrimination but this was reflected towards the Aboriginal's. Now I see it reflected towards Indians and Africans, and somewhat towards the Chinese especially I think because of the property market.

I fully agree with you, the applications I support are deployed at tier 1 telcos, and are largely supported by Indian System Integrator's, some onshore some offshore. Some of the guys are really good but the majority fall short and have this blame the vendor attitude so not to take/accept responsibility. Sometimes I wonder if the Telco really cares about the support they are hiring or just about the bottom dollar!

Reading one of the more local forums ie dominated by Australians and not expats, the 457 rort as they put it needs to be addressed. It is a shame as so many people are investing tons of money and effort in relocating on a dream of a better life only to find that the jobs they want have been offshored to there home country. For some it works it positive, for a large majority not so good

The problems being a massive current of resentment against foreigners grows into a force of political reckoning. We do not want nor need a country of citizen turning against citizen due to colour, birth place, race, religion.

This is why it is so dangerous to continue the present policy of a Big Australia, regardless of sentiment, in a world where increasingly more are locked out of the housing market, a scarce job market, where employers appear increasing preferring to employ from abroad, rather than train locals, multi nationals ripping of the nation's wealth to so forth.

The anger has been clearly expressed abroad and Australia clearly needs to take heed as living standards slip.

Completely agree. The problem with Australia is they took so long to decide on mass immigration, look at when the US embraced it. Now they cannot cope and provide the infrastructure that is now required for the population growth.

The housing market and other parts(land, business, etc) are all now on offer to foreign investors pushing the local market out, as they now cannot afford to live here. I look at auctions in my suburb, hardly any first time buyers, mainly local investors who are just looking to rent it out or foreign investors wanting to do the same or house there children here.

With Brexit and Trump, people are starting to turn against the current way politics is run. Some, hopefully, interesting times ahead here.

Another thing is the style of houses . Ours are now following the Beijing tradition of ugly square hi-rise boxes with no gardens or even balconies. No one is complaining and these overseas investors have very different aesthetic standards. If you have a traditional Aussie house with verandahs etc, hang on to it because it will become a thing of the past very soon.