Just a thought but on this forum there are so many people going through/gone through hell and high water to get a visa to get into Australia. They spend not only money and time but also invest emotionally always working towards getting the visa which will enable them to have a better lifestyle for their families.
So now consider if you were to want to come into the Uk. It seems to me you need not speak the language, nor have any qualifications and once you
get here money is thrown at you. Can anyone on this forum see a time when the British govt will put in place some of the same measures and standards that the Australian government has?
Also just to be clear I am sure that many immigrant coming into the UK are here for similar reasons as those of us who are going to Oz. I am sure that they too want to give their families a better lifestyle. But surely now is the time to put in stricter controls.How else is the UK going to become a better place?
As I said just a thought-I am in contemplation mode at present!
Mandy x
Im a teacher in the uk and girlfriend a nurse. Right now the situation is going to get much worse, in NHS people who have paid into the system getting shuffled to the back due to immigrants getting priority. Teaching with several non english speakers in a class of 30 is difficult. We need to adopt the Australian system for sure. Crime and general malaise terrible in the UK, the more people you speak to of all ages they are all saying the same things.
I hear on the radio the other day that non-English speaking patients attending the A&E Department of a certain hospital were being given priority and taken to the front of the queue. The reason for this is that the trust concerned were employing a translator and they could only afford to have them there for a certain number of hours hence the non-english speakers were seen first. Please someone tell me how on earth that can be right.Also about 8 months ago I fell and disocated my elbow (ouch) and whilst waiting for about 5 hours in casualty to be seen I witnessed several Eastern European families coming into the casualty dept simply 'cause they didn't know how to register with a GP. I cannot imagine how frustrating the staff must find this as it all takes up valuable time.
The thing is the immigrants here are going to take advantage of what they can get if it is offered to them on a plate (lets face it who wouldn't?) and so the real issue is that we have to tighten up the entry requirements before this country gets into even more trouble but it seems to me that the majority of govenment ministers are to worried about what the rest of Europe will say if they ever dared get a bit more stringent!
Mandy x
Unfortunately it's too late to do anything about it now. A bit like shutting the gate after the horse has already bolted. That's why all us Brits are leaving. I never thought I would say it, but I can't wait to get out of this country.
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Unfortunately it's too late to do anything about it now. A bit like shutting the gate after the horse has already bolted. That's why all us Brits are leaving. I never thought I would say it, but I can't wait to get out of this country.
Hi Guys:
The Problem is that Britain is not like Oz, & not in the obvious way you may think! OK, New Zealander's & Ozzie's can shuffle fairly easily backwards & forwards between their borders, but as there's relatively few of them, they speak the same language & have much else in common this is not seen as a problem. Don't forget, we're in the EU now!!
Our particular situation here, is that UK is a part of the EU which is HUGE; massively varied in its peoples, customs, languages, traditions, etc., and the strict emigration rules that we DO have in force (say for example for folks coming from non-EU countries) can not be applied. The basic point of EU is free movement of its people's across borders, and whether that means Fred Bloggs going to live in Seville, or Madame Pompadour working in Prague, or Romanian Gypsies hanging around in Nottingham NHS A&E's, that's what happens when the Borders come down & we all unite! And wonderful politicians haven't thought the process through...?
Believe it or not, to my knowledge, the French & Spanish have precisely the same problems we have, with a huge influx of immigrants (many of them Brits) flooding their essential services. Especially in the case of Spain, where so many of us have second homes, and as such are non-residents, which can NOT be counted and included in local infrastructure plans because they are NOT permanent, tax-paying residents. However, try explaining that to people when the water dries up, electricity frizzles out, or hospital's can't cope, due to actual huge increases in populations at popular times of the year. The available services become stretched beyond breaking point & locals struggle to meet the costs which can not be met through fair taxation, because these residents are only temporary. So, we have to ask Who Does Foot The Bill?
I heard several of the questions True Emigrants to UK are asked include such rubbish as what is the name of the Welsh Parliament & how many members does it have?? What's that got to do with being a decent productive UK citizen???
It's the EU that needs sorting out really, before we dump all the blame on our Government for what is perceived to be happening only here with emigration. After all, there are probably people we'd love to have in this country, but we can't because so many Europeans get to come here first, whether we like/want them or not!
I suppose what we need are answers to this & then inundate our MP's & EMP's for solutions, just don't hold your breath... Keep on being patient with Visa Process...
Hi Guys:
that's what happens when the Borders come down & we all unite! And wonderful politicians haven't thought the process through...?
I heard several of the questions True Emigrants to UK are asked include such rubbish as what is the name of the Welsh Parliament & how many members does it have?
Politicians doing things without thinking the process through or researching things seems to be quite a common thing (HIPs and Poll Tax spring to mind). One wonders if it is because they know they will not be in power permanently and it's easier to leave it to someone else to sort out the mess or make the adjustments needed...
As for the name of the Welsh parliament, I don't know that and I was born in Britain!
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Im a teacher in the uk and girlfriend a nurse. Right now the situation is going to get much worse, in NHS people who have paid into the system getting shuffled to the back due to immigrants getting priority. Teaching with several non english speakers in a class of 30 is difficult. We need to adopt the Australian system for sure. Crime and general malaise terrible in the UK, the more people you speak to of all ages they are all saying the same things.
I work in the NHS and I dont think that statement is true.
I agree that the NHS is, and has been for the last ten years, in shambles but no political party is going to admit it. A free health service does not exist. And it is not because of the immigrants.
The health service in Australia is different, with an upfront fee and partly subsidised, rather similar to the French system. Are the British prepare to pay eg to see a GP? As an NHS staff, I will vouch that idea because that will stop a lot of unnecessary referrals, and get more cash into the system.
Please do not blame the immigrants. It is a failed prehistoric system.
Herbster! thank god.... at last a balanced perspective about immigration from the UK based mob.
An Aussie colleague said to me some years back
"You poms are complete bastards... my son wanted to go on a working holiday there for one year... had to prove sufficient funds, supply banks statements, undergo character tests, fill out huge forms, wait for ages... treated like a criminal he was"
Does this sound at all familiar?
He was amazed to discover I had to do the same for a six months holiday in Aus.
Many of the immigrants here in Aus don't speak the language well if at all. You will hear Aussies complain all the time about "bloody immigrants". They mostly aren't referring to poms, they're usually referring to more visually obvious immigrants you may be relieved to hear.
My mother lives in France... spent the first sixty odd years in the UK... So she has paid nothing into french society... is bludging off their health care system... doesn't speak the language.
She's doing exactly what many thousands of other Brits are doing throughout Europe. It's not just legal its her right, your right & their right as Europeans as I understand it? What's good for the goose is good for the gander don't you think.
Immigration brings in multiculturalism. And life in London reflects that.
I agree that immigration should be controlled, and clearly it would be great if a country 'selects' who it wishes to admit. However, that would be against EU standards.
In general, I think immigration has brought in many benefits to UK as a whole. Personally it is what Australia has to offer me and not because the 'fear' that UK is inundated with immigrants, which drives our decision to move.
Why do immigrants get priority? Or am I just being thick?
Blame it on the EU!!
